u/Proper_Cherry5225

People will do anything in order to not become socially isolated. Literally anything.

It becomes quite clear with me with time, that the more I engage with nonvegans, the more I realize most people have no principles and if slavery was normalized and 98% supported slavery, people would be defending slavery in order to not stand up against social norms. If domestic abuse was normal and people defended domestic abuse, people would be domestic abusers. If kicking dogs was a sign of status and power, and it was normal and legal, people would be kicking dogs and mocking those who choose to not kick dogs and regarding non-dog kickers as “weak”.

We are a species of skittish individuals, who will do anything in order to get social approval, no matter how immoral and cruel the act. A species of weak narcissistic bullies whose only cares are those that are in favor of their immediate selfish interests, and anything outside their small bubbles are just abstract fantasy in their minds, even if they are literally responsible for the horror outside of said bubbles. And yet, they believe themselves to be superior to other animals, when they have no “humanity”?

I just hate the word “humanity” up to this point. It is just an empty word without meaning when so many humans have no problems being cruel. Humans don’t have humanity. Humans are selfish, barbaric and cruel. We aren’t even a "sapient" species either, as most of us know after having to deal with the same bad and old excuses over and over again with this people just being incapable of thinking critically about their own biases and habits. We are mostly a dumb species, and only because a small minority of brilliant individuals like scientific inventors and human rights activists defending human rights is that we have civilized societies. If it was for the average human, we would still be living in caves killing each other for scraps.

I am ashamed of being a human. I just wish to be a jellyfish. Not having to think about anything or having to work. Only swimming, and stinging assholes.

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u/Proper_Cherry5225 — 2 days ago

Why I think there is hope despite the feeling of hopelessness

Good morning everybody, I hope you all are enjoying your weekend. I just wanted to write this in order to bring a small spark of hope among this dystopic reality we live in, and share with you some things I have learned and reflected about that can be useful to be aware of.  

There is a psychological phenomenon I learned about time ago which explained that the human brain doesn’t functionally differentiate between an opinion expressed a single time by many individuals and an individual expressing that opinion many times (1). This is why often it feels like there is a vast majority of people with an opinion but if you think about it further, many times it’s just a few people saying that repeatedly. What is my point mentioning this? That we don’t need to be in the majority in order to change the world, because people value an opinion as popular not necessarily by the amount of people who believe it, but the amount of times they hear it, for familiar it is. This is why is so important to never stop speaking up, because our influence can be huge if we choose to persist.

Did we need everybody on board in order to make slavery illegal, to end racial segregation, to give women rights, to give homosexuals rights? No. All it was needed for was a small group of principled, relentless individuals who never gave up and influenced others to change their minds. And I don’t think animal rights will be any different in this. If it feels like it is different, it is because the change in mindset also involves a change in life-long behavior, a perceived threat to their social network and the victims of oppression in this injustice cannot speak for themselves. But remember folks: difficult and impossible are not synonymous. The fact that people like us changed their minds proves this.

And I think there is more to this. We belong to a social species. If we were actually a species of narcissistic murderous psychopaths, we couldn’t have reached this far as a species without killing each other into extinction. No. People don’t refuse to accept the truth because they lack empathy. They refuse to accept the truth because either they are dishonest with themselves, or because of social pressure, which is why the more of us speak up, the better. Besides, the fact that so many nonvegans accuse us of "forcing veganism" when telling the truth, is a proof they do feel subconscious guilt, but because of social conditioning and everybody around them doing it, such guilt becomes buried or suppressed.

So if you are reading this, did activism in the past and stopped after feeling completely frustrated, tired and hopeless, I totally understand you. It can become maddening to hear the same old and dishonest excuses from cruel people over and over again, and having to deal with apologists gaslighting you into thinking you are “too aggressive”. But remember: You have justice and the truth in your side. You have no reason to doubt yourself. Animals need your heart and your voice to rescue them from the hell they are going through. You are tired of dealing with the npc excuses and you don’t want to hear them? Make some graffiti, art or write behind the seat of a bus to make animal abusers who read the message uncomfortable. You are not into any of these forms of activism? Create an anonymous account in social media, call out nonvegans for their hypocrisy and don’t bother reading the replies. You don’t want to be confrontational? Help us by educating and spreading the facts or use humor to point out inconsistencies. You don’t want to suffer ostracism from your social surroundings? Do activism with strangers.

Just please, whatever your circumstance and personality is, please speak up.  

(1)   Source: “Inferring the Popularity of an Opinion From Its Familiarity: A Repetitive Voice Can Sound Like a Chorus”. If anyone is interested to read more about this phenomenon. I read that it was called "The Chorus Effect" but I couldn't find anything that confirmed this, so any more information about it is welcomed.

 

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u/Proper_Cherry5225 — 19 days ago

How can anyone become aware of it and not become obsessed?

Anyone with experience with activism will tell you how often nonvegans accuse activists of “being obsessed with animals” and that we waste our energy with animal rights when there are so many human issues to solve.

However, the more you think about it, the harder is to NOT become obsessed with it. Think about it, not only there is a perpetual holocaust of innocent creatures who can’t speak to defend themselves, can’t escape, only want to live and have nothing but their lives for something as meaningless as taste pleasure people forget the next day, but how ubiquitous animal abuse and exploitation is, how many products involve so much torture and murder to animals and how they are just in every social gathering, so many ads with animal body parts in display everywhere, so frequently discussed the enjoyment of eating animal body parts in conversations, as if all this massacre was just nothing in their eyes, how they don’t have the image of animals being gassed to death or stabbed in the throat in their minds when eating their bodies.

No human injustice can be compared to what animals are going through, objectively speaking. Even if you still had some of human supremacy installed in your software, and claimed that human life was somehow equivalent to a certain number of animal deaths and you could back it up somehow (which they never do), that number of animal deaths has been surpassed BY FAR, when you think that if we killed humans with the same rate we kill animals for food (and only food) it would take less than one week to delete from existence all humans that have ever existed. It is insane, it is brutally insane that our species accept such scale of savagery and barbarism as something normal. Absolutely insane.

And yet, despite the scale of this massacre, we are expected to have only civilized discussions, as if holding people accountable for taking part in this was somehow worse than the action of forcing to animals into murderhouses itself. Are we this unhinged as a species? The messenger is the problem, not the mass torture and murder? How can people trying to spread awareness be the crazy ones? It is collective gaslighting, playing numbers against us to keep the status quo.  

Our societies are sick with subconscious, collective narcissism. No accountability. Sentient creatures are garbage deserving of death, and if you question it or resist it you are crazy. Why? because you are not in the perceived majority. "All of the violence is normal and everybody around me does it, so don't try to question things nor resist them or you are the crazy one. Don't make me think about my choices. If normal, things should stay this way"....

Absolute insanity. We are an unhinged species for accepting this as normal.

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u/Proper_Cherry5225 — 26 days ago
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People hate corrupt politicians… until you point them out they behave exactly like them.

Growing up, I constantly was witness about how people complained about their life situations and how unjust the world is, when people can get rich by robbing people from their worth by underpaying workers or stealing people in politician positions and increasing their own wealth, at the expense of keeping those below them into poverty….

Why is the corrupt politician so hated? Because they rejoice through the suffering and misery of others for their own personal benefit. They are so full of selfishness that they can’t give up just a tiny bit of their wealth to others not to live in a constant state of poverty. They take advantage of legal loopholes in order to behave immorally…

So you naturally grow up believing everybody is as disgusted against injustices as you… until one day, you have a consciousness shift and turn vegan. “since everybody hate injustice so much, that means that people would hate being the victimizers of an injustice, right???” oh how cute is to be blissfully ignorant instead of recognizing the ugly truth. Not only animals who have done nothing wrong to anyone are going through a perpetual holocaust for meaningless taste pleasure and gluttony from eating their dismembered body parts when none of it is necessary, but that the average person has absolutely no problems with causing it with their customer choices.

Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn't put all nonvegans in the same sack. Nonvegans who have not been exposed to the information are fair game, I hold nothing against them. Most of us were ignorant nonvegans in the past. But those who know how wrong it is, killing an innocent being against their will, just for the meaningless taste pleasure from eating their corpses just for a fleeting sensation they forget the next day, and yet they couldn’t care less for the fate of their victims disgust me, as if taste was more valuable than life.

Aware nonvegans have no right to criticize corrupt politicians, because they behave exactly like them. They take advantage of the law to exploit and send others to hell for their personal benefit, and have no issues with this, just like corrupt politicians.

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u/Proper_Cherry5225 — 29 days ago

“My dog got scared with the thunderstorm!!” *proceeds to fill her stomach with dead bodies of murdered victims.

I remember the perspective from a nonvegan when I saw vegan activists showing burnout in their faces, like if they were in a constant state of unease, and it called my attention back then.

Now the reason for that constant unease is quite clear to me… how can people recognize the truth that animals are sentient and having subjective experience, up to the point of feeling compassion for their animal pets when they get scared from the noise of thunders… and yet when you point them out how scared animals get into murderhouses they go immediately “yeah but tastes good though” “this is why people hate vegans”

And one part of me wants to believe people deep down care, that the good in them has been buried for years of social conditioning and that their hearts have become hardened for the cruelty of our world, but when so many people consistently act like this, with so much apathy, so much callousness, is that empathy truly that buried or said empathy is just not there and never was?

People constantly complain about being victims of unjust mistreatment, about how unfair this world is… and when you test how their consistency is when life puts them in the position of the victimizer, they couldn’t care less for the fate of their victims, have no problems with torture and murder on their behalf. But of course if they were in that position, they would expect you to care, and how dare you if you don’t care for people who dehumanize themselves by behaving like heartless monsters to innocent creatures, that you are a sociopath if you don't care for people who have no problems with being cruel to animals....

I will never be capable of understanding how people can be comfortable with being fake and living a lie that is comfortable. I can’t take people like this seriously, I just can’t, they look like clowns who value comfort over the truth to me, I can't respect people like this...… and yet you either are forced to relate with people like this or becoming a social pariah. It is so, so absurd.  

I wish we lived in a vegan world. I hate this reality of dishonest people.

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u/Proper_Cherry5225 — 1 month ago
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Vegans are weak snowflakes… just don’t speak up for the animals I pay to be abused and murdered on my behalf to eat their dismembered body parts, it hurts my feelings too much.

Today at work, a senior geologist who directs our operations said to me “Eat meat! Or we will have to say that we have a faggot in the team!” while all my team was laughing. I have learned to grow thick skin to mockery, and I am aware that getting angry towards jokes will make you even a bigger of a target for mockery, so I just laughed it off as it was nothing, which, to be fair, it was actually nothing for me. I have a dark sense of humor and in general it is quite hard for me to become offended, no amount of mockery will bully me out of my ethics and the respect and love I have for animals.

My employer was there shortly after, distributing chocolate candies (and like 99% of other ones of my country, were not vegan) so when he saw me rejecting them because of having cow’s breast milk chocolate, he just gasped in awe, as if was something extremely extraordinary and impossible to do in his mind. “You don’t eat chocolates either!? Oh my god!”

After finally leaving towards home, I went to a subway to eat a vegetarian sandwich (without cheese of course, one of the very few vegan options there are in my way towards home), and one of my team workers walked with me and offer me company. Despite not being vegan, he generally is a guy pleasant to be around, so I accepted it and went together. Asked for the sandwich without cheese, and he said to the seller “can I have his cheese?” naturally, I wanted to say no to that, but I knew that if I was honest, the seller would have a tantrum and actually give him the cheese. Gladly she refused to his request, and I just laughed it off as a joke.  

Arriving at home, I could finally put the armor I use off and finally allowing myself to feel disheartened… is this how people are? the ones who want kindness to animals have to be mocked and ridiculed? Why? What is this world? Are we this primitive and barbaric that people just can’t stop their addiction to violence? Why can’t they just accept the truth instead of holding on to their fragile egos? Can’t grown adults just stop behaving like damn children for once, and recognize animals don't deserve to be treated like garbage for meaningless taste pleasure?

It is hilarious for me how many times when having discussions with nonvegans and they say “how weak we are” and “can’t you see you are a snowflake?” while they literally behave just like a narcissist having a narcissistic breakdown with me for calling them out for the cruelty they cause with their choices. THEY are the ones who can’t handle reality. THEY are the weak ones who choose their comfort zones over the lives of innocent creatures. THEY are the actual snowflakes.

Thank you for your time beautiful people. I wish you all a good weekend.

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u/Proper_Cherry5225 — 1 month ago

I can’t understand how animal exploiters can’t grasp how dehumanizing corpse eating is

I think part of this has already been discussed in comments of other posts, with examples like Attack on Titan, in which how the titans have no need to eat humans and still do it out of gluttony, people immediately regard such act as monstrous.

Other contents that are even more explicit, like in the anime The Never Promiseland, which depicts very accurately that even in “humanely raised conditions” becoming a victim of murder in order to be eaten is shown for what it is: an act of absolute immorality.

And other examples of popular culture pointing this out are countless. The movie “Pan’s labyrinth” even shows a grotesque monster, with paintings of him mutilating children to eat their bodies, and anyone watching these pictures feel the discomfort of how monstrous is killing others to eat them, especially when the victim is someone as innocent as a child.    

As soon as people depict themselves as a possible victim of being eaten, they become aware of how immoral eating others is. Over and over again, popular culture illustrates this.

And yet, Corpse eaters are incapable of seeing how dehumanizing is violently mass murdering innocent creatures who can’t defend themselves to eat their body parts when none of it is necessary… the smell of blood and rotting corpses of butcheries, the barbarism and savagery that is involved in every aspect of producing these disgusting products…. I even remember the smell of rotting corpse it appears as soon as you open a meat package, shouldn’t that be a red flag that nothing good had to happen in order for us to get that? it melts my fucking brain how people can’t open their eyes to the madness of it all....

I remember two relatives of mine, a cousin of my stepfather, which said on the table “if I had to see the eyes of the animal before eating him I couldn’t do it” and a stepsister saying “If the head was attached to the meat I couldn’t eat it”. Really? Is this how disconnected people are? as soon as you have hints that what you are eating is the rotting corpse of a murdered individual on your behalf, you are incapable of not becoming disgusted by it. And yet, people refuse to accept this, they prefer to live a fantasy, a collective lie.

Maybe the tendency for herd mentality, the emotional attachment to food, and the identity we build around our habits are strong barriers for people to stop honest and rational reflection. But, is this the level of lack of self-awareness people have? That even with the truth constantly being put on their face over and over again all of this doesn’t make them to stop even if a moment to think, hey, maybe we shouldn’t be doing this?

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u/Proper_Cherry5225 — 2 months ago

Taking accountability for your actions is what mature adults do… unless it’s killing animals to eat their corpses and bodily fluids, then behaving like spoiled children is okey.

Going back towards home from work, dead bodies of murdered victims showed on the screen of the bus. At work, an investor was talking about mountain sickness and my boss told I got it because I didn’t eat “meat” (dismembered murdered animal), despite recovering soon afterwards and working perfectly fine in high altitudes after my body became accustomed.

I don’t know why so many nonvegans tell the joke of “how do you know someone is a vegan” when always people around me find it out for the words of others, not mine. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t shy away from my veganism and I speak for the victims a lot through the internet and social media, but I know how freaking irrational the average person is and I just put a wall between activism and my immediate social surroundings in order to not become insane trying to reason with fucking walls.

Still, such a wall becomes paper thin more often than not. My mother called me once “sick in the head” for becoming vegan even if at the time was quiet about it… but how could it be? Why is not wanting to hurt animals the insane position? Why is being violent towards them normal? Every time I get some sort of health issue she says to me “see? you are eating unhealthy, you should be “more balanced”, despite a lot of times those problems being solved themselves or just a change in supplementation.

Being constantly the target of jokes, relatives treating your choices as a problem… why is not willful ignorance the actual issue? Why those who inform themselves and change for the better the issue? I swear I wonder how our species could go to the fucking moon and not get it that cutting heads off to eat body parts is fucking wrong!! There are days in which I want just to scream to everybody “the hell is wrong with you?! Abusing animals for products we don’t need is grossly immoral, you are the wrong one, not me!!! And yet, our societies gaslight us into thinking we are in the wrong.

And having no one in real life to talk about this... because everybody around you are human supremacists, literally everybody… no matter how much you try to reason with them, they turn their brains off, gaslight you and scapegoat you as soon as you start to make sense.

I am so tired of people’s bullshit. So tired of being lonely and ridiculed. Very, very hard of not becoming disgusted with our species.

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u/Proper_Cherry5225 — 2 months ago

People have no problems with a holocaust as long as they get a benefit from it

I remember when I was a teenager, hearing about the Jewish holocaust and how evil it was to mass murder the innocent just for being from a different race, and that something like that should never happen ever again.

You hear it over and over again. Nazis are bad. Hitler was the devil himself. Every comparison with evil you heard your whole life involved the holocaust the nazis did to the jews… so you grow up thinking everybody is against violence towards the innocent, than torture and murder is wrong….

And suddenly, by a pathway all of us took by different means, you have a consciousness shift. Being a nazi is not frowned upon, but normal. Being violent towards the innocent is the norm. The only difference is with the victim. And if you try to wake people up to this fact, you either get mocked or become a target of insults.

But that is not even the hardest part of it. It is not the whole indoctrination of human supremacy you got since the day you were born and animals being mass murdered, that are bad enough things, but the fact that once you wake up, no one else wants to listen, they become numb and stop listening to you, like if you spoke a different language....

And one day you realize: People have no problems with being violent and causing injustices to others, as long as they have a benefit from it, and if they can get away from it.

It is beyond dystopic. It is so hard to not gaslight oneself and wanting to go back to that blissful state of ignorance, being among so much violence, so much cruelty, everyday, everywhere. But you can’t go back, you would become a holocaust supporter…

Seriously, most of days I can’t wake up without this awful feeling of something horribly wrong, and feeling completely hopeless, like if someone in order to stop a forest fire would borrow you a hose and say “go on, end the forest fire”.

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u/Proper_Cherry5225 — 2 months ago