u/RonSwanSong87

Some thoughts on "AI" and Yoga

I have shared about this in various ways here before, but in preparation for an upcoming Yoga Alliance focus group on AI and Yoga, I decided to organize some of my thoughts a bit on the topic and simply share this here for discussion, etc. This is not exhaustive and simply a starting point to expand from.

Some folks here in the past have asked "how exactly is AI antithetical to yoga philosophy / yoga?"

Here are some less than complete thoughts on the incompatibility of "AI" and yoga, framed inside of many core principles from yoga or yoga philosophy. I have combined some similar principles together in some cases. These are obviously just my own interpretations and I have not cited anything in this post - no one pays me a penny to write a cited paper (or un-cited post) on Reddit... If you would like sources / citations / links for anything, feel free to ask in the comments and I will do my best.

To me, so many of these points seem so painfully obvious that I almost didn't write some of it out for fear of "well, duh...", but I tried to be as general as possible for the sake of presenting in the information. There is a lot more expansion I could add to many of these points and I feel certain that I have missed some things, as there's always more to say. This is not normally the format (bullet points, etc) that I share in on Reddit, so please feel free to add your own and/or add to the discussion in any way you see fit.

*footnote - Many use the term "AI", but what we are actually talking about (typically) are LLMs (large language models), the tech industry that develops and sells them and those that fund them.


ahimsa (non-violence) - Highly concerning environmental impact / damage via data centers - greatly increased power & water consumption / demand on an already heavily leveraged planet, air pollution, noise pollution. There are also so, so many instances coming to light now (many of them being litigated in the form of major lawsuits) of AI/LLM-induced mass murder, suicide, psychosis / delusion and otherwise general psychological damage to society at large via methods of model sycophancy, addictive tactics of keeping users engaged with the tech and isolation / erosion of sense of reality and social connection to the actual world and other people. *A note should also be added that the major AI / tech companies have used human labor in developing / economically under developed countries to "train" their models in grueling and psychologically damaging methods that include repeatedly exposing humans to CSAM and other heavily explicit material in the process of model "training".

asteya (non-stealing) - likely the largest single IP (intellectual property) theft of the modern age. There is no getting around the fact that LLMs are trained on stolen data that essentially none of us consented to nor were compensated for and this continues to be the case. I personally think this is a foundational and crucial point for understanding the complete lack of ethics / values on display in the tech industry; however, many seem to gloss over it. There is also the point of the tremendous and insatiable appetite for greed and power from the tech industry and their financial backers. Resources of a massive scale that could be going towards much more helpful and useful things have been and are still being funneled continuously into this tech industry with hopes of collecting on their return when the times comes. The time, energy and psychological resources of society are being involuntarily stolen for the potential profit and control of the tech industry.

satya (truth), viveka (discernment), asato ma sadgamaya (lead me from the unreal to the real) - There is no concept or sense of truth or discernment in an LLM; it is simply a mathematical equation that is based on predicting what the statistically likely next character or word is (based on its training data). The training data could literally be anything and has no amount of discernment or context attached to it. LLMs do not think, they calculate based on training data...that's it. This is why you have the hilarious example from a recent post where someone said they asked an LLM "why do yoga teachers teach with their eyes closed?" only to receive an answer that stated that it was to encourage pratyahara...as if that was an acceptable and correct answer. Anyone who as ever taught even a single yoga class knows that this is incorrect and completely out of context for 98% of any asana class, but this was what apparently was most likely statistically based on its training data. It has no reliable or skilled way of interpreting which data is correct, relevant, in proper context, and ultimately useful, particularly for an experiential and embodied practice such as yoga.

Embodiment - AI / LLMs have no body. Period. There is zero frame of reference or actual context that an LLM can draw upon that is its own and isn't simply something that it scraped as "relevant" based on its training data, which is highly variable in quality. They do not move, breathe, feel or think. They are complex and extremely expensive calculators. There is no good reason to ask a calculator about embodiment, especially not at what this truly costs.

jnana (knowledge), karma (action without attachment to results / skill in action) - Continuing on the above, what does this say about the state of knowledge and what it means to truly gain / hold it if it can be conflated so easily with what these theft calculators confidently provide? Where is the sense of true learning, effort for the sake of effort without attachment to the results, learning from our own mistakes and correcting in ways that you can only do through experience and your own personal knowledge? Why are we so quick and eager to outsource this for the facade of convenience and efficiency?

brahmacharya (appropriate use of energy), aparigraha (non-grasping) maya (illusion) - this can be tied closely with the points in ahimsa regarding actual planetary energy use, but I would argue as well that so much of the individual and collective energy of society is being spent / wasted in frustration, anxiety, rage or worse with the ever present "growth" and proliferation and endless propaganda of AI into every facet of our lives. Psychologists have already termed "AI anxiety" as something prevalent enough to create a name for it in less than 3 years since public unveiling of Chat GPT. I am not a litigious person, but I think society as a whole has a case for "emotional & psychological damages" against big tech simply for this alone. The toll this takes on us daily should not be minimized and it feels like a direct opposition of living with the concept of brahmacharya. What sense of brahmacharya or aparigraha is there in using a technology that actively encourages you to use it more and more and more and is subsidized (by VC investors) to be so accessible, available and ubiquitous. Where is the sense of healthy moderation, lack of greed and taking only what we need from this AI-crazed approach? What type of illusion is being presented at large to society in the form of AI, when the reality is actually much different?

svadhyaya (study), sadhana (practice) - This feels pretty obvious, but over-reliance on a machine to "think" for us and "give us answers" actively erodes our own willingness and strength / capacity to do that for ourselves. Why would we need to earnestly study something if we can just ask the chat bot to tell us the answer? Why would we need to have our own steady and thoughtful practice if we can just download the AI sequencing app that plans our classes for us? Why should we reflect on our own experiences, struggles, studies and insights if we can just ask Chat GPT for "inspiration for class themes"? What is our role as a teacher and what are we actually "teaching" if we outsource core elements of the experience and work to a calculator?

atmavichara (self inquiry) - similar to the above, but why should we do the difficult work of self inquiry when we can ask the chat bot for the bastardized cliff notes? One of the primary methods of yoga is self inquiry with the goal of knowing yourself well enough to be able to make the right decisions in moments of both simplicity and complexity. Yoga could be thought of as the active process of self inquiry and searching for truth via discernment, clarity and embodiment, among others things. Why would we want to bypass this beautiful process of yoga simply to receive a stolen calculator answer that is mostly likely not even fully correct?

Do we really believe in these principles and want this to be represented / supported in the way we practice and teach yoga? I have a really hard time seeing the tech industry and AI / LLMs being truly inline with so much of yogic philosophy and living.

As a preemptive response to those who are pro-AI and think it is a net positive to society - do some research on the environmental impacts, the philosophical framework of the movement, psychological damages to society and the financial structure / (insanity) of the current tech industry and ask yourself: "is what we have in the form of "AI" actually worth what it is truly costing us?"

Feel free to add your own points to the conversation, as I am just one person and know I left some stuff out.

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u/RonSwanSong87 — 1 day ago

Best / favorite podcasts about yoga and teaching 2026 version

Just curious what podcasts, if any, about yoga and teaching folks here are listening to and really enjoy and value.

I know we are all going to have different preferences and perspectives, but what are your favorites and why?

Kinda feels like many of the ones I used to enjoy a lot more have either turned more and more into self promotion / content creation adverts, platforming some guests with questionable character with the goal of engagement over quality / ethics and / or have gone into philosophical directions that no longer align with me; struggling to find reliable podcasts about yoga these days in the era of increasing enshittification of content, products and services...it could also be me (as I am very picky and we are all on our own journeys that are not linear or static.)

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Some podcasts I have listened to and found lots of value in previously, but feel like they changed to varying degrees in either tone, quality or amount of adverts / self promotion.

Let's Talk Yoga - self promotion has really ramped up and longer format guest interview shows have mostly gone away. This used to be my favorite, but has changed and felt different lately with a lot less depth than it used to have.

J Brown Yoga Talks - really a mixed bag, but great when it's great with some truly amazing stories and interviews, though mostly older episodes with guest interviews - newer episodes have been the host navel gazing and wading much deeper into the Jesus / Christian territory which IDGAF about as I'm secular / agnostic and this is a yoga podcast. I have been a premium subscriber for the full back catalog episodes, some of which are amazing in terms of interviews, but newer episodes are less so.

Keen On Yoga - self promotion ramped up as well as lots more rambling solo episodes that don't often add much of substance, but guest episodes are often quite good. One of my favorites with good guests

Ancient Futures - still generally really like this one, but subject matter is really hit or miss and can be philosophically exhausting / pedantic at times, but not afraid of going deep which I enjoy.

Working In Yoga - can be interesting especially from yoga therapy perspective, but sometimes overly focused on monetization / industry stuff and zero amount of any other yoga context

The Love of Yoga Podcast - good, great even, but defunct / dead / no longer active

Clinical Corner with Leslie Kaminoff - great / awesome, but short lived and NLA and half paywalled

Yoga Well Podcast - newer to me and focused on a specific lineage / Viniyoga but has some really interesting audio versions of led practices (beyond asana) as well as discussion and philosophy.

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Some others off the top of my head that I have tried but didn't like as much / enough to stay subscribed or come back to for various reasons , (though listing here for anyone else to check out in case you aren't familiar)

Yogic Studies Podcast

Chitheads

Yogaland

Stillpoints

The Funny Thing About Yoga

Full Time Yoga Teacher Podcast

Yoga Teacher Resource

Yoga Medicine

Yoga is Dead

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u/RonSwanSong87 — 8 days ago

I listened to the Luddite episodes of Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff - very topical

This is a sister pod from CZM where Robert was the guest for this subject from a few years ago; it feels topical and an important point of reflection in modern history in relation to where we are today with this AI nonsense.

I couldn't help but wonder more about the details of how data centers are actually secured / protected and what type of, shall we say, "organized groups" might already be forming with hammers and outrage.

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u/RonSwanSong87 — 9 days ago

Not much riles me up quite like thinking about what the psychological, environmental, cultural, interpersonal / relational, financial, intellectual, (all the other "als") effects are / going to be of the chaos and madness that the tech industry has unleashed on society in the form of "AI". It offends my sense of basic and inherent humanity and intelligence in ways that nothing else ever has.

I am not going to go into any of the technical what nots about how LLMs literally cannot / do not think nor will the calculator achieve sentience like freaking Skynet, bc others already have and are much more qualified than me to do so.

I simply want to express that I think the greedy snakes that are funding, insidiously engineering and marketing these predictive tokenizer, ego inflating slot machines are true BASTARDS, and they are in the process of scamming everyone in society by introducing this "tech" in the manipulative, reckless and addictive way that they have.

There are a lot of bastards in this space and Robert has touched on some of it in adjacent stories here and there (and I don't know quite what's coming in the next part of the Spiralists...and I'm so glad we get at least this glimpse into it on the show), but I cannot wait for the day when it becomes clear and indefensible enough to have a multi-part series on these fuckers and the con they have been running on society.

*disclaimer - I am not talking about the technology itself, as there are obviously specialized use cases for research / automation purposes with qualified experts behind the wheel of the prompting (though I still have major ethical ,IP, energy and environmental concerns with the large models)...I'm talking about the tech companies and industry that has unleashed this madness for "free" (not free at all...) onto society with the goal of addicting everyone and then rolling out the IPO and payment plans to collect the return on their investment...all for what?? Who even asked for this??

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u/RonSwanSong87 — 16 days ago

The recent thread about hot Pilates surprised me a bit seeing how many yoga teachers here also teach other movement practices in addition to teaching yoga and how common / mainstreamed it has become to teach at highly hybridized studios / gyms / wherever else.

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For me personally / my perspective if that matters to you, even though I am "secular", yoga is a lifelong practice first and foremost as a student and I teach / share some of the time, but there is no real crossover there with fitness / other movement practices and I only teach yoga; I see them as pretty separate things / practices, at least practically / physically speaking. Note: I also do not attempt to pay my bills in any way by teaching yoga (intentionally), so there is no pressure to teach anything other than what I want to share, and I don't care if only a few ppl happen to show up to class / if attendance is "low".

I realize that those of you making your primary income from teaching will have different values and realities.

This not a judgement post in any way and there are no right answers. I'm genuinely just curious what the breakdown is here among active users on this sub and maybe if that has shifted in appreciable ways over time / recent years. Useful context might be including if teaching is a primary source of income for you or not (?)

Edit - if there are enough replies, maybe I will edit OP again and provide a summary breakdown of the responses just as an fyi for anyone coming across this post in the future / clarity.

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u/RonSwanSong87 — 23 days ago

Forgive the rant; I am simply a bit tired of the ~5 posts a day on average in this sub from beginner students who are (still) asking where to do a YTT in Bali...I normally just hit the report button and move on but not today, for some reason.

Becoming a teacher (of anything) should require a certain amount of actual experience in the subject(s) that you subsequently are qualified to teach. Ppl come on here (and everywhere else in the yoga world) and complain about how $hit the pay is for yoga teachers and/or how wide open and variable class and teaching quality and descriptions are, often times without having the whole conversation of how low the bar to entry is to become a "certified" yoga teacher and how, for at least the last ~6 years now, anyone can get this certification for as a little as a few hundred dollars ( I have actually seen $49 200 hr YTTs...) from their computer and technically never have to leave their house nor have any actual experience, skills, practice or actual evaluation and testing in the subject.

I know this thread will not stick around or be highly visible for very long to many of those who need to hear this beyond the next 24-48 hrs, as such is the way of internet content these days, but I have to say it:

If you do not have an established and consistent personal practice in yoga, you should not be considered qualified to teach it.

It is really unfortunate and honestly sad that the economics of the situation have normalized this and made it too accessible (IMO) with basically no vetting, true evaluation or system of mentorship / apprenticeship. Some of us have had that / sought it out / made it happen, but I think that is the exception and not the rule when it comes to the statistics of overall yoga "teachers" who are "certified".

I know this is going to come across like I'm shitting on some folks, and that is not my intention. I am not talking about those who put in their work, have a practice (and I don't necessarily mean asana) and continual self study. I honestly want yoga to be as accessible as it reasonably can be, but not at the expense of mass dilution in the form of churning out "teachers" who do not have a practice of their own or experiences from which to draw upon for what they are actually teaching, simply bc they can/want to pay for the certificate.

Everyone needs to start somewhere; I think that place should be as a student first...for a while, until you gain a solid foundation and begin to find some clarity around what you actually can teach based on your experiences and practice. A big part of this is the YTT model / industry's fault. 200 hrs training should really be called Yoga Student Training that could be taken as a pre-req in order to then apply for an actual teacher training that's focused on teaching, but that's a bit of a different topic...

I said this recently in a YTT request thread that has since been deleted and I think this gets to the heart of it: The world does not need more "yoga teachers" that are actually beginner students who still need to learn how to become students of yoga and don't have clarity on / know what they have to offer to teach.

I know this sounds kind of harsh potentially, but have you ever seen a more over-saturated, less regulated and horrendously under-paid "profession" ?

Edit: despite the tone of this post, I actually truly love and value yoga deeply, just not the yoga industry and commodification of it, which can wear on us as students / teachers who just want to share the practice earnestly and fully. Thank you (?) to the person who reported this for self harm / suicide, but that is not a place I am at in any way...I just like to ask critical questions and promote active and real conversation about yoga.

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u/RonSwanSong87 — 24 days ago

I realize this may be a bit niche and the show has covered a *little bit* of ground with this subject before, at least tangentially, with reference to The Great Oom / Pierre Bernard, akashic records custodian HPB, and fountain enema enthusiast Wim Hof, but there are **so. many. bastards** in the yoga world of the last ~150 yrs or so and some of them have done some pretty twisted shit.

Among other things, I am a skeptical / critical yoga teacher and part of my ongoing study in yoga is to research and bring some awareness to abuses of power historically within the yoga world. A year or so back, I started compiling links / sources of either alleged and/or proven abuse in a spreadsheet with names / yoga types attached to them that outlined what types of abuses have been done.

I will share the link here in OP (unless that is not allowed for some reason and I can delete). The spreadsheet is a dynamic work in progress and some sections are pending sources / links. Feel free to offer feedback on the formatting / sourcing / etc if you have any suggestions on making this resource better.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-pAxlL2_3QvUYtHCb_19t6aHqwH_ZawRH_7h4GDMf3A/edit?usp=drivesdk

You will likely see some names you may know, probably from recent documentaries, and some you might not recognize if you are not in the yoga world, but this is endemic to modern yoga and its commodified, capitalized path over the last ~100 + years. Some are bigger bastards than others, but the biggest / most impactful that come to mind IMO are - Yogi Bhajan, Bikram Choudhury, Bhagwan Rajneesh (aka "Osho"), Gregorian Bivolaru and Sadhguru.

I guess this is a bastards request (?) and/or just an FYI, shared in a place that appreciates bastards being called out.

u/RonSwanSong87 — 25 days ago