u/Rosacea3

Idrila gave THEIR eyes to Elio

Idrila gave THEIR eyes to Elio

From the Loading Screen regarding Elio,

>The leader of the Stellaron Hunters who is referred to as "Destiny's Slave."
Possesses the ability/curse to foresee future possibilities.

I) Destiny's Slave

In the book The Gods of Pegāna (Pegana is the world where Akivili is from), it can be inferred that Elio was inspired by both the Destiny God + one of the Destiny God's slaves.

Regarding the chapter Of Dorozhand (Whose Eyes Regard the End),

>Sitting above the lives of the people, and looking, doth Dorozhand see that which is to be.
The god of Destiny is Dorozhand. Upon whom have looked the eyes of Dorozhand he goeth forward to an end that naught may stay; he becometh the arrow from the bow of Dorozhand hurled forward at a mark he may not see — to the goal of Dorozhand. Beyond the thinking of men, beyond the sight of all the other gods regard the eyes of Dorozhand.
He hath chosen his slaves. And them doth the destiny-god drive onward where he will, who, knowing not whither nor even knowing why, feel only his scourge behind them or hear his cry before.
There is something that Dorozhand would fain achieve, and, therefore, hath he set the people striving, with none to cease or rest in all the Worlds. But the gods in Pegana speaking to the gods, say: "What is it that Dorozhand would fain achieve?"
It hath been written and said that not only the destinies of men are the care of Dorozhand but that even the gods of Pegana be not unconcerned by his will.
All the gods of Pegana have felt a fear, for they have seen a look in the eyes of Dorozhand that regardeth beyond the gods.
The reason and purpose of the Worlds is that there should be Life upon the Worlds, and Life is the instrument of Dorozhand wherewith he would achieve his end.

and in another chapter,

>"And as I uttered the last of certain secret words I fell asleep in the temple, for I was weary, with my head against the altar of Dorozhand. Then in the stillness, as I slept, there entered Dorozhand by the temple door in the guise of a man, and touched me on the shoulder, and I awoke.
"But when I saw that his eyes shone blue and lit the whole of the temple I knew that he was a god though he came in mortal guise. And Dorozhand said: 'Prophet of Dorozhand, behold! that the people may know.' And he showed me the paths of Sish stretching far down into the future time.
"Then he bade me arise and follow whither he pointed, speaking no words but commanding with his eyes.
"Therefore upon the twentieth night of the nine hundredth moon I walked with Dorozhand adown the paths of Sish into the future time.

This actually matches up pretty closely with the readable Glimpses into the Beyond regarding Idrila the Wondergazer,

>Lord of the Path of Beauty. Known as Idrila, god of beauty by the Knights of Beauty and the Mirror Holders. Known on some worlds as Anne Duray.
So far, the Knights of Beauty have been disbanded, leaving the Mirror Holders to wander the stars, searching for THEIR holy relics. All of this serves as proof that THEY have fallen. But my documents exchanged with the Intelligentsia Guild mention: If the relics of the Wondergazer can be found intact, THEIR beautiful countenance will be able to reappear.
According to ancient myth, Idrila once attributed the beauty of all the starzones to THEMSELF, showing heroes, villains, and mortals the meaning and aesthetics contained within the cosmic landscape, and driving them to complete astonishing (but often devastating) achievements for Idrila's own pleasure. This myth may reveal the true meaning behind the Path of Beauty: The integration of consciousness, insight, and values.

So Elio is therefore part Destiny God (via Idrila's eyes) yet also Destiny's Slave (following Idrila's will?).

The relationship between Idrila and Elio can therefore be observed in the character of Aglaea (who went blind in order to better weave destiny (Idrila giving up THEIR eyes so that destiny can be woven after THEIR fall) + created and manipulated Garmentmakers (Destiny's Slaves))

Also although Elio is known as "Destiny's Slave" the meaning in some cases doesn't seem to be exclusive to him since in the Myriad Celestia "Scene 999: GAME NOT OVER" when Kafka says the Stellaron Hunters will hold onto Silver Wolf's cartridge until she can control it she responds with "Who do you take me for...? I won't become destiny's slave". Also Kafka (who is symbolic of Stellaron Hunters in general) is shown with similar clear eyes like Aglaea (although she isn't blind) and also manipulates threads + her ability Spirit Whisper can be used to manipulate people.

Aglaea's Characters Stories could also give insight into Idrila's/Elio's motives (other than simply rewriting Finality),

>In the most visible spot, a simple, unadorned priest's robe hangs. She frequently takes it out to clean and dust, always reminding herself of the vow she made to the deity.
"Please forgive me, for the sake of the most beautiful creation in the world..."
Long ago, at the moment she took hold of the Coreflame, she suddenly "saw" in the darkness a breathtaking vista she had never before encountered —
In that golden future, there is no more strife, no more death.

and also

>Legend holds that every disciple of Mnestia devotes their entire life to crafting what they deem to be the Ultimate Beauty to present to their deity.
It's been a long time since she crafted beautiful garments.
Yet, she has never ceased weaving the threads of destiny.

II) Mirrored Finality

Beauty (like Enigmata) has the power to weave human forms. In the Moonlit Tale Do Aeons Weep for Nostalgia?

>Divergent Universe: "My body etched with wounds, I savored the taste of my prey. The instinctive thrill of it... that was my first memory."
Divergent Universe: "Then, one day, a light of impossible beauty split the dark. I was drawn to it. I left behind the primal hunger, the old instincts... and I left my homeland."
Divergent Universe: "I came here. To the world of 'humans.'"

In the Myriad Celestia Fables About the Stars Part 1, when it comes to the section about Finality, The Finality is written twice with one of them being mirrored (even the Equilibrium isn't written twice even though HooH split THEMSELVES in two so this double Finality has a deeper meaning). Also in the section about Beauty it says "Listen to the infant (End of All Things) in the mirror" and before it even reaches the Propagation part there are two frames of The Fin (meaning The End) which are in some birdcage and then a frame of The Finality (written once) that is also mirrored (since its between Beauty and Propagation (both of which are represented by Romance) it seems to imply that Beauty has something to do with the mirrored Finality).

In the Data Bank Entry for the Mirror Holders it says,

>The legend of the Mirror Holders had it that the downfall of the God of Beauty was an ancient metaphor symbolizing the shattering of peoples' views on beauty, crumbling like a collapsed tower into rubble and bricks. Therefore, the goal of the Mirror Holders takes on another significance: when conceptions of beauty are reunified, all disputes and strife will disappear. They believe the Aeon they worship will be perfect and complete again, and the universe will become whole.
This may not be a mere delusion, as the Mirror Holders possess a series of items named Mirrors of Transcendence. These mirrors do not reflect the material world, but instead reflect what is considered by the beholder as "beauty" and project that into reality.
As the Mirror Holders recounted themselves, these mirrors were fragments of Idrila's divine form. When the God of Beauty died, THEIR fragments were scattered to the cosmos. The wandering Mirror Holders tried their best to find clues and recapture these fragments, hoping to one day piece everything back together and let Beauty return to the world.

Also one of the definitions of Eidolon is an idealized person or thing (I think the characters' Eidolons are reflections from the Mirrors of Transcendence (fragments of Idrila's Divine Form)) so imagine if Terminus was reflected in the mirror (Idrila's complete Divine Corpus) it would be an idealized version of Finality (so probably someone with Finality's powers that is still trying to bring about the Ultimate Beauty (the golden future)).

Elio is said to be a special existence,

>The Dahlia: Then, Terminus turned into a pack of black cats, distributing every ounce of THEIR divine power between those creatures. The cats shall depart from the end of the world, going against the river of time, till the moment of the universe's birth.
The Dahlia: What you see is one of those cats. As for Elio, he is an even more special existence. Only the Stellaron Hunters know his true identity.

even more special than a fragment of Terminus (so he has to be more special than simply possessing Idrila's eyes, hence why I believe he was also born from Idrila's mirror as an idealized version of Finality (it would explain why there are two The Finality's in the Myriad Celestia Fables About the Stars Part 1)).

The association with Beauty and mirrors reminds me of Snow White and in the section about Finality in Fables Part 1 it says "the shapeless prince (Against the Current)" which is most likely a reference to Terminus (since Terminus travels back in time while Elio moves forward (otherwise his ability would be called hindsight instead of foresight)) and Snow White and the Prince do end up together in the story (union of Beauty and Finality).

Last time I wrote about how Elio could be the infant in the mirror a lot of people were saying it could be Fuli and although I think Fuli (and/or Mythus) could have helped in the process I don't think it's Fuli THEMSELVES (why would Fuli take center stage in the section about Idrila?)

In the only other reference to this infant that I'm aware of (in Cyrene's Messages, when she lists flowers she is putting in a bouquet),

>A prismatic crystal rose, grown from a single seed, carefully nurtured by my own hands~
Hehe, and the Antila flowers from Castorice's garden, each petal shimmering with dewdrops
Sunflowers and canterbury bells from Hyacine's courtyard, like gentle sunlight~
And there are blue moonlight lilies, baby's breath, white bellflowers...

Bellflowers are one of three flowers that appear in the section about Beauty in Fables Part 1 (other than roses and some other white flower (both these two flowers appear in Stelle's coffin when Aha is crying over Akivili and accusing Nanook in Improv Tour Trailer: "Binge it All! The Truth After the Battle of Irontomb!")) so that corresponds to Beauty.

Blue moonlight is for sure a reference to Remembrance (Fuli has a blue moon behind them (you can see the moon craters in the Myriad Celestia when Evernight talks about how March 7th was born from Fuli's shattered Divine Corpus)) so since its mentioned on the same line there is definitely a connection (tbh blue moonlight could also be used to describe the light from Elio's eyes).

Also In the Voice of Constellation about Mnestia,

>The Coreflame of "Romance" has already been returned.
Mnestia is the Titan that symbolizes beauty and love. Their appearance is often illustrated as a beautiful and elusive butterfly with golden patterns carved into their wings. They and their Titankin pursue beauty in the world, weave it into the golden thread, spin the romances of humankind and grant everyone in Amphoreus love and affection.
Legend states that Mnestia fell in love with the Reason Titan, Cerces. They sat under the giant tree for a long time, endlessly confessing their love to the Titan — but Cerces never responded. Mnestia passed away crying tears of blood, and arose reborn from their golden cocoon as a humanoid figure. Covering themselves with their broken cocoon, they set out on a journey around Amphoreus with the blessing of their kin. Finally, Mnestia returned from their adventures with the love of family, friends, and true love gathered from the world, wove them into their golden chrysalis alongside their body and heart, and gifted them to Cerces. In the arms of their lover, they were reborn in the Chrysalis of Gold. Ever since this moment, the butterfly and the tree have been inseparable and dependent on each other for survival.
Today, shadows of the past are cast across ancient ruins. These shadows that drift like scattered veils carry memories of the past. They are legacies that must not be lost. The divine powers of Mnestia gather these threads and weave them together one by one to reveal destiny and prophecies.

In my other theory on how the Self Annihilator with twisted ankles was actually Tayzzyronth I went over how all the symbolism applies to Propagation and I think this is also true for Beauty (after all, when we look back on the Mnestia lore we should see parallels in Idrila's story along with Tayzzyronth's).

Propagation:

  • Mnestia is a butterfly (Tayzzyronth living THEIR best life), passes away crying tears of blood (Tayzzyronth's "death" as well as end of Swarm Disaster), reborn as a humanoid figure (Tayzzyronth dreaming while being preserved in amber and Mythus causing this dream to intertwine with the past), and then finally with love (the Primum Mobile of Trailblaze) Mnestia wove everything including her body and heart into her golden chrysalis and was reborn in the Chrysalis of Gold (Tayzzyronth's transmutation by Qlipoth is complete (most likely with our help))

Beauty

  • Mnestia is a butterfly (Idrila living THEIR best life), passes away crying tears of blood (more emphasis on eyes (Idrila is the Wondergazer so THEIR eyes are special) + Idrila's fall), reborn as a humanoid figure (Elio as human form of idealized Finality + Idrila's eyes), and then finally with love (the Primum Mobile of Trailblaze) Mnestia wove everything including her body and heart into her golden chrysalis and was reborn in the Chrysalis of Gold (Idrila (via Elio) finally weaving the Ultime Beauty (the golden future) with our help + Idrila's reappearance)

Love (Trailblaze) is necessary for Beauty's plans,

>Ripples of Past Reverie: A story about "love," no? I've been looking forward to that.
Cyrene: Then you must also remember the first story I wrote for you. The one about the crystal flower and the little fairy.
Cyrene: So now, I want to add something more to this story and us.
Cyrene: On that day that the flower shattered, gazing at the empty ground, I thought... the little fairy would finally see the light.
Cyrene: But that light wouldn't be found in the "flawless" flower, nor in the fairy's eyes.
Cyrene: Rather, in the world mirrored within every fragment of the shattered crystal.
Cyrene: All the Flame-Chasers walk in your thirty million retellings of their story. At this moment, all the memories are tangled with each other, and all the previous cycles have gained meaning.
Cyrene: People will come to understand that, time and time again, when they stood at the crossroads of fate, they would never have chosen otherwise.
Cyrene: In the experiments of Erudition, and in the breeding ground of Destruction, it is entropy increasing, a merciless truth, an evil instinct...
Cyrene: But under the pen of the Remembrance and the Trailblaze...
Cyrene: The Flame-Chase is a journey that changes from constant losses to an unwavering act of release.
Cyrene: It's about knowing how fate is shattered, yet still embracing fate's brokenness. It's a journey that longs to receive love, but longs even more to offer its love to others.
Ripples of Past Reverie: That's so heartwarming!
Ripples of Past Reverie: But I'll add a small bit to suit my tastes.
Ripples of Past Reverie: I'll write that "love" is an innocent flower. It grows up silently, creating longing in every passerby.
Ripples of Past Reverie: But the flower itself cannot walk into the world...
Cyrene: Unless someone plants that "love" into their heart and brings it with them (Trailblaze) into tomorrow, right?

III) Integration of Consciousness, Insight, and Values

In my theory On Idrila (I also analyzed the 4 Beauties of Ancient China here :D) I explained how the "integration of consciousness, insight, and values" mentioned as the true meaning behind the Path of Beauty

  1. Integration = Harmony
  2. Consciousness = Enigmata
  3. Insight = Remembrance
  4. Values = Order

connects with Ruan Mei's thoughts in the Myriad Celestia "Transcendent Ruan Tunes, Blushing Mei Blooms"

>Mother, your letters are always welcome. The plum blossoms bloom and wither, and I occasionally catch a scent of loneliness. I once again am thinking back to the research in my childhood, together with you in "No Man's Land." That comfy cabin, teeming with boundlessly joyous forms of life. Those days are unforgettable. I understood the vastness of the universe too early. I was different than every other kid around me. Birth, growth, death… Lamenting the process of life is the origin of my thinking. I began to realize that I… longed for something "pure." "Attachment" involves the insular cortex, which controls anxiety and pain. The laws of "emotion" can be easily broken down. Children will become more well-behaved when they receive "random" rewards. When I discovered how easy it was to cultivate a "planet," I began to feel empty. I increasingly understand that I… long for more "fundamental" research. Recently, I've had some different thoughts. At first, I was terrified of its appearance. It is born of wonder, does not resist, and does not grieve. It is the closest thing to the feeling I had when I was a child. "It asked me... where does the research end...? "Life is so colorful, but… it has nothing to do with me. I explore the mysteries of the universe and seek deeper answers. I have nothing to lose and nothing to gain. If life is "cultivated" and "reproduced”, you can dissect Remembrance, control Equilibrium, deconstruct Beauty, and reproduce Permanence. I will understand "life"and touch on these "conceptions". And perhaps I, too, can become an Aeon. Worry not, my dear "assistant." I will "reward" you.

Idrila is known as the Wondergazer and Ruan Mei upon observation of Nous says it is born of wonder.

In Amphoreus the three Titans of Fate were Janus, Talanton, and Oronoyx (corresponding to Harmony, Order, and Remembrance (also Enigmata)) while Mnestia was a Titan of Creation. It would make sense then for Aglaea to represent the creating of one who weaves destiny.

In the book The Gods of Pegāna, "The reason and purpose of the Worlds is that there should be Life upon the Worlds, and Life is the instrument of Dorozhand wherewith he would achieve his end." and from the Flawed Recollection description,

>"That genuine shiver when crystal flowers fall... That's the 'mover of life.'"

which all indicate the fall of Beauty led to the creation of life (I personally think this life would be Elio) in order to better weave destiny.

u/Rosacea3 — 5 days ago

Tayzzyronth the Self Annihilator caused Tayzzyronth's ascension

I) Overview

In the Myriad Celestia Fables About the Stars Part 1 concerning Propagation and Enigmata,

>the waves (Flapping Wings) as they enter the dream (Consciousness)

The Self Annihilator who caused the Lepismat Massacre thereby leading to Tayzzyronth's ascension was actually Tayzzyronth THEMSELVES (after THEIR "death"/preservation in amber, THEY dreamed of being human and this consciousness intersected with the past due to Mythus' influence)

Terminus is the only one who spoke of this directly ,

>Origin Universe: You calm down and observe it, knowing that the end of all things is recorded in it. The scribbling writes, "...Tayzzyronth, an Aeon that ascends amid hatred and loneliness. From the words the Finality mutters in THEIR sleep, Tayzzyronth's death predetermines THEIR birth. Throughout THEIR whole life, THEY will be imprisoned in the Path of Propagation. If you're interested, you can learn about its abnormality, its separation, and how it is played by fate..."

I love how Terminus says Tayzzyronth was played by fate (so detached lol), when THEY are responsible for a lot of the playing. The reason why the Self Annihilator even went to Lepismat was because of Terminus' whispers.

>Origin Universe: At the next landing, you will arrive in Lepismat. His eyes gleam... and you are aware that he believes in the half-deciphered whispers that were played in reverse. "He conquers planets. He establishes civilizations. He finds his lost self."

II) Butterfly & Human symbolism

(Note: This section is mostly about symbolism if you are in a hurry I would just skim the Voice of Constellation about Mnestia and the Imagenated Creation Equation, the next section is when I discuss how Tayzzyronth and the Self Annihilator are the same)

I'm pretty sure the inspiration for the relationship between Propagation and Enigmata was based on the story of Zhuang Zhou's dream.

>昔者莊周夢為胡蝶,栩栩然胡蝶也,自喻適志與。不知周也。
Once, Zhuang Zhou dreamed he was a butterfly, a butterfly flitting and fluttering about, happy with himself and doing as he pleased. He didn't know that he was Zhuang Zhou.

>俄然覺,則蘧蘧然周也。不知周之夢為胡蝶與,胡蝶之夢為周與。周與胡蝶,則必有分矣。此之謂物化。
Suddenly he woke up and there he was, solid and unmistakable Zhuang Zhou. But he didn't know if he was Zhuang Zhou who had dreamt he was a butterfly, or a butterfly dreaming that he was Zhuang Zhou. Between Zhuang Zhou and the butterfly there must be some distinction! This is called the Transformation of Things.

Zhuangzi, Chapter 2

Also we see a reference to insect/humans souls in the Swarm Disaster Lore,

>Origin Universe: You are no stranger to the sudden darkness that envelopes you... for you have experienced too many inexplicable things, time and time again... This time, three shadows appear before you. Those who have once lived and perished may occasionally appear here. Their features flicker and waver, at times taking the form of insects resembling Melchiez's adopted sons... Perhaps they possess different souls.

I think the biggest example of this relationship would be Mnestia (Romance represents Propagation in the DU (Soul Chrysalis and Butterfly Soul)).

In the Voice of Constellation about Mnestia,

>The Coreflame of "Romance" has already been returned.
Mnestia is the Titan that symbolizes beauty and love. Their appearance is often illustrated as a beautiful and elusive butterfly with golden patterns carved into their wings. They and their Titankin pursue beauty in the world, weave it into the golden thread, spin the romances of humankind and grant everyone in Amphoreus love and affection.
Legend states that Mnestia fell in love with the Reason Titan, Cerces. They sat under the giant tree for a long time, endlessly confessing their love to the Titan — but Cerces never responded. Mnestia passed away crying tears of blood, and arose reborn from their golden cocoon as a humanoid figure. Covering themselves with their broken cocoon, they set out on a journey around Amphoreus with the blessing of their kin. Finally, Mnestia returned from their adventures with the love of family, friends, and true love gathered from the world, wove them into their golden chrysalis alongside their body and heart, and gifted them to Cerces. In the arms of their lover, they were reborn in the Chrysalis of Gold. Ever since this moment, the butterfly and the tree have been inseparable and dependent on each other for survival.
Today, shadows of the past are cast across ancient ruins. These shadows that drift like scattered veils carry memories of the past. They are legacies that must not be lost. The divine powers of Mnestia gather these threads and weave them together one by one to reveal destiny and prophecies.

In the Cocoon Dressmaker Equation,

>Have you ever seen a garmentmaker of butterfly wings? Ever since the fall of Mnestia,
They have become rare to find.
Not all beings are as fortunate as the Mountain Dwellers,
Born with Kephale as their template.
The siren of Phagousa, the wondrous beast of Aquila,
And countless creations and Titankins yearning for rebirth,
Had once received the guidance of the Gilded One.
Just like Mnestia,
They were wrapped within cocoons of golden threads,
And later, their souls were woven into humanoid forms.
The reasons are always frivolous, either love for a mortal
Or the desire to duel a hero in the arena.
Yet war ultimately destroyed it all. Unable to betray its creator,
My beloved shed its shell at dawn and fluttered those enchanting wings.

Also in the Propagation Boundary Equation Imagenated Creation,

>Desire... The desire to break free from your shell. Countless wishes urge your birth. Abundant Wishpower envelops your body, while the whirring of mechanical arms rises and falls in waves. You feel a surge of discomfort. Your formless, chaotic consciousness ceases its struggle. Like liquid poured into a vessel, your outline becomes anchored, your self gains shape, and savagery is washed away by humanity.
You open your eyes. In an instant, instinct grants you memories, survival skills and impulses. There is also a yearning to achieve, a hunger to pursue. Live on, as all living things do. Then spend your entire existence filling the void deep within your heart.
Hypothesis: Studying the birth and behavioral patterns of imagenae in relation to Wishpower may assist current research on the Phantasmoon Games.

In the Moonlit Tale Do Aeons Weep for Nostalgia?

>Divergent Universe: "My body etched with wounds, I savored the taste of my prey. The instinctive thrill of it... that was my first memory."
Divergent Universe: "Then, one day, a light of impossible beauty split the dark. I was drawn to it. I left behind the primal hunger, the old instincts... and I left my homeland."
Divergent Universe: "I came here. To the world of 'humans.'"

III) Tayzzyronth and Self Annihilator being the same

In the post I made about the 3 most confusing foreshadowings in the Swarm Disaster Lore u/M4-LKT pointed out all the similarities between Tayzzyronth and the Self Annihilator (if Tayzzyronth's soul was woven into humanoid form it would look very similar to this Self Annihilator) and together we were theorizing how this "split Aeon" would work :D

One of Tayzzyronth's titles is Sand King, and the Self Annihilator has a lot of "Sand King" imagery (this is the biggest connection by far, since the Self Annihilator would create empires out of sand, "...all out of sand. He has witnessed his miniature empire rise, thrive, decline, and ultimately fall").

>Swarm Universe: You arrive at a desolate world, where nothing but a vast, lifeless desert remains. An old man with grizzled hair and twisted ankles sits amidst *dunes* and *sand warriors*, keeping the Swarm at bay with his sand walls.
Swarm Universe: Despite having overcome aging, a natural biological process for living beings, he appears tormented. He looks exhausted and says that he doesn't understand why he just won't die. He scratches his ankles and shows you the sand towers he has crafted.
Swarm Universe: The old man explains that he has created buildings, islands, pavilions, castles, and even a miniature metropolis for slaves... all out of sand. He has witnessed his miniature empire rise, thrive, decline, and ultimately fall. According to him, he is so skilled in this craft that he once even restored "civilization" in a land possessed of naught but corpses. However, now he seems exhausted and is ready to depart for the next world.

The crooked/twisted ankles also serve as symbolism for how Tayzzyronth was puppeted (Tayzzyronth is the poor soul being manipulated),

>...Why were they born?
Simulated Universe: With The Hunt's instinct, you find the page with the answer — it is a blank page. The book is written in reverse chronology, with the ending predetermined. Yet, the cause can be made up arbitrarily. Whoever is the poor soul that is manipulated will have no bearing on the big picture.

Just like the description for the "Two" Masks,

>A mask designed to bear the image of "the Equilibrium." The wearer will encounter both good fortune and misfortune in equal measures, and occasionally experience a split personality.

The Self Annihilator possesses a split personality,

>Swarm Universe: You trail the Swarm to a planet piled with corpses. As you inadvertently kick over a body, its shattered head suddenly springs to life! It is then that you notice an unlikely survivor with a scraggly beard, grizzled hair, twisted ankles, and scant clothing. The whiteness upon his crown catches your notice, and he raises his head and meets your gaze.
(Destruction) Approach and strike up a conversation. — Look, who's that?
Swarm Universe: He thanks you, smiles at you, and then lets out a torrent of furious curses!
(Nihility) Expeditiously avoid. — Don't pick a fight.
Swarm Universe: He gazes at your back as you depart, and unleashes a torrent of furious curses!
Swarm Universe: He curses in a hoarse and anguished voice, lamenting that even after defeating the bounty hunters, he failed to find the "self" he had been seeking... and started to believe that the person who had recorded the whispers was nothing more than a liar! Despite this, he persisted in his "conquests."
Swarm Universe: He curses vehemently as he attaches the *half of his head* you just kicked back to its original position.

The Self Annihilator also died the same moment Tayzzyronth did.

>Ember Universe: Before the powerful hammering, whimpers and indecipherable words sound off, the Self-Annihilator with crooked ankles gazes upon you... He claims to have been alone in dialogue with the past for a long time, and that no traveler had ever stepped foot here.
Ember Universe: You caress touch his arched back with your hand, and a creeping chill rises within you — this should be the land of Tayzzyronth's fated beginning and end, but there is only desolation here.
Ember Universe: Just then, the Self-Annihilator stretches out his hand, gulping as if to keep some temptation at bay, and on the fourth day, he finally remembers the annihilation of self.

and

>Ember Universe: Guided by the ripples in your goblet, your gondola arrives at Elydichna, a desolate world ravaged by the Swarm. Amidst rusted iron sheets and charred soil, you encounter a reclusive Self-Annihilator. Upon seeing you, he glares viciously, and you follow his gaze to the Memory Bubble hovering in front of the gondola. He swallows hard and extends his hand towards it!
Ember Universe: At that moment, an eerie, amalgamated sound emanates from all corners of the sky — you see everyone on the gondola acting bizarrely, seemingly unable to resist this sound. You have no idea which dimension the noise can be sourced from, but it sounds akin to a cacophonous carol with booming, whimpering, and laughter combined with hymns arranged in parallel. Everyone except you succumbs to the noise, falling into a state of ecstasy as if they have witnessed divine revelations. Despite your attempts to stop them, they follow the rhythm and pound the Memory Bubble in the dust until it cracks!
Ember Universe: As a Shadow of Nihility emerges from the broken Memory Bubble, the Self-Annihilator's heartfelt smile abruptly turns to anguish. He embraces the shadow with open arms and gets consumed immediately, vanishing in an instant!
(The Hunt) Kill it, quick! — You don't want to be eaten by it!
(Nihility) What kind of a Shadow of Nihility is it? — You don't understand.
Ember Universe: The shadow is actually the *back* of an entire world. At that moment, the Self-Annihilator finally reclaims his lost self... He merges with the shadow, and his very existence dissipates into oblivion in the blink of an eye.
Ember Universe: The Arbitrators of Equilibrium take action before you do! With a resounding boom, the Shadow of Nihility fades, and the eerie sound dissipates. At last, the restless Swarm throughout the universe begins to calm down.

We know they both died at the same time because of the eerie sound (the cacophonous carol with booming (Qlipoth's hammering), whimpering (Tayzzyronth's whimpering), and laughter (Aha's laughter) combined with hymns (Xipe's hymns) arranged in parallel).

IV) Mythus manipulating Tayzzyronth's dream & cause and effect

I think what made all the pieces come together in my mind was the post made by u/Marcellohmoraes on the connection between Trailblaze and Enigmata. Specifically the description for Enigmatic Ectostella,

>Severed from the highest of beings, this crystal reflects ever-changing mirages. The past and future intertwine on each of its countless facets, attempting to swallow up all observers.
"Civilization is but a thin sheet of ice on top of the deep dark ocean of chaos."

I feel like the past and future intertwining is a direct reference to what happened regarding Tayzzyronth's birth (also there are other concepts like separation from Aeon (split Aeon) & observer being swallowed up (Self Annihilator dying from merging with the Shadow of Nihility) which could be indirect references).

It also perfectly explains the problem u/M4-LKT and I had when we were developing our first theory in the comments on the shared existence of Tayzzyronth and the Self Annihilator, the existence of the Self Annihilator's Sin Thirster,

>Sin Thirsters... the obsessions of the Pathstriders. They emerge from the depths of IX, seeing themselves as masters of their own destiny, unknowingly repeating the actions of their past lives.

since it would imply that the Self Annihilator was already dead

>Ember Universe: After the destruction subsides, a group of "Sin Thirsters" emerge from the void, feeding on the sense of guilt. They appear fleetingly, and dance around in jubilation, having gained a new lease on life. They represent the souls of the deceased: the Swarm that has died and been reborn, and the civilizations that have been destroyed and reconstructed...
Ember Universe: As a Sin Thirster shifts and transforms like smoke, it eventually takes on a hunched human-like form. When it lingers near you, you detect both an alluring fragrance and the scent of blood.
Eat it up! — Doesn't it know that it's just a mass of gas?
Ember Universe: You feel as if you have gulped down a mass of air as a Sin Thirster stirs within your stomach, leaving a flavor resembling that of a *Stink Fruit*.
Tell it its name when it was alive. — Names are masks created by the living for their own emptiness.
Ember Universe: Somehow, your actions seem to have agitated it. It alters its appearance and introduces itself in silence as a soldier imbued with "joy," and a Self-Annihilator who has forgotten how to erase itself from existence.

The scent of Enigmata's Riddle (blood and flower) "an alluring fragrance and the scent of blood", the symbolism is indicating that the reason for the Self Annihilator and its Sin Thirster coexisting was because of Mythus (the Self Annihilator was actually dead already (when Tayzzyronth was dreaming)). Also "the Swarm that has died and been reborn, and the civilizations that have been destroyed and reconstructed..." matches with how Tayzzyronth's death predetermines THEIR birth.

Enigmata's Riddle is also repeated in Mnestia's Lore, "Mnestia passed away crying tears of blood, and arose reborn from their golden cocoon as a humanoid figure." (showing how after Tayzzyronth's death THEY arose as a humanoid figure (except this humanoid figure is Tayzzyronth's dream manifesting in the past because of Mythus' influence))

>Swarm Universe: The old man explains that he has created buildings, islands, pavilions, castles, and even a miniature metropolis for slaves... all out of sand. He has witnessed his miniature empire rise, thrive, decline, and ultimately fall. According to him, he is so skilled in this craft that he once even restored "civilization" in a land possessed of naught but corpses. However, now he seems exhausted and is ready to depart for the next world.
Swarm Universe: But you refuse to hear anything! His reprimands were so harsh that you begin to weep uncontrollably...
Swarm Universe: Your tears inadvertently destroy countless *Sand Mechs*... prompting them to protest! Please, just stop crying.

Tears also represent the destruction of the sand empire (of the Swarm). In the Propagation's Boundary Equation Romance's Miracle, it equates dust with the insects' offspring,

>This is a tale of love and propagation inscribed on a stone tablet. This is the miracle of Mnestia, the Chrysalis of Gold.
The god of beauty and love was so fragile that
Even a torrential rain could break their wings.
The Titankins, bearing the creator's image, hide beneath leaves, weeping.
They prayed to the gods for blessings.
"Born for such torment, why should we bother to flap our wings again?"
Hearing their prayers, the Chrysalis of Gold scattered their shimmering scale dust,
Covering the wings of the Titankins and granting them hundreds and thousands of offspring.
Their bodies grew heavy with the dust, and their lives shortened.
Bees and butterflies danced among flowers, only to age and die in a moment.
Yet hatched from eggs, their offspring continued the endless dance.
Oh, fragile butterfly! Life is short, why not dance to another tune?

Tayzzyronth also matches with Enigmata's Riddle

>A certain traveler with an active imagination murmurs to himself behind the glass wall after being confined... — You try to enter his mind.
Origin Universe: "I have seen wonders beyond the scope of human imagination... I have seen dozens of insects intertwine and give birth to entirely new offspring, which in turn weave themselves together like a shape-shifting rose with countless interlocking petals. The reproductive cycle of the Swarm is akin to a flower emitting pheromones and various scents... a breathtaking combination of monstrosity and beauty..."
Origin Universe: Understanding someone else's thoughts is never an easy task... You are starting to get drowsy.

so the "alluring fragrance and scent of blood" from the Sin Thirster also indicates not only Mythus's influence but being of the same nature as Tayzzyronth. Also the traveler who is murmuring the above is one of Melchiez's adopted children whose form is flickering between human and insect (also symbolizing the secret of Tayzzyronth's separation).

The Voice of Constellation about Mnestia and the Propagation Boundary Equation Imagenated Creation are the ones that depict a lot of the symbolism chronologically

  • Mnestia is a butterfly (Tayzzyronth living THEIR best life), passes away crying tears of blood (Tayzzyronth's "death" as well as end of Swarm Disaster), reborn as a humanoid figure (Tayzzyronth dreaming while being preserved in amber and Mythus causing this dream to intersect with the past), and then finally with love, the Primum Mobile of Trailblaze, Mnestia wove everything including her body and heart into her golden chrysalis and was reborn in the Chrysalis of Gold (Tayzzyronth's transmutation by Qlipoth is complete (most likely with our help))
  • Countless wishes urge your birth (Tayzzyronth's birth was caused after being preserved in amber (by THEIR dream/consciousness)), whirring of mechanical arms rises and falls in waves ("waves" refers to Propagation in Fables Part 1), your formless, chaotic consciousness ceases its struggle, like liquid poured into a vessel, your outline becomes anchored, your self gains shape, and savagery is washed away by humanity ("Consciousness" refers to Enigmata's influence in Fables Part 1, and this is when Tayzzyronth's dream/consciousness is woven into a humanoid figure), then spend your entire existence filling the void deep within your heart (refers to the Self Annihilator's journey of trying to find their lost self)

Even Fuli's memories refer to it,

>Fuli: lyric confront gluttony decease entwine eulogy sincere catch sand king memory sea surface backside children devour brawl actor void inverse vestige compose

Although tbh Fuli's memories are very confusing (except for the first few lol) but I imagine "sand king memory sea surface" is talking about how the sand king appeared from the memory sea (Tayzzyronth's dream/consciousness intertwined with the past as the Self Annihilator due to Mythus' influence) and "backside" could refer to how the Shadow of Nihility (the one that ended the Self Annihilator) was the back of an entire world.

So in conclusion it can be said that Tayzzyronth (as human) caused Tayzzyronth's ascension (although THEY were manipulated by Terminus, Mythus, Aha, Ena... lol).

u/Rosacea3 — 18 days ago

Celenova, Destiny, and Stellarons

I also included some analysis on Xipe's three faces and how the Stellarons were created because I think it was needed to explain my position but most of the theory is in section III Celenova and Trailblazer Parallels :D

I) Xipe's Three Faces

Part 1) Order, Voracity, and Harmony

In Fables About the Stars Part 1, Black Swan (and also Xipe speaking at the same time),

>Then, they say, O you who have reached the end, enter into the paradise that envelops all! Join this great choir and feast, listen to the beating of billions upon billions of hearts, holding you in their embrace

  • choir = Order
  • feast = Voracity
  • billions upon billions of hearts = Harmony

Celenova repeats this symbolism in Fables About the Stars Part 2,

>A colleague told me that the Xianzhou Alliance is not our enemy. So why not join this great feast and observe how billions of beating hearts... Walk into irreversible demise

  • feast = Voracity
  • billions of beating hearts = Harmony
  • irreversible demise = Destruction

So perhaps a repeat of the progression of Order into Destruction is how Celenova plans to destroy Xipe

  • The civilizations that fell apart under Order was because of Order itself. In Ena's Data Bank Entry,

>The planets governed by Ena adhere staunchly to established rules, yet I must acknowledge that the various calamities in the cosmos were all hindered by Ena's guardianship, leading to extremely efficient development of civilization among diverse planets. Interestingly, however, civilizations all eventually hit rock bottom because of Order. The ancient planets that once fervently worshiped Order would shine briefly before their total collapse... Perhaps this is the "Path" of these planets.

  • It does parallel symbolically what happens in Judaism & Christianity (Christianity appearing from Judaism yet still claiming that it's the fulfillment of what came before (Xipe assimilating Ena)). The Law was given but humans were unable to be perfect according to what the Law requires, so our end is ultimately death/collapse (representing Order), then Jesus comes and fulfills the righteous requirement of the Law via His death (which represents Harmony, this is why eulogy is associated with Xipe's ascension in Fuli's memories in Remembrance II) and His resurrection represents making all things new (our bodies & heaven and earth). Also, God now dwells in us so that also symbolizes how Xipe is now a plural being (everyone becomes part of THEM). Voracity represents assimilation, wanting ourselves to become more like Jesus (also consuming the flesh and blood of Jesus (our sins are covered by His sacrifice)).

Instead of the "enter into the paradise that envelops all!" by Xipe, in Celenova's Proverb it would be "in that moment when the stars will scatter like frightened birds, and all that is harmony and discord, perfect and incomplete, just fall into oblivion" (differing visions of the end, one centered on Paradise (which is Order in the Hymn of the Stellaron, Gift is Harmony), the other centered on falling into oblivion which is a repeat of Ena being cast into the abyss of oblivion (Ena throwing THEMSELVES into Oroboros' mouth, I shall prove this later) symbolism, Ena repeating THEIR destruction)

Choir and feast representing Order and Voracity would match with Fuli's memories in Remembrance II Swarm Disaster Chapter (choir = lyric, feast = gluttony):

>Fuli: lyric confront gluttony decease entwine eulogy sincere catch sand king memory sea surface backside children devour brawl actor void inverse vestige compose

Also in Hysilen's quote,

>Hysilens: I don't understand. If the ocean's feast, the Imperator's dream, and even Amphoreus's existence are all illusions... then what's the point of our journey?

The feast is associated with the ocean (and Voracity is called the mariners' intemperance in the Fables About the Stars Part 1). Plus Oroboros was described as a siren in Remembrance I and the Stellarons themselves act like sirens luring people to make wishes (as described in the Wish Upon A Star curio description).

Part 2) Ena consumed by Oroboros

  1. In the Hymn of the Stellaron, (where Paradise = Order, Gift = Harmony, Purgatory = Voracity),

>*Hymn praising "Purgatory"*
Send him to the spiraling pits, the domain of the swarming carapaces,
where karma's fire will purge the world of all joy and sorrow, and a wasteland waits for its rebirth.
Plunge him to the endless abyss, to be chewed by a thousand maws,
where the pact of justice is remade, consumed and nurtured by slime, to be born anew.

  • Ena was plunged into the abyss (chewed by Oroboros) where the pact of justice is remade, consumed and nurtured by slime, to be born anew as Xipe (as a triune aeon)
  1. In the Swarm Disaster Secret Beyond the Sky Choir: Anomaly Archives, one of the Twins of Order in Part II falls into the sea (on purpose to resolve the conflict with the Architects),

>Swarm Universe: You also jump into the sea with a resounding splash! Your vision underwater is muddled, but you can see kaleidoscopic rays of light enshrouding the drowned — after his death, the drowned would be known for having the most moving and holy of voices that ever harmonized for gods in the ancient era.

  • eulogy in Fuli's memories would then refer to Harmony's ascension (lyric confront gluttony decease entwine eulogy...)
  • Baptism via water (symbolizing death of fleshly nature via water)
  • Also Cerydra is killed by Hysilens and she lay dying in a pool of water
  1. Aha helped Ena so that the paths of Order and Voracity can entwine with Harmony

When Aha says "Everything I do is to help Ena!" it probably also includes THEIR actions against Oroboros (for example, by stealing the concept of Aftertaste, Aha probably changed the path of Voracity to become more compatible with Ena's new ideal of Harmony (after all, in Christianity there is no distinction made between people you want to convert, so it becomes more of a general assimilation)) (and we know Aha helped in Ena's baton game (Xipe's ascension)). In Elation I,

>Aha: "Everything I do is to help Ena!" Aha claps while roaring with laughter. THEIR ball and poker cards hug each other. "Aha has always been helpful. It's my pleasure to help other Gods..." Then, Aha turns THEIR gaze to you.

In Elation II,

>Aha: "Oh, the mother of all stars!" Aha starts the compliments, but the words make you uncomfortable. "As long as what you want to do is fun enough, even if it's a baton game! Changes happen rapidly. We were still negotiating last time, but this time, Ena already became you. It's a shame, my friend! But I must say Ena makes you look even better."

II) Stellaron Creation

  • The Chinese term for Aeons, 星神 Xīngshén, means "God(s) of the Stars."
  • The Chinese term for Stellarons, 星核 Xīnghé, means "Star Cores."

In the first line of the Hymn of the Stellaron,

>Let the star be sundered, its heart laid bare, let every nation heed the summons

The star being sundered, its heart laid bare, is most likely a reference to Akivili's death.

>Himeko: There is a legend in the galaxy: the heart of Akivili themself lies in the core of the Astral Express, providing it with the power to travel between worlds. But I found no evidence of that aboard the Express.

From the Myriad Celestia Fables About the Stars Part 1,

>The nameless one, the pathless one, arrived from the edge of the wilderness, clad in stellar radiance. Go now, march unwaveringly into solar wind. At the end you will return to my embrace - but march towards the light. Yet that light began to burn, piercing through the clouds as a golden death.

  • Akivili returned from the end having already gone beyond the path of Trailblaze (probably what Zandar wanted (freeing the world from the chains of paths), removing the shackles on humanity's destiny/use of Imagination Energy??)
    • In the original Chinese, Paths are named 命途 mìngtú, which can be translated as "destined path" or "fated path."

In The Pathless Equation,

>This is yet another tragic calamity. The vessel is torn apart, probably after encountering detestable pirates or bumping into a Swarm looking for food. Dead bodies are floating in the vacuum, like goldfish in the water. For some reason, you think of the eccentric Bretadens, who believe that souls belong to the land, and those who die in a vacuum will be forever lost.
You clean their bodies and stitch up their wounds, salvaging their last shred of dignity. The death of the unnamed is sprinkled into the sky. While their bodies begin their descent towards land, they burn in the atmosphere, transforming into shooting stars that carry wishes. For those with names, their departure starts from silence, yet the mourning is unceasing.
You are uncertain as to which category these bodies belong, but you wish you could hear the weeping.

  • Akivili's body transformed into shooting stars that carry wishes
    • I think it has to be Akivili because THEY are a nameless one (Trailblaze) and a pathless one (going beyond path of Trailblaze)

Perhaps the Family then devoured/assimilated these stars via Voracity, and the assimilated stars became the Stellarons? "Let the star be sundered, its heart laid bare" sounds like regular pathstriders (the Family) knew about the initial steps in the creation process of the Stellarons (that they originated from Akivili's death)

Also genesis mass (consuming God = another Voracity reference?) could refer to either Akivili or Xipe giving up their body for consumption so this could be before or after the stars were devoured via Xipe's third face.

In the book The Gods of Pegāna (Pegana is the world where Akivili is from),

>Himeko: The Express is traveling on a route that Trailblaze once embarked on. The names of some destinations have been lost, but the first and final stops were both at Pegana — Akivili's home world.

The symbolism basically confirms that Akivili went beyond the path of Trailblaze (the pathless one) as well as the fact that the Stellarons initially originated from THEIR body,

>"When Māna-Yood-Sushāī had made the gods there were only the gods, and They sat in the middle of Time, for there was as much Time before them as behind them, while having no end had neither a beginning. And Pegāna was without heat or light or sound, save for the drumming of Skarl; moreover Pegāna was The Middle of All, for there was below Pegāna what there was above it, and there lay before it that which lay beyond. Then said the gods, making the signs of the gods and speaking with Their hands lest the silence of Pegāna should blush; then said the gods to one another, speaking with Their hands: 'Let Us make worlds to amuse Ourselves while Māna rests. Let Us make worlds and Life and Death, and colours in the sky; only let us not break the silence upon Pegāna. Then raising Their hands each god according to his sign, They made the worlds and the suns, and put a light in the houses of the sky. Then said the gods: "Let Us make one to seek, to seek and never to find out concerning the wherefore of the making of the gods." And They made by the lifting of Their hands, each god according to his sign, the Bright One with the flaring tail to seek from the end of the Worlds to the end of them again, to return again after a hundred years. Man, when thou seest the comet, know that another seeketh besides thee nor ever findeth out. Then said the gods, still speaking with Their hands: "Let there be now a Watcher to regard." And They made the Moon, with his face wrinkled with many mountains and worn with a thousand valleys, to regard with pale eyes the games of the small gods, and to watch throughout the resting time of Māna-Yood-Sushāī; to watch, to regard all things, and be silent. Then said the gods: "Let Us make one to rest. One not to move among the moving. One not to seek like the comet, nor to go round like the worlds; to rest while Māna rests." And They made the Star of the Abiding and set it in the North. Man, when thou seest the Star of the Abiding to the North, know that one resteth as doth Māna-Yood-Sushāī, and know that somewhere among the Worlds is rest. Lastly the gods said: "We have made worlds and suns, and one to seek and another to regard, let Us now make one to wonder." And They made Earth to wonder, each god by the uplifting of his hand according to his sign. And Earth Was."

Astral Express Trio + Stellaron

  • Trailblazer - (Trailblaze) the Bright One with the flaring tail to seek (looks like a train lol)
  • March 7th - (Remembrance) the Moon to regard and to watch
    • "to regard" is probably referenced in Fables Part 1 when Fuli appears "And finally, measure the world against yourself, and take all such things to heart."
  • Dan Heng - (Permanence) the Earth to wonder
  • Stellaron - (Pathless) the Star of the Abiding to rest
    • "One not to move among the moving" sounds like it doesn't have a Primum Mobile (which makes sense because this one is like Māna-Yood-Sushāī) so it's most likely a reference to being Pathless and since it is a star it fits with being a Stellaron (this is literally the only Astral Express member that fits, I don't believe out of these 4 beings they choose to base the trio of Trailblaze, Remembrance, and Permanence and leave out the fourth that explicitly doesn't have some sort of Primum Mobile (it would make so much sense if it referenced the "star" housed by the Trailblazer))
    • Beyond the Sky (Pathless) is also a reference to the Tao ("I call it 'That which is beyond the beyond'" from Verse 25 in the Tao Te Ching)
    • I also wonder if the Stellarons originating from Pathless Akivili is being referenced by "listen to the silence, and you will know where the stars are resting" from the Erudition portion in Fables About the Stars Part 1 (since Nous became silent (stopping THEIR calculations) after Akivili disappeared and according to Kafka THEY are the only one who may know what happened to Akivili)

There is also other symbolism, such as saying what lay before Pegāna what lay beyond (foreshadowing Akivili will go beyond the sky (beyond Paths)). Also for the Bright Comet with the flaring tail it says "to seek from the end of the Worlds to the end of them again" which foreshadow's Akivili's journey as well as us retracing THEIR steps.

Anyways the goal of this section was to identify the nature of the cooperation between the Family and Celenova. Since the creation of the Stellarons is accounted for it's highly likely that Celenova plays the role of spreading the Stellarons while the Family is the entity that provide the Stellarons to Celenova.

III) Celenova and Trailblazer Parallels

Part 1) Paths of Destiny

I want to discuss the Paths in terms of destiny rather than just concepts (since in the original Chinese, Paths are named 命途 mìngtú, which can be translated as "destined path" or "fated path.") The three specifically are the Paths of Order, Trailblaze, and Destruction.

a) Order

In Ena's Data Bank Entry,

>The planets governed by Ena adhere staunchly to established rules, yet I must acknowledge that the various calamities in the cosmos were all hindered by Ena's guardianship, leading to extremely efficient development of civilization among diverse planets. Interestingly, however, civilizations all eventually hit rock bottom because of Order. The ancient planets that once fervently worshiped Order would shine briefly before their total collapse... Perhaps this is the "Path" of these planets.

b) Trailblaze

In the Myriad Celestia Fables About the Stars Part 1 it explores the path the Trailblazer should walk,

>Look upon the courtesans' extravagance (Hedonism), the mariners' intemperance (Gluttony). Listen to the infant (End of All Things) in the mirror the waves (Flapping Wings) as they enter the dream (Consciousness), the tipping of the balance (Samsara), the shapeless prince (Against the Current). And finally, measure the world against yourself, and take all such things to heart. This is the path you should walk, they say. Akivili (Trailblazer), depart (Connect the Worlds) once more, Akivili (Trailblazer)!

c) Destruction

In Celenova's Data Bank Entry,

>When some desperate civilizations cry out for salvation, these requests are heard by The Family, but it may be Celenova who answers, and her descent brings ruin to enemy and supplicant alike.
Unlike her mysterious peers, Celenova's origin is known: Nanook personally ignited a world of harmony and elevated her from the ashes of the Eternal Centurion.
She is deemed the destroyer of Harmony, leading the Antimatter Legion and commanding Voidrangers and starships in vast, coordinated campaigns. For eons, she has followed the path of the "Cancer of All Worlds," spinning a web of death across the stars. Some say she alone among the Lord Ravagers knows the truth of the Stellarons — or worse, that she's the one planting them.

Part 2) Harmonizing Destiny

From the Gift part of the Hymn of the Stellaron, "The seed of our fates now ripens, binding brethren in sacred fraternity" (this is the big idea (I think))

  • For the Trailblazer, the path we should walk involves interacting with different Paths (as described in the Myriad Celestia Fables About the Stars Part 1) and those that are in harmony (the Paths) will then share the same destiny ("It was a wish of the cosmos that set you in motion. And in the tale where you are the protagonist, the stars themselves will defy the destiny of "Finality." this is shared destiny (which also happens when we go harmonize with and save planets on a mini-scale))
  • For Celenova, the path she has walked is by following the path of the Stellarons and guiding their path (of the world whose destiny is bound together in sacred fraternity by the Stellaron) into Destruction (while the Family guides it into Harmony, Astral Express guides it into Trailblaze (a new path/destiny), etc.)

The destiny of Order (prosperity for a while then destruction) is repeated by both the Family and Celenova.

  • The Family most likely gave Stellarons to Celenova so that "When some desperate civilizations cry out for salvation" they can draw them into the Family, which is a way of gaining strength from calamity (which is what Ena did via Tayzzyronth and the Swarm (well Ena also planned for the current Astral Express crew as well as transmuted butterfly Tayzzyronth from amber cocoon) and during that calamity when people turned to Order the path of Order reached its peak) but sometimes Celenova responds lol
  • Celenova wants to repeat Ena's fall (guiding destiny into Destruction) as discussed in Section 1 (except it's Harmony (everyone) that falls into Destruction instead of an Aeon's sacrifice)

I suppose the relevant symbolism in Christianity would be Hebrews 6:4-8,

"It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned."

  • Burning is symbolic of Destruction (also Nanook's fire was for sure started by Yaoshi (Pyromancer and Pyromaniac Equations) but idk when it happened, it could simply be that mortal Nanook made a wish on the wish granting stars that formed from Akivili's burning body that got warped by Yaoshi (in Fables Part 2 Phainon is called "Prisoner who picked up star fire") but who knows lol)
    • Also Yaoshi's fire is associated with Destruction, but there is also the line in the Hymn of the Stellaron "Let the sacred dew anoint us, uniting all faiths in its truth" (Yaoshi helped in the creation of the Stellarons reference? or at least in the binding of destiny part) and in the Fables Part 1 "the dew that falls from their branches will rid you of sickness and poison" so there exists this dual symbolism of fire and water (the Medicine Buddha was attended to by the Sunlight and Moonlight Boddhisattvas & the fruit (gold) and rotten fruit (blue) did come from the alien tree (Abundance) so the symbolism although confusing is consistent lol)

Also one clear example of Celenova causing people's destiny to fall into Destruction is the scene in Myriad Celestia Exotale: Scene 8

"If they go to the Agate World (Melustanin)... The Stellaron disaster's ground zero... The Express will brush past Celenova. But on the other side of the cosmos, the Xianzhou Alliance will stray from the Trailblaze and return to its original end... The eighth Lord Ravager's ascending wings will sound the prelude to divine war."

  • We know it's Celenova who causes this change in destiny because she is reflected in Jingliu's eye in the next scene (also another example of Order into Destruction symbolism, eye (symbol of Order) on fire (Destruction symbolism))

Celenova's plans seem to heavily involve Melustanin and the Path of Beauty (she is here & she first spread the Stellaron here) however I'm not fully sure of the symbolism but since we do see butterflies in the scene before Celenova appears it could be a reference to Butterfly Tayzzyronth (we know Mythus the Enigmata is helping out with that and Beauty is associated with Enigmata) but who knows lol

Also the only part that I'm not sure of is the Nihility symbolism (the Self Annihilator who died the same moment Tayzzyronth did, Hysilens' also representing Nihility, the shadows surrounding Celenova when she reached for Nanook's golden blood (they all reached together), the shadow who appears while Agate (the Stoneheart) is missing, etc.).

But anyways the big idea is that Celenova and the Trailblazer manipulate destiny (fated paths) in very similar ways, relying on Stellarons :D

u/Rosacea3 — 26 days ago

Elio is the Infant in the Mirror

1) Listening to Finality

"Listen to the infant (End of All Things) in the mirror"

The Myriad Celestia Fables About the Stars Part 1 is addressing the Trailblazer because of the line "Akivili (Trailblazer), depart (Connect the Worlds) once more" (which if so is most likely Aha talking through the crystal chalice (Elation path symbol btw) in Adrien Spencer Smith's dream, the memory of which Black Swan is currently exchanging)

  • "At the end you will return to my embrace" is why I'm thinking the crystal chalice is Aha not Adrien Spencer Smith directly (and Adrien is the one dreaming)

anyways it's very interesting that Aha says to listen to this being connected with Finality, why would we do that? (so it's probably Elio because we do follow his scripts)

2) Infantilization of Elio

Also in the wanted poster of the IPC it says, "Do not hurt the Destiny's Slave, and do not let them lose their ability of independent thinking"

It's very infantilizing, no one talks like this (not hurting makes sense but wdym don't let them lose their ability of independent thinking?? is he so easily influenced?) it's as if they are afraid any premature involvement would make him grow up wrong or something (idk it's very weird).

3) Mirrored Finality

In the section about Beauty there are two different mirrors (that shatter differently) and the three different flowers (idk if Elio is still considered "in the mirror" because both mirrors shatter when it's spoken)

Also, when "The Finality" appears on the screen it appears twice with one mirrored (not backwards, but mirrored (Beauty/mirror reference!?))

  • Why are there two Finalities? (one regular and one mirrored)?

"...the shapeless prince (Against the Current)" the Snow White symbolism is still valid c:

  • Calling Finality a prince? very interesting :o
  • Is this the unmirrored Finality? Aha says listen to the infant in the mirror...and also to the shapeless prince (so now there are two Finalities Aha says to listen to, one of which is mirrored)
u/Rosacea3 — 1 month ago