u/SandmanMasonry

I used a step down approach. Used sr for 23 days to get off suboxone and got down to just using Kratom leaf and some feel free. Been off sr for 10 days now and feel like I’ve stabilized back to Kratom. Where I was about 6 months ago before I started suboxone. The Kratom works, but I’m not so happy taking Kratom. I want to be off all of it.

How long should I wait before doing sr a second time to get off the Kratom? It’s been 10 days. I didn’t have and “sr withdrawal” but was definitely a bit off kilter for 5 weeks from the suboxone withdrawal. I assume the Kratom cessation withdrawal should be shorter and easier. I might only need a 5-8 day sr protocol.

I don’t want to risk getting dependant on the sr in the second round.

Thoughts on how long a break I might need between sr attempts?

So maybe some of you are familiar with my story and intentions. To reiterate, I used sr to quit suboxone successfully! About 4mg per day. The sr took away the vast majority of my wd symptoms. I opted for a longer taper that lasted 23 days. It hasn’t been easy, but I’ve been off SR for 5 days now and while I feared that things would get worse before they got better, it has been the opposite. Every day I’ve been off the sr, I have improved.
I should also note that my intention was to use the sr to get off suboxone with concurrent Kratom use. It was my intention to stay on the Kratom and stabilize for a period of time before I either use ibogaine or a second round of sr to quit the Kratom.

Now I am feeling that I’m stabilizing. The whole time I was on sr. I didn’t feel or notice the Kratom effects whatsoever. This lasted for about 3 days after I stopped the sr, but then yesterday I took about 6g of Kratom powder in the morning and felt that I had taken too much. Today I took 2g of Kratom leaf and felt much better. While I was hesitant that using the sr wasn’t going to lower my tolerance… it seems that it was the sr blunting/blocking the effects, and once the sr was fully out of my system, effects came back.

Ok tmi!

My question is:
How long should I wait off the sr, continuing to taper Kratom powder before I could do another(shorter) sr protocol…
1 week, 1 month, two months?

I beat a 4-6mg a day Suboxone habit with the SR. The first few days of the switch I was calling it a miracle drug, I was so impressed that I was ready to drop my job and devote myself to spreading the word of SR, offering free help to its inventor etc. Truly Impressed.

I opted for a longer protocol based on the long half-life of Suboxone. 22 days today. Everything went immensely well throughout the process. However once my dose started to get under 100ish mg a day my body started to remember what it was like to be sober. I felt a good amount of dysphoria and anhedonia. By the 17th day, I was starting to get terrified I wouldn’t be able to function or maintain my job. Anxiety was ok ish but fear was prominent. Throughout the process I experienced very little physical withdrawal, maybe a day or two of diarrhea.
Other than that, I was able to work a very physically demanding job every day I was supposed to, although I didn’t have an easy time being there, I had a bit of a hard time focusing and just wanted to be bored elsewhere.

When the anhedonia started peaking, a supplement recommended from some in this group arrived. And basically saved my life. Bromantane, popular in the nootropic community. 2 hours after taking it, I felt happy for the first time in weeks, maybe months, probably even years. It was like I remembered the secret joke in my head and all the sudden I could laugh, smile and feel happy again. I would highly recommend it as I think during the opioid detox, my dopamine stopped firing completely and the bromantane brought it back online. I’m on a slew of other more natural supplements.

Yesterday was a 15mg and I can’t say I feel better or worse today. My brain chemistry has obviously been bouncing all over the map the last week, trying to re adapt to a new baseline of relative sobriety. I wish I had cut out Kratom, but thought “one thing at a time” and conquering the suboxone is huge for me. I’ll likely make another attempt for the Kratom when I’ve had a break from SR. The SR definitely seemed to have blunted the effects of Kratom completely for me.

Anyhow, for any people going through this, SR is maybe the biggest game changer in opioid addiction treatment(self treatment). It is truly incredible.
For those of you struggling with opioid addiction. This will help. For those of you struggling near the end or after SR protocol, Remember that it will take some time for all the chemistry of our systems to balance out. It can get better one day and rougher for the next for some time until it levels out, but remember they will level outs suffering isn’t permanent.

Greatly appreciate this forum and all the folks in it helping humans with the human condition. It brings me joy and fills my heart that people really care here.

To all the pioneers I applaud you and wish you continued and lasting success.