u/Scary-Scallion-9753

Hi,

This is a call for help to my fellow protoss players 🙏🏻

I am trying to learn to play with protoss and I really struggle with PvZ. I am in gold 1 now (2600 MMR) with 70% win rate in PvP, 84% win rate in PvT, but 13% win rate against PvZ !

I feel like I just don’t get it… Against P & T I open double gate into 4 stalkers harass before expand (Zuka build), and it works reasonably well. From there, I go into a CIA build on 2 or 3 bases.

But I am completely at loss against zerg. I lose to essentially a new composition every time I play PvZ: today I lost against a guy going Muta, then against a guy who played ling bane (PiG B2GM style on three bases + 2 macro hatches), and then yet against another who played corruptor + ultra.

I realize this is not a balance issue ! I just suck at PvZ. But I just don’t understand how to play the matchup. It feels very hard to secure a third. When playing skytoss, I surive into the late game but get completely rolled over by mass hydra or corrupters + ultralisk, and when I go CIA, I lose to muta + ling.

If there are any build orders or general tipps on how to approach the match up, I’d love to hear it ! Really taking any (ideally constructive haha) advice 🙏🏻

Also, for reference, my main used to be terran at 3000 MMR, but I wanted to try out protoss. So I am not a good player by any means. Maybe good to know for others haha

Hi all,

Before getting into the details, I wanna make clear from which perspective I am talking : I am a platinum player, howering between 2700 and 2900 MMR with all three races, prior to the patch.

I love the game, watch a lof of pro plays (mostly Winter’s casts and Harstem’s and UThermal’s regular content) but am obviously not incredibly good at the game. And to be fair, I also don’t grind or anything: my goal when playing is to have a bit of fun after a good day of work, once or twice a week.

In short: I think I am a casual player, with a good basic understanding of the game, but missing the skills to feel the difference of small balance changes.

When the new patch was released, I figured that it wouldn’t make much of a difference at my level, and that I would certainly be able to just tweak a bit my builds to make them work. However, this hasn’t been the case AT ALL. None of the three races feels as smooth as they used to, the build order aren’t flowing anymore, and overall, the beauty of the perfectly executed build order seems to have been lost. In addition, not knowing any timing anymore makes defending, especially as Protoss, extremely hard.

I am wondering how other low-level players feel about the new patch? Because, obviously, a lot of my losses are skill issue, but falling with all three races from plat 2 to gold 1 seems a lot, even for a new patch. So, my question is: is it just me who’s bad at adapting to the new start? Are others struggling as well? Have some of you found a way out of this?

I think it’s a just a pity that all the existing build orders, more than a decade of collective intelligence, has been thrown out of the window. And feeling completely at loss, with consistent loosing strikes, just doesn’t feel fun anymore. But I also don’t want to quit, because well, it’s SC2 and it’s just the best game I know.

Any help, input or comment is welcomed, from protoss, terran or zerg POV !

Many thanks in advance !