u/SelectTreacle2712

This movie caught me by complete surprise
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This movie caught me by complete surprise

i really cannot say this movie was bad, because in terms of acting it was impecable.

i cannot say the dialogs were unsettling, because they were natural

The story written makes it worse, because in this movie he is not a psycho that gets increasingly mad and a cult leader. He makes a movie about a man becoming a simbol, and refusing its own title, making him hated by the good and the bad.

You can also notice that, discretely, the movie makes some very eerie jokes.

"Even after you spent years in jail with perfect behaviour, avoid trouble and not harm anyone, you sometimes wont get a second chance because of vengeance disguised as justice. "

"The current legal system does not consider a threat someone who orquestrates your death throught legal means, but will consider you a threat if you try to protect yourself."

"There is no punishment for those who rape criminals, but there is if you confess your sins and desire to become a better person."

"You may like the attention of being a celebrity, but what they love is not you, but what they think its you"

"Sometimes people will say they care about you, then expose the most intimate details about your life to the public while calling you insane, humiliating you in national television"

I thought this was a remake of the villain, a new way to interpret his evil in a more realistic and humane way. I was expecting batman, scarecrow, penguin, all of them to be slowly introduced just like how it happened in sonic movies.

And then... he gives up. Not because he thinks its impossible, but because he saw he was not the only one being affected. He heard a guy trying to defend him verbally, only to be strangled to death. He starts to question if people loved him as Arthur Fleck or as The Joker.

Hell, this movie doesnt even seem to be a sequel to the first, it seems to be an "possible bad ending" for the joker.

I understand why people hated this movie, but i cannot bring myself to rate it out of ten because its too unique to have an comparison.

u/Reibudaps4 — 1 month ago
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I just realized that Arthur Fleck's Joker makes the same pose in Court with his arms outstretched triumphantly akin to the ending of the first film.

The level of details in this film is insane.

u/SelectTreacle2712 — 2 months ago
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Joker Folie a Deux Analysis

⚠️ WARNING HAS SPOILERS and wrote this on tumblr before hand ⚠️

Joker Folie à Deux is GENUINLEY such a sad movie and I sympathize about it a lot

i remember watching it on the plane but it really hit me tonight for some reason.

the whole idea is that this guy Arthur is like really mentally unstable (from childhood trauma in the 1st movie) and in the second movie he is going on trial for a murder he committed.

the whole question was whether he intentionally committed the crime. now his lawyer said no because he has an identity disorder (the violent joker) and wasn’t aware of what was happening

now everyone loved him because he killed like 3 rich people and joker soon became a symbol of like anti-corruption and billionaires which everyone needed at the time.

Arthur meets his lover Lee while in trial and she is obsessed with Joker not Arthur but JOKER because of his crazy chaotic and brave personality. actually so much people love him because of Joker and not Arthur which is how he becomes so popular

but in the midst of it all his last trial he fires his lawyer and decides to represent himself CONFESSING he intentionally murdered those 3 billionaires.

this literally causes an uprising and so many jokers want to help him escape and they r ultimately just being violent, but Arthur never accepts the help because there’s a change in him

he hates his violent self and the moment he drops the Joker act everyone turns on him: all his fans and Lee
soon enough he’s killed in the prison cell and it’s all because he “betrayed” Joker.

Just to be clear: joker = violent, chaotic, escape from the oppressed Arthur

so my analysis here is first the use of Joker as a symbol is beautiful but very stupid it reminds me of code geass and Zero being a symbol.

The reason I say is stupid is because the person who made the symbol, Arthur, is turned upon all because he takes accountability and tries to make real change.

Everyone hates him and are too ignorant to accept the fact this symbol they r fighting for is/can be wrong.
This happens so much right now in politics, ethics, like everything (specifically the jubilee videos where people do not give any substantial reasoning) 😭

everyone is using violence as that’s what we were all biologically drived to do but for some reason Arthur is the only one using rationality BUT STILL BE HATED!!!
going back to code geass this is what happens to Zero, everyone wants to use violence and just kill kill kill but he makes planned attacks and sacrifices himself so that the symbol is more clear: Peace NOT Violence.

This is what joker always wanted he was always made fun of and laughed at and all he ever wanted was love and not hate. Everyone misinterpreted him OF COURSE HE WANTED LOVE he literally fell in love with an inmate.

The movie is so sad and Arthur is so misunderstood just like the new Backrooms and Obsession movie.

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u/SelectTreacle2712 — 4 months ago
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How could have “Joker: Folie à Deux” been a better film?

A few ways this film could have been underrated is if Harley Quinn had more action and compassion for the Joker that is not pragmatic. There could also be a real villain unlike Joker and Quinn who could be the victims. They could have also died together at the end sharing a final kiss. What do you think?

u/SelectTreacle2712 — 4 months ago
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Joker was inspired by classic films. What classics should Joker 2 have followed?

As far as I know Joker was based off the classic films “The King of Comedy” & “Taxi Driver”. If I had to choose a classic film for Joker II to go off of it would be “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest”. What would you choose?

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u/Bigjokker78 — 5 months ago
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Folie à deux

so I originally boycotted this movie but I was bored and decided to give it a watch on HBO.

is Hollywood really that allergic to money?

My first impressions were "This isn't as bad as critics made it seem" Joaquin Phoenix did a great job yet again as the Joker.

But holy crap was this movie BAD.

A movie nobody asked for and actively said "No don't do that" was somehow greenlit. I found myself skipping through the god awful musical sections. they're pointless and serve zilch to the story.

The half of the movie going over Fleck in prison isn't terrible then we just see the writers murder the character quite literally.

Fleck flickers between mental states he's not the joker he is the Joker back and forth until he gives up for whatever lazy writing reason. Lady Gaga did a terrible "Quinn" if you really want to call whatever that poor excuse for writing was "Harley Quinn" from the Grape scene to the last scene in the movie what the actual fk was that? You had a critically acclaimed movie with Joker. An absolute blockbuster success fans LOVED it then you go "let's give them what they don't want". This movie was genuinely abysmal. it's quite a shame Joaquin Phoenix was a great Joker. are we going to explore the person who killed him at the end or was the ending the writer admitting "this movie sucks I wrote a definitive ending so I don't have to make a sequel"

The Good? Joaquin Phoenix doing his thing and being a genuinely good actor.

The Bad? literally everything else.

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u/SelectTreacle2712 — 4 months ago
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How do you think audiences would react to Joker (2019) if it came out in 1981?

Hypothetical scenario. Joker was very much influenced by New Hollywood, which was just ending around that time. It’s set in the year 1981.

The most notable Batman production was the Adam West movie and tv show, which was still being rerun a lot. This would be the second feature-length theatrical Batman content since the 1966 film. Superfriends was still running. The New Adventures Of Batman had just ended.

Audiences would not have The Killing Joke or The Dark Knight Returns, it’s biggest comic influences, as reference points. Nor would they have Batman (1989) or The Dark Knight (2008).

What would be the critical consensus? The audience? How would it do at the box office? What would it’s legacy be? How would it impact Batman films in the future?

u/SelectTreacle2712 — 1 month ago