Waltz & Foxtrot: an analysis of difficult figures danced in Dani and Graeme’s routines

Waltz & Foxtrot: an analysis of difficult figures danced in Dani and Graeme’s routines

Anton and Erin dance the fallaway reverse slip pivot, followed by a series of double reverse spins

This may not be quite the post this sub is looking for, but if there’s anyone out there interested in some detail on the choreography – this is an analysis of some of the most difficult figures danced last night on the ballroom side.

While Dani did break hold a fair amount, both she and Graeme had some very difficult combinations in their routines. I believe this is the reason Anton was far more excited about Dani’s dance than the other judges, as the ballroom judge on the panel.

Fallaway reverse slip pivot

Dani danced this at 0:47; Graeme danced this at 0:43.

This step is very difficult for many reasons: the couple are driving and rotating throughout but doing various complex actions with their feet underneath. In the fallaway part of the figure, they need to drive, keeping bodies facing partner, while legs cross behind – plenty of opportunity for the hold to open up too much. In the slip pivot, they need to turn with precision while controlling the feet. At a high level, the rotary lead actually changes throughout the figure to dance this with success.

Graeme did a great job, although he lost control on the slip pivot ever so slightly.

Dani’s was also a great attempt too. she keeps the body to Nikita well in the fallaway. In the slip pivot, she needed to keep the legs more bent into Nikita and closer to the centre of turn, because her right leg in particular, took her the long way round, causing her trouble in the next step. But it is an incredibly difficult step for a beginner follower to attempt.

Combinations increasing difficulty

Both couples kept the difficulty up by including a second difficult figure after the fallaway reverse slip pivot. In Graeme’s case this was the double reverse spin; in Dani’s case this was open telemark.

If you’ve messed up the rotation in the fallaway reverse slip pivot, you’re in big trouble by the time you get to either of these steps.

Graeme: in the double reverse spin, the leader again has a difficult job in terms of controlling rotation and feet, and the leader and follower have different timings for their respective steps which can make this tricky. And, really, in order to dance this figure with any kind of success you need something called “cbm” when entering into the step. Basically you cannot enter this step straight on, your bodies need to be at a slight diagonal.

Graeme did very well; he’s missing some advanced mechanics but that’s to be completely expected, even with his prior dance training.

Dani: in the open telemark, the follower has a heel turn. The heel turn is difficult not just for balance and timing reasons but because really you need to take a huge step as a follower. See Erin in picture 3 above (she's dancing a double reverse spin but the heel turn is very similar).

Now I got super excited when I watched Dani’s rehearsal footage and saw her execute this near perfectly there. Unfortunately, while she had a great attempt on the live show, she struggled a bit more because the pair of them under-rotated the fallaway reverse slip pivot (partly due to Dani taking the long way round with her legs as mentioned above). She still does pull her feet together to do the heel turn but it’s too late – Nikita’s already passed that point in his own footwork.

Overall difficulty

This is why the combination of steps is important when assessing difficulty: given the rehearsal footage Dani would almost undoubtedly have been fine executing the heel turn if coming from a section without hold. She struggled because the step before was very difficult too, but I personally liked that they attempted the two together - it's the beginnings of proper competition style choreo.

The judges are fairly inconsistent about what constitutes a “difficult routine” and, crucially, they seem undecided on whether they want to reward this despite loss of form or not.

Personally I do rank the couples higher based on difficulty, and I will look at the combination of figures danced and where hold is broken and how much – not just the total amount across the number.  Overall, I was very excited to see these difficult combinations so early on in these two routines.

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u/ShortGuidance1359 — 11 days ago

Decoding pros' and judges' competitive dance results

This is a quick, non-comprehensive post because I've seen some confusion on various threads (which I myself may have added to, apologies if that is the case).

Please bear in mind:

Competition results do not define how good a pro is for Strictly. It's an overall benchmark of what you've achieved in competition - it says nothing about how good a teacher you are, and how nice or supportive you are to your partners. There are also an absolute plethora of factors that goes into one's competitive results - including: when you split with your partner, if you were able to find a new one etc. As an example, I believe Aljaz is one of the best standard ballroom dancers we've had on the show; he stopped competing early so his results are not super high.

Non-career Amateur level

Across various age groups you have the following categories: Beginner, Novice, Intermediate and Pre-Amateur or Pre-Championship. These categories are different in the US btw, to make things more confusing.

-Graeme, the contestant on Strictly, danced between Novice and Pre-Am but in the over-35 and over-50 age group. His results at Pre-Am level were not very high; in Intermediate he did a bit better.

Career level dancers

Different federations

The dance world is a political nightmare, and politics at the top (retired dancers who now judge - think Shirley type calibre, although she's not heavily involved in the mess) means that the dance world has sadly split into a number of federations.

In the UK (and US and Asia), the vast majority of dancers stayed with the traditional federation - WDC. In continental Europe, many left to dance for WDSF, although because WDC is considered a higher standard at pro level, some then come back to dance for WDC when they turn professional. As far as I'm aware, WDSF has a lot of world championships throughout the year, and I think pros like Nadiya were world champions in WDSF. I don't know enough about this federation to comment on various results here.

WDC competition results

These tend to be defined by how they placed in four major competitions at world level: Blackpool (or British Open); UK Open; International Championships; World Championships. Generally speaking, these competitions are all of the same calibre. (There is a whole mess ongoing with some of these as well, which I'm not going to go into, but results at the UK Open and International Championships are reliable as a benchmark).

Juvenile, Junior and Youth

You can be a champion in these age groups. Youth is U21, Junior is U16.

-AJ Pritchard and Chloe Hewitt were Youth Champions at Blackpool in Latin.

-Maddie Ingoldsby and her partner were Youth Champions at Blackpool, the UK Open and Internationals in Ballroom.

10 Dance

-The 10 dance world championships are not as well-attended as the majors listed above, because most dancers specialise in ballroom or latin from a fairly young age. Those that attend these world championships tend to be very young.

-What is notable about Maddie is that although she and partner were making semi-finals in the amateur category in ballroom in Major events, they were still also competing in amateur latin. That's almost unheard of these days, and very cool that they still made time to do latin, even if their results in this category were not at the same level as in ballroom.

Amateur Quarter Finalists

Of the current crop (and I may be missing some - this isn't on purpose, I'm just going off this from memory today)

-Amy Dowden is an Amateur Latin Quarter Finalist (she did dance one or two comps in professional after Strictly, but because she was concentrating on Strictly at this point the results weren't super high)

-Cristian Prior and Aleksandra Isaeva are Amateur Latin Quarter Finalists

Amateur Semi Finalists

-Carlos Gu is an Amateur Latin Semi Finalist

-Maddie Ingoldsby is an Amateur Ballroom Semi Finalist

Amateur Champions

-Neil and Katya Jones were Amateur Latin Champions.

-Matthew and Nicole Cutler were Amateur Latin Champions.

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Professional Level

Top level Amateur dancers when turning professional will tend to go straight into the quarter, semi, or final in pro. Neil and Katya, as former Amateur Champions, went straight into the semi in their first professional competition.

Professional Quarter Final

-Anton Du Beke and Erin Boag were Professional Ballroom Quarter Finalists.

Professional Semi Final

-Brendan Cole and Camilla Dallerup were Professional Latin Semi Finalists.

-Ian Waite and Camilla Dallerup were Professional Latin Semi Finalists.

-John Byrnes I believe was a Professional Latin Semi Finalist.

Professional Final

-Neil and Katya Jones were in the Professional Latin Final.

-Matthew and Nicole Cutler were in the Professional Latin Final.

Professional Champions

-Shirley Ballas has won several majors in Latin. What is notable is that she won at a very young age with one partner, changed partners to Corky, Mark's dad, who at the time was not a great dancer, and then won 10 years later with him, having trained him up.

-Paul Killick and Hanna Kartunnen won one or two majors in Professional Latin.

-Hazel Newberry has won all the majors in Professional Ballroom.

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u/ShortGuidance1359 — 23 days ago

16 best technical Quicksteps ranked – from the excellent to the impossible

Strictly Pro Maddie and ex-partner Mark showcase the three main positions in Quickstep, mirrored by three Strictly couples, all of whom do a great job at achieving these

Aside from Tasha’s waltz, there is really only one other dance (ballroom or latin) on Strictly that manages to touch high level competitive quality - basically achieving the impossible. You may be able to guess which it is; this post will explain why, while also looking at the remaining 15 best quicksteps, many of which are brilliant too.

In the Quickstep you’re basically looking for two things:

  1. Maximum floor coverage in the smoothest possible manner.
  2. Togetherness. The more difficult and dynamic you can make your choreo while staying together the better.

In order to achieve these, you need impeccable frame, footwork, and timing – particularly in relation to body positioning. There are three main body positions in ballroom: closed (default), promenade (both partners look and move in the same direction), and outside partner (bodies turned towards each other at an angle but legs move parallel to each other rather than in between).

Leaders have to lead the body positioning with precise timing, just ahead of when the follower needs to get there. If either party dance the wrong position, or the lead is wrong or too late, chances are there’s bumpiness in the couple.

In the image above you can see new pro Maddie (a fantastic ballroom competitor) and her former partner Mark hit these positions, alongside some of our celebs, all of whom are in lovely positions too. Maddie and Mark are so good with positioning and with their frame that you can stop a video of them at any point and they look picture perfect. This consistency allows for quality of movement.

(Most leaders on Strictly are not going to manage to develop a great understanding of the different body positions during their time on the show – let alone have the coordination to produce the positions at the speed at which quickstep is danced. It’s just too advanced. Those that do are an anomaly.)

Swing content – where real dynamism shines

There are two broad types of content in quickstep: runs and swing. We mentioned that you want to be able to dance a dynamic routine. The way you achieve this is largely through the quality of the swing content. This is the part of the quickstep routine where the heels and feet drive through steps – you often see it through steps that spin, pivot or move up and down the floor in a zig zag pattern – without running or hopping.

For most of the celebs on Strictly, you can tell when they’re dancing swing because these will be the “slower sections” they dance where they essentially stop moving so much – they don’t have the quality to make these sections silky smooth with loads of drive or alternatively, super dynamic. 

The best quickstep dancers, however, will dance quick and dynamic swing pieces too – often with a huge amount of sway if they are capable of creating this.

The 16 best Strictly quicksteps, ranked - all of which are excellent (I’ve probably forgotten a few so do shout in the comments)

  1. Colin Jackson. Lovely feet in the runs – doesn’t lift them too high off the floor which is correct, allowing for smoothness of movement. Distractingly, though, leads everything through his arms in a manner which is totally incorrect – you can see him actively pushing Erin into the promenade positions. Also makes footwork errors on the swing sections meaning the movement and drive is not as smooth on the slower bits as it could be. No sway.

  2. Ore Oduba. Dances a very nice series of difficult changes of position (flitting between closed and outside partner) from 0:23. Arms are far better than Colin’s. Overall, though, looks like he’s jogging at the gym: not enough ankle and leg control to keep the movement smoother. No sway.

  3. Alexandra Burke. Gets into some lovely promenade positions. Some lovely light feet in the swing sections although looks to be missing a couple of heel leads. First run is very nice and smooth, but once they start the step hops (0:33) they are not in the correct position (if I’m honest I’m not sure this is Alexandra’s fault), leading to bumpiness. Both of them are picking their feet far too high off the ground in the scatter chasses from 0:35 leading to a lack of smoothness and Alex’s head is too far to the left.

  4. Molly Rainford. Beautiful movement across the floor and the pivots right at the beginning are gorgeously danced, although they could drive more. Usually I love Carlos’ ballroom, but in this dance both he and Molly are picking their feet off the floor way too high in the step hops (both in the final and original videos). If you watch ballroom specialists – while they have moments where they jump for effect, in the step hops and scatter chasses they keep their ankles as close to the ground as possible for maximum smooth movement.

  5. Kelvin Fletcher. The run from 0:53 to 1:01 is lovely and smooth. But the scatter chasses from 1:23 get pretty bumpy because he’s not leading the position changes (it is hard to be fair) and also he’s basically bouncing up and down on the spot rather than travelling them. There is no sway and – importantly – this is the only routine listed here with no swing choreography whatsoever – difficulty therefore far lower than any of the others and missing a key element of the quickstep.

11)  Alesha Dixon. Keeps with Matthew beautifully – never picks the feet too much off the floor, keeping movement clean. Lacks a little dynamism of some of the higher ranked ones and gets fairly stiff in the spine – head appears stuck in closed position and the stiffness impacts the shoulder line when she’s turned to promenade position – you can see this quite clearly from 1:38 until the end of the routine.

  1. Karim Zeroual. Lovely frame. His “wing span” is extremely wide and he keeps it up for the whole dance. Musicality is superb and footwork and movement generally very nice. Karim’s real issue is in the swing sections and in the leading of positions (and as we said above, it is hard). At 0:40 in the video from the final he is not leading the promenade position, instead he is dropping his heel too early, causing them to bump (this moment is better in his Week 7 attempt, but in that version he has positioning issues at other moments e.g. going into promenade at 0:52). Can be walky in the swing sections in both versions – spin turns in particular are weak from a footwork perspective. No sway.

  2. Ashley Roberts. This is a difficult routine (on the follower’s side, it’s perhaps only trumped by Claudia’s and Katie Derham’s in difficulty). The first few bars are astounding and the tipsy at 0:58 is gorgeous. The timing and musicality is stunning. That said, right from the off her right arm is locked straight, which paves the way for future problems. She loses the quality as soon as she turns to promenade from 0:31 – she doesn’t get far enough around Pasha in the turn before, causing a bump between them, and then subsequently if you catch a camera angle from the back when they’re in promenade, you can see the arms are in the wrong position. The bumpiness when transitioning from position to position throughout – combined with a general lack of drive across the floor – makes this lower ranked than some of the others.

  3. Layton Williams. I prefer his attempt to Ashley and Karim because it does the job of quickstep better: it’s travelling around the floor to the maximum that one can, with great movement and few errors. Also, people who say Layton didn’t improve – his quickstep in the final is evidence that he did. In week 2, he was picking up his feet in the step hops like Molly, but by the final, his feet are clean. He is in a lovely outside partner position from 0:42 and the swing section (1:06-1:15) is clean too, although there are moments that they could travel more here. Doesn’t quite have the dynamism of some of the higher placed dances in the basic ballroom sections and occasionally slips into skippiness.

  4. Aj Odudu. This is exactly what you want from floor coverage. It’s incredible. The pivots are extremely dynamic and beautifully danced. She gets blocked in the back which hampers her ability to stay as smooth and as with her partner quite as much as the person ranked just above her. That said, the volume of movement is lovely.

6) Lisa Snowdon. This is smooth as silk. (They seem to dance two quicksteps, the one I’m watching is the blue dress from the semi, although the pink dress one is pretty much the same level in quality). They start fairly quiet, with a swing section danced really nicely from 0:11. Then, at 0:25 they start to run, and they absolutely cover the floor. To be able to be this consistently smooth you’ve got to have outstanding control over the ankles and knees – you are relying solely on the quality of your movement. And they do have some highlights: at 0:32 she jumps into a contra check (after having danced the most beautiful outside partner position).

She’s another one who gets blocked in the back later on in the routine, impacting her frame and could drive a little more overall, but the togetherness achieved is lovely.

  1. Chelsee Healey. Absolutely love this attempt. More than any of the others so far, she is properly driving when she’s moving forward. Floor coverage is brilliant and gets into a lovely promenade position. A difficult routine with loads of changes of direction which she dances exquisitely. Occasionally picks feet too high off the floor in the step hops and gets bumpy in the scatter chasses from 1:13 onwards in the video of the final, dancing on the spot rather than travelling (same issue in the Week 4 version).

  2. Ricky Whittle.

We’ve arrived at a celeb leader with swing and sway! Unlike the previous leaders, whose arms were always just held at the same level, he actually has shaping (aka sway) and it’s created correctly for the most part.

Lovely natural turn to commence the routine at 0:16 – there’s proper sway there – but on the spin turn that follows, puts his heel down too early, and collapses left side of the frame slightly (this is from the final, he dances this moment better in the original but dances some of the other swing sections worse). Recovers really nicely though. The whole swing section from the beginning through to 0:24 is gorgeous – properly driving and shaped vey well. The run he dances subsequently in promenade is absolutely wonderful.

Like many of the others, loses the quality when entering the scatter chasses (0:35) because doesn’t close his body enough back from promenade. They start to get a little bit rattly between them. At this point, he is also swaying by collapsing his side too far. But he does recover and they dance another lovely swing section at 0:54.

  1. Maisie Smith.

Maisie follows Gorka’s body positioning to absolute perfection in every single ballroom dance, and this one is no exception. Her feet are astounding. I’m going to be honest and say I think she dances this better than Gorka, who does a number of distracting things like leading with his arms at times by moving them up and down. He also picks his feet up in the step hops but Maisie does not copy this incorrect action, dancing them correctly herself. I don’t want to dismiss Gorka’s ability in ballroom though, despite being a latin pro and doing a few odd things in this number, he has clearly taught her extremely well and he’s choreographed an absolutely beautiful routine.

The tipsys from 1:38 are a total joy. Most beginners will fail at this point to keep their sides long, tipping too far on one side or the other, but Maisie is perfect.

The reason she’s not further up is that the quality of movement is not on par with the top 2. In the scatter chasses there is an increase in bumpiness with the feet compared to the best ones; and – in particular – the swing section from 1:30 to 1:35 has extremely limited drive (I’ve watched both versions and these issues are present in the earlier one too). In fact, the drive in swing is probably lower than anyone else in the Top 8. But she still thoroughly deserves this high placement because of her incredible following, frame and feet.

  1. Claudia Frangapane.

 When Craig and Darcey watched this fiendishly difficult routine, the most dynamic but also smooth quickstep so far, danced pretty much to perfection – with an enormous height difference which they somehow manage to completely overcome with no issue – and still thought, nahh it’s only worth a 9….gahhh. You have to laugh or you’d cry lol. (Jason Donovan’s tango got the same score! The one where he’s on straight legs leisurely pottering about the floor!)

No doubt it was the minutiae of gapping they occasionally have. Someone needs to tell Craig this: there is a difference between gapping and becoming bumpy. Even pro couples gap from time to time. The point of quickstep is quality of movement, not perfect body contact. While Claudia and AJ do gap, they never get bumpy because her positions are always correct.

There is tons of swing choreography and this is why this quickstep is so beloved. Had they just run about the room, we’d be impressed but not blown away. Crucially, when they are dancing the swing, they drive and move! They don’t just stop being dynamic like many of the previous couples on this list. The floor coverage is unbelievable. There are loads of rhythm changes in the feet which are subtle but keeps the routine incredibly exciting – and these are difficult to dance.

The very tiny flaws are as follows: the head positioning and extension from the sternum aren’t quite right – her head is often tipped backwards into AJ’s space. But that’s the height difference; she has no other option.

There are also a couple of heel leads missed from Claudia (AJ does use his heels), most notably in the two sections of pivots which she dances on the tips of her toes. This may partly explain why they get windmilly, which you don’t want to get in ballroom – you always want to travel more than you sway, even in rolling pivots which have exaggerated sway. But Len overlooked these tiny errors, and Craig has given many a worse dance a 10 before. There isn’t really any excuse not to give this a perfect 40.

1) Harry Judd (final version – Blackpool tower – video from AlionaFan27)

It is mind-blowing how you could pretty much slot this dance into a decent level competition and it wouldn’t stand out negatively. All other Strictly routines, no matter how stunning, do have tells that the dancers are not ballroom or latin trained to a high level (Tasha's waltz aside). Even Kara’s rumba is a bit off balance.

The cherry on top is that Harry had no prior dance training at all!

The opening swing section (0:20 to 0:27) is the most difficult swing section danced by anyone on this list. They start with a natural turn, followed by a spin turn, then straight into a series of varied and advanced rotary figures. Harry dances the swing basically faultlessly.  You can see at 0:20, before he goes into the natural turn, that he moves his left arm and side backwards slightly to prepare for the swing into the turn. He’s the only leader to use his feet correctly in the spin turn, with superb ankle strength – there’s no collapsing to one side like Ricky or basically picking up and placing the feet like Karim.

He then takes this to the next level and uses the momentum from the spin turn to swing through the fast rotatory figures that follow, while still controlling his feet. This is pretty advanced. The rolling pivots are not as windmilly as Claudia and AJ, they travel more.

His sway throughout is superb. Pause the video from the final at any moment and his arms are pretty much never dead parallel to the ground – they’re always at an angle. On top of this, the sway is created correctly – while Ricky (the only other leader who can sway at all) sometimes collapses his side to create the shape, Harry’s is nearly always correctly derived from the hips. Sway, alongside footwork, helps to control the momentum.

You’ll notice that they are the couple that are by far the most together throughout the routine. Aliona is a superb ballroom dancer so this is partly the reason, but the other reason is that Harry leads all the positions correctly – and early enough for Aliona to stay in the right position. You can see this very clearly in the jump hop from promenade to closed at 0:40, but he’s pretty consistent with it throughout. Being a drummer, his sense of timing helps with this. But it’s one thing to hear it in the music and another to have the coordination to achieve it.

Their movement across the floor is just unmatched, produced by beautiful footwork. The tower is much bigger than the Strictly studio and they make that floor look small. Both of them have brilliant ankle control and proper use of the inside edges of feet to achieve this – their feet stay very close to the floor, they never pick them up unduly unless it’s to emphasise a particular jump. When Harry needs to stop the momentum (e.g. 0:46), he uses sway and the inside edges of his feet beautifully.

The stamina you need to achieve the consistency and difficulty throughout the dance is not to be underestimated. Those split jumps from 1:13 are right at the end of the routine and they are really, really hard to dance. When Karim and Amy danced a split jump, they danced a single one, then immediately broke out of hold, to make the exit easier. Not only does Harry dance several of these in a row really well, keeping his top line very still, he does them right at the end of a pretty taxing routine (try running on a treadmill with your arms in the ballroom position – elbows at the same height of your shoulders for 2 minutes – it’s tiring, and you’re not even taking into account having to move with another person, combined body heat etc).

Finally, Harry is the only leader on Strictly to get his frame anywhere near a high-level standard ballroom specialist of today. These days, the frame is ultra exaggerated in terms of high wide and straight it is. See Maddie’s dance partner in the pictures – he is beautifully stretched through his spine and his arms are always dead straight from elbow to elbow, his left hand is high and never going flat (he’s actually got one of the best frames of young dancers in the world). Harry’s position is the closest we’ve ever had on Strictly to that, in any dance, for any celeb leader – and he maintains it throughout the entire challenging number.

I could go on forever about this dance and I already have written an essay lol. But it is definitely the best quickstep and a pretty strong contender for best technical dance ever too.

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u/ShortGuidance1359 — 1 month ago

Paso doble: conveying emotion through technique - celeb analysis

If you take the very basic steps of the paso, they're probably the easiest for a non-dancer to do of the entire 10 dance repertoire. You are stamping and marching, with a few swivels, spins and heel turns here and there.

But the paso is very difficult at an advanced level. The difficulty comes from maintaining the distinct posture while conveying an entire story: timing, emotion and varying levels of intensity through the body, all of which require high levels of dance technique.

Shaping and posture

As with all the ballroom and latin dances, the work is done from the feet upwards. The posture is created from pushing the tailbone down through the feet so that the hip flexors are over the balls of the feet. When you do the action you should feel the pressure through the feet into the ground. Tilt the pelvis forward on its own without this downward pressure through the floor and you're going to get into a lot of trouble when actually trying to move and shape correctly. When extra shaping is required on certain steps to emphasise the choreography or step, this should also be created from the feet and legs, through bending and/or twisting the legs correctly and then continuing the exaggerated line through the body.

Marching with resistance

There is a lot of marching forward in paso. At the lower levels beginners may be taught to just walk these as you would normally walk down the street. This is to avoid bending the knees too much or misunderstanding the posture.

At a more advanced level, you always want to be using your hips and thighs to move the feet. Particularly in slow steps, this will give the correct effect as if moving through resistance. In the march forwards in promenade position, the upper body should stay facing partner. You move forwards by stepping onto the front foot, then pulling the back foot in with the hips and thighs, maintaining the correct posture described above.

Building tension to highlights

The cherry on top in paso is being able to build tension in the way the routine is danced to then hit various highlights. Paso is unique in that in the competitive world it is nearly always danced to the same song: "Espana Cani".

The song starts like a rumble and then builds. Couples will therefore often start the paso with simmering tension between the two of them, and then deliberately and gradually build intensity - through increasing speed, opening up their posture, opening out more to the audience - until they reach the various musical highlights, which will often seem them hit dramatic positions.

Four top couples hit a highlight in paso in different ways

If you have time you could watch a short pro paso number danced in competition, in order to try to understand which Strictly couples get closest to capturing this. It is the most exciting dance to witness. If you search Pro Latin Paso Doble - International Championships 2016 (DSI TV) into youtube then you get one that focuses on a number of different couples - all of whom were world finalists at this point in time. Also, Strictly alum Karen Hardy is the voice introducing them at the start 😄.

On Strictly:

Storytelling through musicality

The following Strictly pasos are a little less notable for authentic technique, but scored highly due to the musicality demonstrated in the way they were danced.

Susannah and Kevin

Great attempt to correctly create shaping which is really hard for someone without dance training. Some really nice moments e.g. nice extension on chasse capes at 0:46. In the actually paso dancing, lacks a little in terms of the feet and legs e.g. twists from 0:33, not quite moving round Kevin enough, gets ever so slightly off kilter by the end. Chasse in chasse cape needs more usage of legs and feet to dance these with impact.

Karen and Carlos

My favourite section of this is from 1:08 to 1:16. She has some really lovely attempts to get the correct posture. Most notably, she dances beautiful slows through the body at the turn commencing 1:10/1:11, and then spins quickly the other way, showing stunning contrast. However, this routine has fewer basics than some of the others listed, and the lack of stability in the top half of the body does impact the smoothness of the movement a little.

Tom Fletcher and Amy

The section 0:43-0:55 - particularly the contrast in the spins - demonstrates lovely musicality. The first spin is soft, the second one is much more attacking but still in an elegant way. This is hard to do. The arms are really nicely timed to the music, feet are nice at 0:50 (although the posture goes a bit) and then achieves a good position at 0:54 - chest is open correctly to allow the shaping. Overall, the routine isn't danced enough into the ground, it's a bit too "balletic", and he is definitely walking those marching steps rather than using resistance with the thighs.

George and Alexis

Some absolutely lovely contrast in slows and quicks shown through the feet and legs. Nice attempt at the posture; could open the chest a tad more. Overall needs more resistance through the thighs (although there are places where he achieves this!) and lifts the ankle far too high on the appels (the stamping step).

Austin and Erin, to Espana Cani!

Like with most of Austin’s dances, great timing and really smooth movement across the floor. Shows incredible balance at 1:34! Lovely twists at 1:39. Could do more to create the paso posture and there isn’t much basic paso in the choreo.

Beautiful basics

Ellie and Vito

I feel this dance revolutionised how pasos are choreographed on the show for contenders and it's thanks both to the choreography and the way Ellie danced the number. Prior to this, there’d be a few basics thrown in here and there, but it felt like a lot of the focus was on flamenco steps and cape work, with the odd chasse cape or twist included. [For the better dancers anyway; John Sergeant’s paso is a very fun watch for anyone who’s missed it and is packed with basics!]

This routine is almost all basic choreography so there’s no absolutely no room for hiding. Had Ellie danced it badly, it could have been dull as dishwater (remember how we said the basic moves are essentially walking?) She performs a spectacular twist turn at 1:03 (video from the final) with incredible shaping, then open telemark - footwork spot on - then chasse cape danced very well.

Loses a little in the quality from the fregolina (from 1:11) onwards. Footwork remains clean but loses posture, shaping and the advanced way of marching - starts to get a bit walky (Vito meanwhile is still shaping very dramatically). Furthermore, could accentuate certain moments, such as when they are back to back and she reaches the farthest points of their arms on each side (see Lauren in JB’s routine from 0:25 as something to aspire towards). Stays at a similar level for the rest of the number.

Still a very special routine - both of them are absolutely iconic for producing this basic paso ad dancing it so spectacularly.

Sarah and Vito

Vito does another gorgeous basic routine with Sarah. This only scored 32! It is just brilliant - the speed and timing - the way she waits for him to turn, then turns herself from the beginning of the chasse cape (1:10) to the separation (1:15). Separation step is also danced very well. The spins at 1:22!! In order to improve further, could have more resistance with the legs, particularly during the slow section at the beginning. You can see Vito absolutely do this himself - look at the way he pulls his leg in slowly at 0:37 and then the subsequent marching steps he does - he’s not walking them, he’s using the hip to pull his feet in the manner described above. Sarah could also have a little more emphasis in the paso posture and in holding the beat during the slows to accentuate quickness which follows.

Annabel and Johannes

This is danced to Espana Cani!

Another routine packed with basic choreography, in the best way. This lady has the most beautiful feet in dancing. She also demonstrates some amazing flexibility e.g. 0:43. The chasse capes which follow are danced to perfection - there’s no becoming heavy on Johannes - everything is done through the feet. I love the extended leg she does to highlight the music at 0:54 - it’s this kind of attention to detail that is actually quite difficult to teach a beginner and shows impeccable musicality and balance on Annabel’s part. In order to properly build properly with the music, needs to show a little more contrast and resistance through the body. I feel she does an excellent job at this in the slow motion section right at the beginning, but the second time they dance a slow section at 1:04 you can see the difference in resistance and emphasis of slows and quicks in Johannes when compared to Annabel. Johannes then attacks much more from 1:22 onwards in comparison to Annabel.

Amber and Nikita

Amber was notable for her beautiful foot placements in the latin dances and for producing clean and elegant routines. The spins at 0:42 are incredible. Lovely attempts (better than the previous ones mentioned) to build gradually until the ending, which she attacks. Also a much better attempt at creating resistance through the body and legs during the slows. Could use the legs and feet to propel herself into and out of lines with a bit more power and - most notably - out of Nikita’s way more in the steps in hold where they are rotating around each other e.g. the twists at 1:09 onwards, where they tend to get more and more closed in spacing towards the end of the series.

Tasha and Aljaz

Those spins at 0:55 are grace personified! She has immense control over her legs and feet, allowing her to dance those quick moments at 0:32 without looking remotely unsmooth. She also does a better job at 0:46 of propelling herself out of Aljaz's way with her legs than Amber during the series of twists. Could have more of the paso posture and more grounding into the floor.

Danny and Oti

One of the best attempts of the leaders to create and maintain the correct posture throughout. When they are in hold, his arms are in the right position - they are nice and compact and high. Like in his samba, the power he can generate from his legs is unmatched. The leap at 0:58! Needs more control through the legs in this through resistance to make it look calmly powerful and intense; gets a little bumpy when dancing quick movements.

Jay and Aliona

Doesn't achieve the authentic paso posture, but I really love the attack into the ground with the legs. In the other dances of Jay's I've watched so far he has been too light above the floor. This, meanwhile, is perhaps the most grounded of any of the pasos so far. Some really good attempts to march with resistance (e.g. 0:48). Lovely slow twist at 1:06 - danced with tons of resistance - followed by quick twists.

The best pasos

Molly and Carlos

Best attempt of the followers so far to stay grounded and into the floor. Her footwork, as always, is second to none. This is a routine that properly builds, both in the choreo and the way it is danced. The beginning fast section where they are going around the floor is intense - both of their chins are slightly down to highlight this - and there's amazing attention to detail in how they look first at the audience, then at each other at 0:38. Then they gradually open the posture as the routine continues. The section at 1:16 is out of this world - if you just watched the video from this point you'd think it was slow motion. Without resistance and control, you would not get that effect. And the core strength she needs to do that drop slowly is insane. Her spins are incredible.

John and Johannes

This is so impressive. Of the leaders, he is by the far the most consistent with both posture and quality. The posture is really good, particularly in the way he keeps his chest very open throughout. He's very grounded into the floor and his footwork is very clean. He also looks like he understands what's required in leading - see the moment at 0:47 where he provides Johannes with the perfect amount of opposition in his body - not sure many if any of the other leaders quite achieve this. And he does a bit of following too and dances that very nicely. My one tiny critique is that his hold it is too open. Paso hold is notorious for being compact and high and John's is too wide. But it's a tiny flaw in an otherwise powerful and smooth number.

JB and Lauren

I feel this guy is so underrated. In a competition, he'd probably fare worse than John in the paso, because he isn't able to keep the quality of the posture and dancing throughout as well, but there are moments when he demonstrates power and musicality that are just unmatched by anyone else. The section from 0:38 to 0:58 is incredible. You can see the posture throughout, created from the floor. The musicality and the way he dances the accents in the little section from 0:41 blows me away. Lovely shaping at 0:56, combined with a wonderful attempt to move the feet using the legs.

Layton and Nikita

When you understand the elements of the paso - control over the legs and feet, beautiful lines, strength through posture, and above all, the ability to convey emotion through technique - it's no surprise that Layton triumphs. To those that say "this isn't a traditional paso", there are a fair few basic pasos moves in here which he dances so well. The chasse capes from 0:41 are danced correctly and the best ladies in the world will dance them with the kind of extension he does at 0:43 (although there aren't a huge number, even top professionals, with that much flexibility in the back!!). The open telemarks he dances from 0:49 are difficult and again danced nicely. There is always resistance when he's moving his legs.

Then at 1:08, he ramps up, maintaining sensuality before properly attacking towards the end of the routine. I love the section from 1:08 so much - the backing dancers are all there with him but Layton’s still dancing directly to Nikita (rather than the audience), who's just watching. The jump spin at 1:26 afterwards and the spins that follow are unbelievably difficult...who else is going to be capable of that?!

He makes everything look so effortless, while delivering a really good attempt at proper paso technique and taking you on a ride of different emotions in a way that no other celeb can quite achieve.

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u/ShortGuidance1359 — 1 month ago

Tango, the weird sister of the ballroom family - technique comparison

Hello all. I briefly got picked up in Reddit's automated spam filter for my posts containing too many links. Lost my account for a day - everything was wiped, had to appeal. Lovely Strictly mods weren't sure what had happened either. Appeal was successful and now things are restored.

Continuing with this series with no links and each post will be less frequent than before; happy to answer comments in the meantime!

The ballroom misfit

Tango is the weird sister of the ballroom family and it's what makes her so special and exciting. The technique is different from the other ballroom numbers: you don't need to keep your feet on the ground at all times - in fact you are supposed to pick them up and place them as you march across the floor taking large steps.

The knees are extremely bent throughout this entire dance. There is pretty much no rise and fall (there are certain steps where you do change level but overall it's a flat dance). A tell with a beginner as to whether they are attempting tango properly is whether they are low enough to the ground.

Everything is much sharper - the arms are in a slightly different position (follower hooks their left hand in/near leader's armpit) to give more sharpness in the frame. Head snaps about in select moments.

Contrast

That said, tango is a dance of contrasts - it's not all sharpness and attack. You've got moments of fluidity and also moments of pause, in order to make the sharpness stand out more.

While the feet and head are often really going for it, the upper body must stay relatively still! This is massively important and one of the ways in which contrast is shown.

Have a look at Strictly's own Jo Clifton dancing the tango. I don't want to risk linking to the video but if you search for Paolo Bosco - Joanne Clifton | Tango | Stars Duet into youtube then a wonderful tango show they do should come up.

Elegantly holding in a wee: the promenade position

Joanne Clifton and partner Paolo Bosco in the promenade position

Above, you can see Jo and her partner in a great promenade position. There's a lot of stopping in this position in tango. You can see how bent the knees are into each other, and the feet are pressing in with the inside edges, waiting to peel off and attack the next bar.

As one ballroom teacher described it, the follower looks like she's (very elegantly!) holding in a wee at this moment - the thigh and knee are very tucked into her body, leg kind of squatting at this funny angle, foot nicely resting on the inside edge. Your feet in tango often turn in when you move, so ballet dances may struggle with this element.

A common error with beginners in promenade position is that they open the lower half far too much so that it all faces us, with the knees not into partner but facing forwards, and the hips doing the same. It's important to try to attempt getting the right position because if you don't have it, you're going to block yourself, both in terms of your movement, and your flexibility in extending.

Timing

In the timing, we don't want a tango that just runs about. Paolo and Joanne dance lots of slows, as well as quicks. They have lots of staccato, where the beats are fast and sharp, and they have lots of rubato, where they hold on to the beat and then dance an accented quick movement at the end.

Unlike in the other ballroom dances, you have moments in tango where the movement stops completely. You need fantastic foot control to achieve this effectively.

Lead and follow

This is the cherry on top to make the tango look effective. While in tango the follower is sometimes allowed to turn the head independently of the leader's positioning for effect, if the leader is giving a quick change of direction with his body, the follower needs to respond with that action. You can absolutely see it in the video - Joanne's not just dancing a memorised routine, she's responding to Paolo's lead, and this is what makes it look so dynamic. This is difficult for the celebs to properly learn how to do, but those that can achieve it in certain moments look absolutely spectacular.

Let's look at the best Strictly tangos.

Fabulous show-style tangos

There are some tangos that are not quite ballroom tango in the style that they were danced (rather than in the choreo). But the dancers are so good you almost don't care. They would make excellent show tangos on stage.

Kimberly Walsh

This is an exquisite dance. The movement is absolutely beautiful. The lines she achieves are gorgeous! But for competitive tango, the posture is not quite right. There are moments she slouches away from Pasha, with her top half peeling away and her head poking forward. It's most clear at 0:50 they dance a series of steps that accent the instrumental section. She's also too much to his left by this point - they're barely connected, more like side by side - and quite clearly dancing independently of him for much of the routine. But she has such impeccable musicality that it doesn’t look distracting.

Jay McGuinness

What makes Jay so special? You never see the effort when he dances, and some of the things he dances are very, very difficult. Look at the telespin type move at 0:23 - he spins them both round with no effort, blink and you'd almost miss it. His posture though is not right for competitive tango - he's not bending his knees in towards Aliona in the promenades at 0:38 and he's leaning over her with his chest as a result. He's so good at moving that it doesn't particularly hinder his movement but the movement does not look as much like a comp tango number as some of the others.

Kara Tointon

In my view does a better job with keeping the posture authentic than the two above. That said, she is far too high in the legs - not bending her knees enough - so they don't quite drive around the floor as you would in a competitive tango.

BUT please watch the section at 0:55 for lead and follow if you've ever wondered what that should look like on Strictly (the video I'm citing is from youtube account fschnell). It's astoundingly good. She looks like she's following his lead to perfection and that's what makes this look so impactful. She's not moving at the same time as Artem, she's moving just after him in a manner that is totally correct - he gives the impulse first with his body and then she follows it by extending dramatically.

Zoe Ball

Stunning choreo. Does the same thing as Kimberly but more pronounced - slouches away from Ian from the stomach. Not always following, but dances with huge elegance and moves across the floor well in steps like the pivots.

Denise Van Outen

Beautiful kicks and divine pivots. Moves very gracefully across the floor. Far too upright in the posture, both in the extension from the back and - particularly - in the knee department.

Jason Donovon

Oh Jason. I'm going to put you in here because you scored so highly, which meant I watched your video for this, and there may be folk wondering about you. A lovely fun routine, performed with great energy. He does dance a nice reverse turn. The rest of it is a little perplexing. His legs are incredibly straight, akin to going for a gentle meander, and he's totally open in the promenade positions when he should be towards Kristina in the way that Joanne's partner is above.

Great attempts at competitive authenticity

Debbie and Giovanni

Lovely choreography from Giovanni. Debbie has lovely feet but she opens far too much in the promenades with the bottom half - she's not in that "I need a wee" position, losing her posture and hampering her movement. She also dances accents independent of Giovanni's lead - sometimes too early and sometimes too late - can look "rattly" as a result.

Rose and Giovanni

Absolutely beautiful, clean dancing. Lacks movement across the floor and choreo is a little lower on difficulty than some of the others.

Faye and Giovanni

My favourite of Gio's' tangos that I watched. Much cleaner than Debbie; moves more than Rose. Dances a lovely reverse turn - lovely rubato from both of them at 1:08. You can see how they're both accentuating the slowness in the step, holding onto it, before finishing the step. Needs a bit more drive across the floor.

Kellie and Kevin

Beautiful, clean dancing. Kellie's core is incredible - that's why she's able to maintain that posture throughout. Occasionally gets a bit stiff in the back. Ballet feet rather than them being turned in when they need to be.

Layton and Nikita

Makes a very good attempt with the low knees and to move across the floor correctly with his feet. It's difficult to go from following to leading like this and he makes it looks smooth. Needs more drive across the floor.

Karim and Amy

Lovely attempt to maintain lowness in the knees and drive across the floor. I really like the section from 0:51 where he accents the beat beautifully with his feet. His own posture is beautiful. I find that he's holding Amy too high up and too far round the back - his hand is crossing well over her spine - and this makes them look too squished together at the top, as well as hampering their movement.

Best leader attempts

It is really hard for the leaders to get all the elements of the tango in 3-4 days without someone providing frame for you, which the followers get with their own leader.

Austin and Erin

Totally remarkable for the smoothness and volume of movement across the floor. From 0:13 they are dancing a series of reverse figures. These are the kinds of steps where less accomplished leaders will end up spinning in on themselves but Austin correctly extends his legs backwards to avoid this and the movement is absolutely wonderful.

Some fantastic attempts at authentically leading through feet and body movement - see 0:25. Really, really difficult to do and done well - he's leading, Erin's then following with her own accent slightly later.

Austin's main flaw is in the posture - he does get a bit too open in his promenades and when he moves off from them - opening the whole body a bit too much rather than keeping knees to Erin. His head as a result can tip backwards and he can lose it a bit in the arms.

[A moment for Erin Boag by the way. This is what the taller ballroom girls might want to aspire to in the tango - she keeps long in the sides but her knees are very bent - always towards Austin. She's never aggressive, dances everything extremely elegantly but then has moments of accented staccato to highlight certain beats].

Lewis and Katya

I think this dance was undermarked. It's remarkable to me in the amount they attempt to drive across the floor, successfully for the most part.

He achieves an absolutely wonderful promenade position at moments like 0:24, even after all the quick actions he's just done before, and again at 0:39 (with the latter attempt I love how he holds the beat slightly before going into it). Look at how the knees are very bent and into Katya, his body is facing Katya, he's on the inside edge of his feet. He dances a lovely reverse turn at 0:28, with the same rubato that Faye and Giovanni had earlier.

The pivots are danced correctly at 1:12 - he is dancing them tango style with some staccato rather than as you would in the swing dances. A nice attempt with the fallaway whisks from 1:20.

He sometimes loses the lowness in the knees and foot control, particularly on certain quick accented beats, hence them sometimes looking bumpy and like they're popping up. He is also sometimes pushing more with the moving leg than the standing one in attempting to get around the floor, making his movement less smooth than Austin's. Finally, his frame isn't the cleanest - his arms aren't in quite the right position which I think Anton highlighted in his comments, and he could be more extended from the sternum through the head.

The best competitive-style tangos

Vicky and Kai

This is probably the most authentic, closest to competition tango routine there has ever been.

Her posture is extremely consistent throughout the dance. She's very still in the top half (not strained or stiff though) where she needs to be, in order to accentuate certain more aggressive movements. She also does very well with following Kai in a similar manner to Kara above. The line figures from 1:30 are exceptional for showing this.

Consistency in promenades positions is the best of any of the followers. She's got her knee and hips pointing into Kai in that "I need a wee" manner. When she moves off from promenades (e.g. 0:41) she's able to maintain this position, without opening her whole body towards the audience like many of the celebs do.

My only criticism is that there are moments where there could be more oomph in the actual moving sections, e.g. 0:51 where they're doing those toe taps and she's very marginally out of position by the end of these - falling a bit with her top half into Kai. If she drove a bit more - properly pushing with her legs and knees, she'd probably avoid this loss of posture.

Maisie and Gorka

Also a very, very authentic competition tango, both in the routine and the way it was danced.

The position she is able to maintain throughout is astounding. The extension from the top of the chest upwards is more pronounced than Vicky and created correctly. Promenade position at 0:55 is perfect - knees are into Gorka, extension with the head is unreal.

They then dance a series of fallaway whisks. These are the kind of step where a less accomplished follower will really struggle to keep position - you are moving and in the middle of moving you have to cross your right leg behind your left one, opening your bottom half slightly but keeping your top half with partner - you need good rotation. You also don't want to open your bottom half too much because then you loose it entirely and you also need to accent the beat with your feet. Maisie is superb.

Follows Gorka's lead absolutely brilliant in places like 1:08 - like with Kara, she's waiting for him, he does the body action first and then she responds.

As a couple they move a bit less than Vicky and Kai across the floor; and there is less dynamism than the two other followers I've mentioned in this section.

Rachel and Vincent

The most special number. It's emotional and wistful and just incredibly beautiful. This is still authentic to competition tango, but a very different style to how Vicky danced. It's a lot less powerful and much more focused on smoothness of movement across the floor and intricate footwork (this is also a style Aljaz favours in all his tangos - he never goes for aggressive choreography). The level of difficulty is higher.

There is plenty of contrast - when they travel, they properly travel about the floor. See from 0:47 when they go into a series of moving figures and she does those lovely kick highlights throughout (incredibly difficult by the way, you're moving and then quickly stopping to kick very high - needs impeccable balance and core). You can see that by 0:55 they're all away back across the other side of the floor. They've moved loads and she's done all that intricate footwork along the way.

Rachel gets a little more upright as the routine goes on (understandable because it's so difficult) and there are a couple of moments right at the end which I think may be small errors - she's kicking where Vincent doesn't seem to be leading (usually when he leads the kicks he straightens his knees slightly, which is correct). Still the most beautiful tango.

Frankie and Kevin

Yet another style and another really beautiful, emotional routine. You may be wondering why this isn't in the "show tango" category and it is because the way it is danced stays authentic to competitive style, while having a few moments where they accent the song in a showy way. It's a much more a quick, "running" style of tango (again this is a style that is danced in competition), but they do also dance slows for contrast. The way she is able to keep her legs bent and her posture correct and her feet supple throughout all that travelling across the floor is massively impressive.

The section that particularly blows me away is the long side from 0:35. Beautiful fallaway whisks - does not open away from Kevin too much with the top half and just enough with the bottom half, pivots into the most beautiful extension at 0:40, unbelievable stalks from from 0:43. Then at 0:47: she does a high kick, runs at pace and then is able to use her feet beautifully to stop the movement and quickly change direction into a quick throwaway oversway with kick, then the most beautiful same foot lunge at 0:51. Same foot lunge is often a moment where beginners will struggle to maintain the core - they'll often drop, cling on to their partner and/or extend their rears in a way that is not correct. She's perfect here and she even has the correct feet to match.

The only thing hampering her is occasional postural issues - she opens the bottom half too much in the promenade section from 0:33 and gets a bit locked in the back during the incredibly difficult section at 1:03.

Verdict

I'm going to sit on the fence a bit here and say that if you combined the drive, speed of movement and elegance of Frankie's with the beauty and intricacy of Rachel's and the cleanness of Vicky's or Maisie's, you'd get the perfect tango.

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u/ShortGuidance1359 — 2 months ago

Hello lovely shadow ban mods, am I shadow banned?

I certainly was - for posting dance technique analysis with too many links in a single post (almost all links to the Strictly official YouTube page but still). Lesson learned! 🙈

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u/ShortGuidance1359 — 2 months ago

Samba and why it’s all in the bounce - technique comparison

Why is the samba so difficult? A few reasons, but the main culprit is what is required when dancing the bounce. It requires great stamina; you’re basically moving your knees up and down every half beat for the whole song and your ankles are working hard too. And - if danced correctly - your knees and feet are often not moving on the same beats.

Knees

If you take a bar of music that has 4 beats, and split it into half beats, you get the rhythm 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and. On the beat (aka the 1, 2, 3, 4) you bend the knees slightly with your pelvis tilted slightly forward. On the half beats (aka the "ands") you start to straighten your legs again (the straightening should not be exaggerated like in cha cha - you want to keep everything supple), keeping the heels off the floor.

Pelvic tilt

Sounds grim, but basically ensures that when you bend the knees downwards, you’re bouncing at a nice angle and not vertically like a yo-yo.

Feet

While you're going at it with your knees and pelvis in the manner I explained above, your feet are also bouncing. But at a different timing to your knees (!!!)

In the basic actions and timing (e.g. whisk) your knees are bouncing on all the half beats; but the feet are moving on the 1 and the 1&three quarter and the 3 and the 3&three quarter. Other steps will have different timings for the feet. But the knees are often still going on the half beats. So you need insane coordination.

You’re only going to be able to achieve all this at full speed with a fair amount of experience. So most of the time when I mention bounce below, I am referring to the celebs simply bouncing in a nice controlled way, rather than actually achieving this subtlety with the timing. I wouldn’t expect them to achieve this in order to score 40.

However it’s still worth noting because this timing discrepancy is what gives the pros the lovely action when they dance: it’s why their bounce looks so good. And there is one celeb that gets quite close to achieving these differing coordinated timings.

Pro video

In this video you can clearly see the bounce in action, most clearly at 0:52 when they're doing the samba locksteps. Their ankles, knees and hips are bouncing; and so are their heads a little bit as a result - and this isn’t cha cha so some change of level is desired.

The timing discrepancy between knees and feet discussed above is why they get this nice, continuous back and forth ticking action.

They are using the bounce action to travel their steps - that is a huge floor they're dancing across. The locks in samba will move much further than in cha cha partly because of bounce action.

The legs are always sharp. There are also moments where they properly attack a step to emphasise a beat. But it is a classy dance; they’re not just gyrating about.

So which celebs capture some of these elements?

Classy dancing but lacks bounce

Natalie Gumede is a prime example of this. You can see it right from the first figures she dances which are called botafogos. There is no bounce in the knees and ankles; her head is the same level throughout. And it's much the same story for most of this dance. But she has some of the cleanest, most beautiful feet of anyone mentioned in this post.

Pixie Lott makes a better attempt with the bounce but if I'm being harsh, it's coming more from this very nice body rhythm she's got going on, rather than through the knees and ankles. I do really love the body rhythm - you can see how much she's enjoying the dance and it adds a nice touch, plus if she was a worse dancer she would be in danger of looking silly. She’s so good that it looks great, but it’s not quite samba. Layton also falls into this - if you watch the locksteps (from 0:48) and compare him to Nikita, you can see that while Nikita is deriving the bounce from the ankles and knees, Layton is doing a Pixie and using body rhythm.

John Waite - one of those dancers that makes everything look easy and the movement in the hips is lovely. But he’s not over his toes enough in the posture and this, in combination with the lack of bounce - makes it look a little salsa-ish . Watch the botafogos (0:53) and you can see the sublime leg action of Johannes - the knees bouncing are subtle but there and his legs are very sharp.

Frankie Bridge - best attempt to bounce of these so far I think. She dances the botafogos from 0:19 and you can see her trying to get some of this action there, rather than just dancing them prettily like Natalie. But if you compare her to Kevin - who's samba technique I really, really like - you can see that he is properly bouncing with the knees in this step. Frankie is close but not quite there.

Out of control but attempts to bounce

Zoe Ball is definitely bouncing! But if you compare her to the celebs mentioned above, it looks a tad wild. She's bouncing without proper control over her feet.

Ellie and Vito - wow she can really dance. You can see her trying to bounce in all the basics up until and including the voltas ending 0:37. But this routine is a little out of control at moments.

Lovely bounce, limited attack

Alex Kingston is the perfect example. Absolutely lovely bounce, great control, very nice feet - a routine which clearly attempts to properly master the basics of samba. But it's all very soft. You're never going to get those moments of sharpness and attack like you have with the pros I've linked above.

Matt and Aliona - great attempt to bounce, but it almost looks a little too slow. He doesn't quite have the sharpness of leg or control over the upper half of his body and this combined, with the fact that he's not doing the action where the knees and feet are bouncing on different timings, means it can look a little sedate.

Joe and Katya - miles better than any of the others so far in my view. He bounces very consistently throughout using his ankles and knees as he should. He extends his legs absolutely wonderfully. He’s got a great core and he’s super neat and classy.

But lacks rotation in the hips. Doesn’t have the pelvic tilt - evident particularly in the promenade runs (1:10) so he is basically bobbing up and down with the bounce. But it looks good because he has good ankle control. Also demonstrates less difficulty in the choreo and rhythm changes than a few of the other top contenders, but the routine - which I do love - doesn’t really demand that.

Great attack and bounce but loses subtlety (rather than control)

Kelvin has good bounce and a great attempt at capturing samba technique. He's not out of control like Zoe or Ellie. I really like his samba walks from 0:51.

But, generally, it is all a bit too much. There are moments where everything moves when in fact some parts of the body should be more still. An example is 1:14 - everything's going - the arms, the hips etc. Whereas if you watch Oti, she's much more understated with the arms and top half of her body.

Maisie really attempts the technique at every avenue full out - takes no shortcuts. Unlike the other followers we've seen so far, she has real moments of attack and power - the spins are fantastic - some of the lines are great. There is some attempt to bounce through the voltas (1:32) but overall not quite enough throughout the routine.

I feel that her attempt is summed up through her batucadas (0:45), where for want of a more elegant phrasing, she is jiggling backwards. She is absolutely attempting to do this in a way that is technically correct - pushing off from the floor with her foot that's in front, rather than just moving the legs backwards. But it looks awkward - there's not enough rotation in the bottom half of her body separate from the top half, and -crucially - her thighs are too far apart.

Georgia: loads of bounce! Great rhythm, wonderful foot placement. Lacks the ankle control and also the pelvic tilt of those who I've placed higher. Therefore the bounce, while not out of control, is a little too directly up-down and abrupt.

JB: along with Joe McFadden, the best attempt so far. great bounce action, but, if we're being picky, a little too up-down rather than tilting the pelvis - from 0:34 you can see that Lauren is bouncing through tilting her pelvis forwards - JB is just going up and down with his knees.

But overall super classy - absolutely fabulous isolation. Can isolate the top and bottom parts of his body better than Kelvin - so he can achieve stillness in the top half while the bottom half moves lots. The section with the samba walks through to the start of the voltas (0:52-1:00) is just amazing.

Who gets closest of all to bouncing the knees separate to moving the feet?

I think it’s Hamza and Jowita:

Firstly in the stationary samba walks from 0:43 - you can see his knees are beginning to straighten early so that when he takes the step backwards, his knees are already pretty straight. That, along with lovely rotation in the lower half, is why he looks so good in this step.

You can also potentially see it in the botafogos (1:03): he has a nice continuous bucking action with the knees and hips throughout much of the samba, which practically none of the other celebs get.

That said, why is his samba not best ever? his feet are turned in as with cha cha and he doesn't have the sharpness, change of speed and attack of some of the others. His samba roll (1:18) also looks laboured. The judges placed JB higher and I can see why - he has leg sharpness and foot placement that Hamza lacks.

The best sambas

Fleur and Vito: The feet are unreal - the placements she gets are unlike anyone else in Strictly samba history. The bounce is better than Georgia's in my view: she has fantastic ankle control and I feel a better attempt at tilting the pelvis - I feel like you can see her trying to tilt it in the promenade runs at 0:48.

The rotation in the samba walks (0:30) is sublime. I mentioned how Maisie struggled with this and, if you've read my rumba post, then you've read me harp on about how Kara is the only one who really achieves rotation there - the hips being in a different direction to the top half of her body as she moves. Fleur achieves this here.

Finally, she has class combined with the sharpness that you need. Copes with loads of changes of rhythm in quick succession brilliantly.

Danny and Oti, of course!

The reason why it's probably the best ever: he is the only one to correctly use the bounce to properly generate his movement. While the other top attempts all have lovely bounce, they are not really using it to travel across the floor.

This is most obvious in the samba walks at 0:44. Remember how we said that Layton and Pixie were using their bodies to kind of gyrate through, while their respective pros danced correctly? Danny, like the pros, is actually using his ankles and knees to move.

You see it again at 1:20 with the travelling steps. These are so super powerful because he is using the bounce action through his knees and ankles.

And he’s got the pelvic tilt!!! Watch his promenade runs from 0:27 - you can see he is tilting his pelvis forward as he dances these, unlike JB or Joe, both of whom, on the same step, bounce up and down vertically.

On top of that, Danny has absolutely brilliant sharpness in his legs. He also dances complex rhythm changes and moments of attack that accentuate the beat.

Does he achieve the bounce where he’s straightening the knees early, before he takes a step?

Not quite, and that’s why if I’m being critical, Danny’s samba action can look a little hard-edged and like it lacks the subtlety of the Strictly pros.

They do the stationary samba basics in slow at 0:13. It’s subtle but you can see Oti straightens her legs - particularly the back one - further than Danny before she takes the step back. Whereas Danny does most of the straightening as, or even after, he’s taken the step; he’s missed out the half beat where knees should start to straighten prior to that. You can see that he’s taking the extra rise through his body at the end of the step, which Oti doesn’t need because she’s already got there.

But this is fiendishly hard and not something you’d expect a celeb to achieve in 12 weeks. Danny’s samba, for all the other reasons laid out above, is absolutely a Strictly classic for a reason.

u/ShortGuidance1359 — 2 months ago

The Perfect Waltz - technique comparison

Unlike with the other dances looked at so far, there is a waltz on Strictly that is head and shoulders above any of the others.

All the other good waltzes, you could basically divide into two categories: 1) clean technique with limited movement and 2) good movement with messier technique.

Why is movement in the waltz so important?

When you hear waltz, it often goes hand in hand with the phrase "rise and fall". But this isn't just a case of lowering the legs on the first beat and then raising the ankles through the other two beats until you lower again. If you did that, you'd basically be bobbing up and down and if you watch any good professional waltz they are not doing that.

Instead, you have to drive through the first beat at the same time as you lower. You have to push with the standing leg to take a huge step onto your moving leg - it's not quite accurate to say "take a massive step" but that's sort of what's happening. You absolutely don't want to be taking neat little steps in the waltz.

The rise and fall should not be abrupt. Many beginners will peak the rise on the second beat - popping up with their ankles before they lower again on three, but if you're dancing in a more advanced manner, you continue to rise on three and begin to lower later - and subtly, using your ankle control - while also preparing for your next driving step.

When waltz is danced neatly but with no movement, it's almost akin to walking about the floor. When you're actually driving properly, it glides. The rise and fall is there but it's subtle, there's no popping up and down. Small couples can absolutely cover huge distance with proper technique - check out my favourite pro dance ever on Strictly: Vincent and Flavia. You can see that they move a huge amount - they are gliding not walking - and their rise and fall is subtle not abrupt.

Clean technique with limited movement

Rose and Giovanni. First of all, I do want to clarify that Rose is fully deserving of the 40 score for Strictly because her following is out of this world. Not a single movement is danced independently of Giovanni. When he moves, she moves; when he takes smaller steps, she mirrors perfectly. She has to be one of the best at following that we've ever had on the show. She's also dancing properly - using the standing leg and feet - not walking.

But Giovanni (sorry Gio fans, although I suspect there aren't many of you left) - where is the swing and drive, for which you - as leader and a pro at that - are primarily responsible?! At 0:30, they dance a chasse, taking absolutely tiny steps. Gio basically does the exact same thing with Faye Tozer - who is not as good as Rose. You can see that her head positioning is a bit off - it's titled upwards at an awkward angle for the whole thing and she is bumpier - she can't follow as well as Rose can. Gio perhaps has marginally more drive with Faye but it's still quite limited. This lack of drive is particularly frustrating with Rose because I suspect she would have been able to keep up very well with a waltz that properly moved across the floor given how well she follows; she was just never given the chance.

Rachel and Vincent - same story as with foxtrot - and Vincent can drive (see above with Flavia) but went conservative here. Lovely dancing and more glide than Gio, but small steps.

Chris and Dianne - this is fully deserving of high marks and not just because of the emotion - the technique is there too. He is a fantastic lilting quality to his dancing when he's dancing the basic box step right at the beginning. The rise and fall is not abrupt (see Harry Judd as a culprit of this - who pops up and down - and I'm a big Harry fan; he'll get his flowers when we cover quickstep). Chris, unlike Harry, controls his feet and ankles more carefully. He has great posture through the spine, although loses it in the arms a little bit as the dance goes on. The critique though, as with the others already covered, is that it's not very dynamic - the movement is slightly limited. But he is dancing through, not just walking.

Will and Nancy - nice footwork, nice backline (not as stiff as in foxtrot). He is a lovely, smooth dancer. But the volume of movement is lacking.

Simon and Kristina - generally nice balance and footwork, lovely straight back. Routine is packed with syncopated runs of which they take very small steps as opposed to driving these runs across the floor (again see Vincent and Flavia who also have lots of syncopation in the routine).

There's quite a few others in this category: many of Kevin Clifton's partners, many of Gio's other partners.

Good movement with messier technique

I think you can probably already tell that I am a bit biased towards the dancers that attempt volume of movement - because that is what characterises ballroom dancing at the end of the day.

Abbey and Aljaz - unbelievable extension from the back to create the distance between their heads, and excellent attempt to keep up with Aljaz's elite movement. Some of Aljaz's partners do struggle with keeping up (see Helen George on a number of occasions - starts amazingly, loses the ability to stay with him), because you will never find Aljaz walking through a dance a la Gio. So the follower must also drive in order to keep up. That said she makes a few footwork errors and sometimes turns head independently of Aljaz's lead - most distractingly at 1:05.

Alesha and Matthew - Beautiful dancing. A difficult routine because they tend to spin one way and then abruptly spin back the other way. From 2:36 they dance a series of reverse figures and Alesha gets a little locked in the back and occasionally steps independently of Matthew's lead - unlike Rose she's not able to follow his exact rise and fall.

Hamza and Jowita: absolutely wonderful attempt to properly drive. You can see the size of steps that he takes - they are massive. Lovely frame. I'm particularly impressed by his attempt to drive through complex reverse figures because this is usually where the celebs, particularly the leaders, will just start to spin on the spot. For example, he dances a lovely fallaway slip pivot at 0:55 - one of the most difficult steps - with excellent control and proper beautiful movement across the floor. But then he has moments where he loses control of feet due to this attempt to drive.

AJ and Saffron - I dislike the NFT-shilling bigot as much as the next gal, but AJ can produce a good ballroom routine and this one is massively underrated. Look at the way they drive and flow across the floor - both of them; Saffron dances this very well too. She doesn't quite have the frame of the most elite dancers - very occasionally pitching forward and into AJ and occasionally turning her head independently. But apart from that it is an amazing attempt, deserving of a top score by Strictly standards.

Joe Sugg - really lovely use of feet and movement. Lacks any kind of sway and arms are not in the best frame but you can see right from when they start dancing how big his steps are. And he's not abrupt with the rise and fall - it's properly controlled.

Scott Maslen - fantastic frame for most of it, some great attempt at proper movement. But abrupt with the rise and fall and loses much of his quality on the more difficult steps.

Karen and Carlos - she has issues with her frame due to Scheuermann's disease. If you look at her feet, they do have a lovely lilting quality, proper drive, great footwork.

Matt and Flavia - personally I do think this was deserving of the controversial 40. it's just that Gethin and Alesha should have got 40s for theirs as well. Lovely footwork and leg action, drives across the floor rather than walks. A lot of running syncopation again but I feel makes a better attempt at dancing through these than Simon and Kristina. That said, can at times look a very tad rushed; takes the rise on three through the shoulder line rather than just the feet, tensing up.

Best leader attempt

Has to be Gethin. A couple of footwork errors but by a country mile the best frame in waltz, and the best attempt to drive and dance a controlled rise and fall. If you watch the chasse from 0:35, he controls this beautifully, flowing it gracefully into the following step. It's less stop-start than the small chasse Gio dances that I noted earlier. Pivots properly drive around the floor. The one criticism is that he does get a little tense in the top half from the standing spin onwards (1:03). I suppose that could be an argument for Matt getting higher marks - he recovers from his tenseness in the shoulders and Gethin doesn't.

Perfect Strictly waltz

Probably not a massive suprise...it is of course Tasha and Aljaz. And I'm not sure there's another ballroom dance on Strictly that comes anywhere near close.

Let's look first at her following. As I explained earlier, Aljaz's partners can struggle with following because Aljaz properly drives his steps, as he should. For those of you who have danced, and have danced with partners with a range of ability, you will notice that if you are dancing with a leader who is better than you and is dancing full out, you will struggle at least at the beginning to keep up with their drive. Tasha is dancing with Aljaz to perfection every step of the way.

Footwork is perfect. She's not just closing her feet where she's meant to and using her heels and toes when she should, she's using her feet to perfectly control her movement across the floor. Look at the sublime natural turn they dance at 0:49. You can see her using a huge amount of foot pressure to close her foot by dragging it across the floor, on the inside edge. Compare this to Rose who dances the closure at 0:34 - Rose doesn't quite manage to get her feet closed and there's a lot less pressure across the floor.

Movement is massive. Tasha goes into a spin turn following the natural turn. This begins roughly 0:51. She's now responsible for driving forward. A lot of decent and fairly experienced followers will lose it a bit at this point a bit - they'll push with the spine first, losing the "roundness" in the arms, to try to drive the forward step. Tasha does none of this - she drives correctly with control, moving her spine by using her feet, keeping a perfect frame, going around Aljaz, keeping a perfect distance with their heads and driving through a huge spin turn.

When she steps backwards, she doesn't wait too long for Aljaz to move, resulting in her taking a small step, forcing her to lock up like Alesha does in the section I highlighted above (and like most celebs would; Karen in her routine with Carlos does this a lot). She's lowering with Aljaz and anticipating his drive forward by already preparing her leg, meaning they can move a huge amount.

Frame: I mean it's really, really unreal. I'm not sure many of the pros on Strictly could achieve similar; the ones who are not ballroom specialists would really struggle. Let's just fast forward a bit to the set of lines figures towards the end starting 1:14. Ridiculous change of speed which she dances perfectly, into a series of complex line figures where she needs perfect balance, and then they go into a spin where her head is to the right(!!) At this point many followers, even very decent ones, will develop an uneveness in their shoulder line but Tasha doesn't.

Running steps: At 1:38 they dance a series of running steps. These absolutely glide across the floor, there's no sense of them stepping through them like you get with Simon at 1:10 or the occasional rushed feeling of Matt.

I would often get a bittersweet feeling watching Strictly because I really love it, but it's difficult not to see the technical flaws, be annoyed with the unneveness in judging, etc, once you have dance training. But Tasha's dance was a different story; there's really nothing to critique, you just lose yourself in the absolute beauty. It is so good!

u/ShortGuidance1359 — 2 months ago

Cha cha and the battle of series 21 and 22 divas - technique comparison

What on earth are those dreaded "Straight Legs" that the judges bang on and on about?

You achieve them not by simply straightening your leg as if you were standing. You have to properly settle into your hip - for want of a better explanation - bending your other leg, locking the knee and pushing the hip on your straight leg backwards - properly settling into your weight into the floor. Everytime you walk, you need to be able to "snap" your legs in such a way. Bearing in mind cha cha is fast and you don't have a lot of time to do all of this.

Now, to actually achieve the correct technique in motion, you need other elements. The inside edges of the feet need to be used as in rumba, pressing into the floor as you move.

Your posture is key - the core must be sucked in and your weight has to be over your feet.

If you can achieve all this to an elite level (plus a million other technical elements I'm not going to touch on), then when you dance the cha cha it should be grounded and weighty. There should be no bobbing up and down - some teachers would put an item on your head so that if you incorrectly pop up rather than maintaining a smooth, steady level throughout, the item would fall off.

Lock step with overturn

One of the hardest steps a celeb follower will attempt on strictly is the lockstep with overturn. Watch a pro do it at 0:08: after she dances a series of forward locksteps she overturns the ending - takes another step forward and then whips backwards again to face her partner. She is so good that you could put a flat panel above her head and the panel would not bop up - she maintains a perfect uniform level throughout, despite the craziness going on with her legs and feet underneath. When she takes that forward step before whipping backwards, her leg is totally straight and her weight is properly over her foot. Her feet, with the correct use of inside edge, allow her to whip back with absolute precision.

Strictly

Three of the best Cha Chas were danced in series 21 and 22: Layton Williams, Ellie Leach and Sarah Hadland. All three dance the lockstep with overturn.

Layton: While not the best ballroom and latin dancer in terms of authentic technique, one of my favourite ever Strictly contestants anyway. Everything was danced with such character and beauty. (Those who really vocally loathed Layton's dancing on Strictly I suspect may dislike fun. You can downvote me lol)

Now, his cha cha was technically excellent. He really used his feet in the way he was supposed to, from the beautiful swivels (0:22) to the cuban break-time step section (from 0:33). I love this latter section.

He had a solid attempt at the forward cha cha walks (from 0:37). However, you can see that compared to the pro I linked above, he is bopping about ever so slightly. He doesn't quite have the technique of completely getting the weight over the straightened leg, and his thighs are too far apart, giving away his ballet training.

He has a fabulous attempt at the overturn at 0:45. Beautiful control of the feet and of his core to be able to dance a smooth overturn, stopping dead still to highlight the beat. It has a Layton flourish at the end, but we do love him for it.

Sarah: I love this routine. It's camp in the best way. She has absolutely lovely legs and feet - quick and precise. She does a great attempt at straightening the legs - you can see this from the forward steps from 0:43. Some wonderful accents with the feet in the quicker sections that follow just afterwards.

Her cha cha walk section from 1:00 is very good. She is straightening her legs in a manner most celebs would dream of doing on Strictly. But her posture is a little too upright and not over her legs quite enough, to be very picky.

This slight issue with the posture is particularly evident in the overturn which she dances at at 0:41. Don't get me wrong, it is a very very good attempt. But it doesn't quite look like cha cha - she doesn't have the power and snap of the pro I linked above, or of Layton.

Ellie: How this routine was not a straight 40 I will never understand. It is, all in all, the best cha cha I've ever seen on Strictly. She's the only one to me that really captures the authenticity of the cha cha - she has the snappy legs, immaculate control of the feet and - importantly - the correct posture.

If you were to put a flat panel above her head, like with the pro, it wouldn't move. There's not bopping up and down at all.

From 0:36 she dances continuous locks - she's properly creating the action from the floor - straightening her legs and bending them from using the floor. If I had to be really penicky she gets very slightly trotty towards the end but it's still far and away the best technique I've seen on Strictly. The beginning of this section is superb. Her body is correctly rotated - she's not straight on like Sarah can occasionally get. Instead, she is correctly dancing with the hips rotated away from the top half.

When she dances the overturn at 0:41, it's near perfect. If I had to be extremely picky, she isn't completely over her weight, so while she is very good, you can see the effort put in to create the turn, whereas the pro I linked earlier looks effortless. This is why posture and weight placement is so important - even Ellie, who has danced a near flawless cha cha, has a very slight tell in her lack of latin experience at this moment.

Now, there is one celeb who has danced an overturn that stuck in my mind and it's a really random one: Michelle Visage. The rest of her cha cha is not on par with Ellie, Layton or Sarah. She's not as precise with the legs - she doesn't have the speed or flexibility to bend and straighten them in the same manner. There are small sections which are lacklustre. But she has something about her dancing which brings the authenticity of the cha cha and that's the posture - she is almost always beautifully over her weight, with her core sucked in. And when she dances the overturn at 0:38, that posture pays off. It is more effortless than Ellie's!

Basically, in short, Ellie danced the best cha cha to my memory, followed by Layton. Where many celebs miss grasping the authenticity of cha cha is not just in the leg action, but also in the posture.

Leaders

I'll keep it brief on leaders, because celeb leaders, you have a lot of catching up to do when it comes to the cha cha in comparison to the followers. There was one that really impressed me, though, Ricky Whittle. Dances with weight over his feet, great attempt at straightening the legs - lovely continuous lock section (from 0:38) brilliant new york section (from 0:12), phenomenal walks (from 1:08). He achieves absolutely fantastic rotation (separating the direction his hips are facing from the rest of his body - all in motion) which all the other celeb leaders struggle with. And uses his feet properly and beautifully to create the action very quickly which is really really hard. And he makes everything look easy!

u/ShortGuidance1359 — 2 months ago
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Fab-u-lous foxtrots - a technical comparison

Strictly routines rarely capture the flavour of genuine foxtrots (because they are so difficult to dance), so I've included a pro clip to help with the comparisons. The best in the world at foxtrot are Glenn and Caroly - couple number 29 in the grey dress. There are infinite reasons why this is good, but to be simplistic:

-unlike in waltz, where there is much more drastic rise and fall, with the peak of the rise ending on the very last half beat - 3 & - in foxtrot, the rise and fall is much more minimal and the actions are completed over four beats in a bar of music, rather than three. Therefore, the movement across the floor is more continuous. One teacher we had compared a good feather step to a jumbo jet landing smoothly.

-spines are constantly in motion across the floor, rotating at differing degrees to where the feet are facing depending on the steps required.

-insane foot control into the floor allows perfect control of movement, giving the illusion of them almost "slowing down" towards the end of the feather step, giving a delicious weightiness to their dancing.

-their frame is perfect. there is a huge amount of distance between their heads; the arms and posture never collapse.

Now to the Strictly foxtrots - I've tried to pick some good ones (I can't really go earlier than s6 because I can't find videos of high enough quality to analyse)

Top tier

Ricky Whittle and Rachel Stevens.

Ricky is not perfect. His feet are pigeon toed and he loses quality in all areas as the dance goes on (which is normal, because they are dancing in full hold without breaking for 1min30). That said, I believe overall his foxtrot is the best of the leaders that I looked at.

-He actually has the continuous quality, where the rise and fall is very steady and not dramatic like it would be in waltz. In order to achieve this, he has very good control over his feet.

-In his feather step (0:15) he actually achieves swing and sway. In terms of swing, you can also see him taking a preparative rotation before the feather. This allows him to get some nice swing through the feather. You can see the sway through the extra elongation in his left side - his left arm starts at a lower level but ends up very much higher than his right arm. And it seems to be done correctly from the feet, not artificially through collapsing a side.

-Again, in his feather step, he achieves decent CBMP - which is where the upper body is rotated in a different direction to the feet. His feet are in one straight line, which is correct, rather than two parallel tracks.

-The entire opening section is very nice. The pivots are danced very well, with great control. There are some lovely deliberate extra slow moments in this, danced exquisitely, due to wonderful foot control. There is really good movement across the floor.

-Although he loses it later on, his posture and arm and head position are great at the start. His spine is fairly flexible throughout.

Rachel is the cleanest of the followers.

-Her posture and head positioning are very good. Her sides, in particular are very impressive - she never loses the stretch through them.

-Her heel turn (0:16) is the best I could find on strictly. A lot of beginners exaggerate the heel turn, where they raise the toes far too high off the ground. Rachel's is just the right amount. I couldn't see her feet throughout the entirety of the reverse wave (section she is moving forward) but it looks correct from how they are moving across the floor.

-My main gripe with Rachel is similar to her rumba if you've read that post of mine - lack of movement. They are a small couple but they could still drive a lot more across the floor. That said, Vincent and Rachel clearly went for cleanness and technical detail over pushing movement as a choice and their dancing is beautiful as a result.

Good tier

Tom Chambers and Molly Rainford

Tom - first of all, anyone watching this video through will notice a significant stumble in the middle. To me, the stumble hardly matters, because the recovery was superb. Strictly judges tend to fixate on mistakes but in the competitive world, if you've danced the rest of your routine way and above the competition, a stumble is unlikely to cost you a place in the next round, if you manage to recover.

-Tom dances this really nicely. He has lovely foot control and achieves the continuous smooth movement across the floor to a degree. His pivots are absolutely wonderful. His arms and spine are lovely.

-Why is he not as good as Ricky? He does not take that preparatory rotation before the feather step, and he does not achieve the swing and sway that Ricky does.

His feet are not as controlled, so there is more abrupt rise and fall. He also does not have the same power of movement.

Finally, his head is also stuck at a slightly odd angle throughout the dance - he doesn't have the mobility of spine that Ricky does.

Molly - lovely frame - maintained very well throughout, great distance between their heads. Absolutely beautiful heel turn at 0:26 - feet closed together, great balance. A little more exaggerated than Rachel's but it's possible that Carlos wanted it that way so the judges were sure not to miss it. When she drives forward, she properly drives the couple (perhaps more than Rachel).

-Why is she not quite as good as Rachel? - I love the way she releases her toes in the feather step at 0:23 but she is not in CBMP - her feet are moving backwards on two parallel lines, rather than in a continuous, single line. Loses frame a little more towards the end of the dance and starts to turn the head a little independently of Carlos' rotation. Still a superb attempt.

Decent tier

Hamza Yassin and Tasha Ghouri

Hamza - now bearing in mind this is week 1 (!!) this is a great attempt. His frame is fantastic and he is driving a decent amount across the floor. He is really trying for that continuous movement. That said, he has a few footwork errors and you can see that it is a lot more stop-start than Tom and Ricky because he doesn't have the same level of foot control. His spine is also stiffer and less mobile.

Tasha - now there are a number of followers I could have included here but I needed to have a look at Tasha who is my all time favourite in ballroom. The clip is American Smooth foxtrot rather than pure foxtrot, as they never danced that.

-Tasha has hands down the best follower frame that there has ever been on Strictly. It is superior to Rachel and Molly. This is not only in the ridiculous volume she can create, but in the fact that she is always following Aljaz's feet and body to perfection - there are no independent head turns, not a single loss of stretch. I cannot tell you how difficult this is. In a competition setting, the frame is sort of what sets you apart in early, busy rounds, over other elements.

-That said, I was disappointed in her footwork in this foxtrot, when compared to her waltz, for example, where she is flawless. In the feather step (from 0:36), she arguably achieves a better CBM position than Molly, but she is not releasing her toes. You can see that the last thing to drag across the floor as she moves backwards is her toe, when in fact the foot should be angled slightly so that the toe is raised very slightly off the floor and the heel drags back. The heel turn is ok, but the feet are not closed neatly as with Molly and Rachel.

u/ShortGuidance1359 — 2 months ago

Ringer Rumbas - a comparative analysis

I recently went down a Strictly rabbit hole on youtube, as well as some lurking on this sub and wanted to contribute to discussion about what I feel are some of the best dances on Strictly, starting with the rumba. My experience is that I am a former competitive ballroom and latin dancer who stopped competing due to injury.

I've chosen to compare a couple of different ringers i.e. celebrities who came into the show with dance experience under their belts. All the celebs mentioned below are phenomenal dancers. This is just my opinion, based on my technical experience, on their rumbas.

This is all a bit of fun (more of a technical analysis for myself) although extremely happy to have friendly debate in the comments/answer Qs if anyone has any!

Men

Let's start with two men who in my memory have the legacy of being two of the best on Strictly: Danny Mac and Jay McGuinness.

Rumba is notoriously difficult for men dancing in a traditional leader role without a ballroom and latin background. They must attempt the hip action while still appearing "masculine" (I know this is not the most progressive language but in the context of the ballroom and latin world I can't think of a better way of putting it). While a celeb follower can sometimes mask balance weakness by relying on their pro in the rumba, the leader has no similar way of hiding.

Both Danny and Jay have clear strengths and flaws in these videos:

-Jay is far too light with his foot pressure throughout. He does not have the grounded, weighty quality where he is properly pressing through the floor to create good action. This is particularly evident when he is dancing a cuban action on his own at around 0:35 in the video. Danny is better with regards footwork and pressure and maintaining groundedness. When he dances the opening outs (around 1:06) you can see a clear effort to use the inside edges of his feet to drag across the floor and create hip action from this.

-BUT in terms of an attempt at creating the correct hip action (rotation, pendulum, change of weight), there were moments in Jay's video when I was impressed. He has more of a clear rotation where he is keeping his torso in one direction while rotating his hip in an isolated manner. Danny, by contrast, throughout his rumba, makes a good effort at the side to side cuban motion but the actual rotation is not there - when he is doing hip action, his upper body tends to move with his hips. He can't keep the two isolated as well as Jay.

Sliding doors

-The absolute standout choreographical moment from either of these videos (and I have seen another experienced dancer on these boards mention this recently) is the turning sliding doors that Jay dances at 0:37. The sliding doors are not an easy step for beginners to dance as it is - they require a good understanding of the correct way to coordinate the feet - knees and hips (including rotation), or they just look silly. Not only does Jay dance them very well, he spins (!!) going in and out of them. That requires SUPERB balance and connection with the centre. He has an absolutely stunning sense of timing when he finishes off the sliding doors by styling his left foot behind and very very slightly delaying the turn of his head. This is really really next level dancing and that moment always sends goosebumps up my spine.

-Danny also does the spinning sliding doors at around 1:25. But he is a little more off balance and less smooth when he dances them.

So for me, while Jay has clear flaws in the groundedness of his feet, he does accomplish things in the rumba which I haven't seen other leaders on Strictly achieve. I have a soft spot for this routine.

Women - sliding doors tell their own story again!

There have been far more standout followers in rumba, so I've had to narrow it down to three: Kara Tointon, Ashley Roberts and Ellie Leach. Now, like Jay and Danny, all these ladies had dance training before Strictly although Ashley was the only one to get flack for it.

-Let's start with Ashley. She is an incredible dancer. The lines she achieves are ridiculous. The spins (from 1:20) are some of the best things I've seen on Strictly. BUT if I had to be super critical, I would say that Ashley, as opposed to Kara and Ellie, does rely more on her other experiences in dance to achieve the spectacular here, rather than showing a massive improvement in latin technique.

Again, the sliding doors are the tell (from 1:10). Not only is she not as grounded into the floor as she could be, she is not correctly using the rotation-pendulum-change of weight to move forwards. When her weight is on the back foot, her whole body is rotated, rather than the hips being more rotated than the other half. When she replaces weight to the front foot, she is not using the feet agains the floor enough to create the action, ending in a slightly odd looking forward pitchedness (which is only evident if you watch many professional rumbas).

-Let's compare with Kara who dances the same step - sliding doors - at (0:23). In terms of Strictly I don't believe you will ever see better. What makes it particularly great is the forward step - where she has locked her thighs together and kept her weight grounded on the floor to create the correct action and completely isolated the lower half from the top half, so that she achieves a completely on balance rotation of the bottom half. She is also clearly using the inside edges of her feet correctly (even if you can't see her feet, it;s evident from the action she has achieved). She is then able to take a HUGE step to the side (that much movement requires excellent balance) while still keeping the hip action under her shoulders (so she doesn't fall into the Danny trap of moving hips and shoulders together).

-The thing about Kara is that she dances all this extremely extremely difficult choreography as authentically close to rumba as you'll get in terms of the technique - AND SHE MOVES - she's not dancing this in a closed compact way - she's properly shifting her weight. You need all the technical elements but particularly excellent grounded feet and a superb core to achieve this.

-Finally, Ellie, who's rumba I believe scored 35?! Not sure what the judges were watching because it deserved higher marks. Absolutely beautiful footwork - the use of inside edge on fan (0:54) is unreal and extremely rare even from ringers on strictly.

-Ellie also dances the sliding doors at (1:00). She dances them extremely well - good groundedness, near perfect foot placement, good hip isolation. BUT she does not achieve the VOLUME of movement in terms of how far she shifts her weight as Kara. I would rank her attempt in between Kara and Ashley for this reason.

To summarise for the three women I've picked here - Ashley achieves volume of movement, Ellie achieves authentic footwork and action but Kara is the one that can combine both to dance the most exquisite rumba. In my opinion ;)

u/ShortGuidance1359 — 2 months ago