u/Spilanthomile

Honey in the pyramids

I've heard the anecdote many times over the years that honey is a food that never spoils, and that there was honey found in Egyptian pyramids that was still perfectly edible after thousands of years. Did archaeologists eat the ancient honey? Did they do a chemical analysis of it? How do they know it's still good?

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u/Spilanthomile — 22 hours ago

Document from Quebec, 1687

I imagine the upload quality may be difficult, the original document is here:

https://numerique.banq.qc.ca/patrimoine/details/52327/3342962

I know it's too much to ask someone to transcribe this whole thing, but I don't have a specific part of it to request. Ideally I want to be able to read the whole thing, and I'm hoping someone can transcribe a few lines of it, so I can study those and try to make a go at reading the rest. So, anything anyone can do here would be very helpful.

The background on this document involves suicide, so I'll leave a gap before telling the story.

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This is a document that I found doing genealogy exploration. It's linked in a profile for a long-ago ancestor, attached to a strange story. Sometimes the details on genealogy websites are not totally backed up by the documents, so I'm trying to see for myself what's supported. The story as given is that this guy, Pierre Lefebvre, hung himself in 1687. He was then posthumously tried and convicted for the crime of suicide, and sentenced to have his corpse desecrated in various ways and hung for some period of time in a dishonorable way, along with his property being seized. Supposedly his son-in-law, Jean Clouet, and daughter then petitioned to have the sentence rescinded and the seized property returned to his widow. This document is one of several linked in the sources of the story. The rest are here if anyone's curious, but I think you need a FamilySearch account to view the page:

https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/sources/K19Z-FN9

Another version of the (unsourced) story is here:

https://www.nosorigines.qc.ca/genealogie-personal-info.aspx?pid=53664&information=Pierre%20Lefebvre

Thanks for any help investigating this!

u/Spilanthomile — 24 hours ago

Content warning: Suicide. 1687 Quebec - help reading docs

I found an ancestor that seems to have been subject to some very strange stuff, according to a profile on FamilySearch! But I'm having a really hard time trying to read these documents. If anyone was able to transcribe even a few lines, or as much as they're willing, I could use that as a key to try and learn how to read the rest. Here comes the part about suicide, and some gruesome stuff.

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According to the summaries, in 1687, Pierre Lefebvre was found having hung himself. He was then posthumously tried and sentenced for the crime of suicide, with the punishment being various desecrations of his corpse ending with being hung upside down outside of the site of his death for four years, and the siezure of all? some? of his property. A couple months later his daughter and son-in-law successfully petitioned for his property to be returned to his widow, and for his body to be buried properly.

[[EDIT: Someone else says the body was to be hung there for four -days- not years, but they say they just got a transcription from "the internet" and don't have a link, so.... not sure about this. That summary is here: https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/collaborate/K19Z-FN9\]\]

The profile is here, with a number of primary sources linked:

https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/about/K19Z-FN9

The document I'm currently trying to read is here:

https://numerique.banq.qc.ca/patrimoine/details/52327/3342962

I really want to see what parts of the story come from which documents in theses sources, and whether the whole thing is backed up in the text, or if some of it is speculative... It's one of the first things I've stumbled across this far back that has an actual story attached to it, rather than just names and dates and relationships. Despite my lack of French language knowledge, I've become decent at reading the baptisms, marriages, and getting better at the death records, largely thanks to the formulaic text that helps me guess. This stuff is way harder, and some of these 17th century letter-shapes are really different... I would really appreciate any help breaking into this.

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u/Spilanthomile — 2 days ago

Historic place name - 1702 Quebec marriage record

Thanks for any information on this.

The record I'm working with is here:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8993-F9WC-Q

3 July 1702, marriage of Antoine Rougier & Jeanne Lafayette, in La Prairie, Quebec.

It names the husband as "habitant de coste de la tortue"

PRDH believes he was born in France. The only result I get searching that place name is in Haiti. I know it's possible, the French were there, but it seems unlikely to me that if they were saying he was an inhabitant of the Caribbean, that it wouldn't be specified or commented on in some way? Does this name indicate somewhere in Quebec that I'm not finding?

Thanks for any knowledge about this!

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u/Spilanthomile — 7 days ago

What is this phrase? 1702 Quebec death records

Hi - I'm sharing two images, one of the whole page, the other of a closeup on two records with the phrase I can't make out underlined. This phrase appears in many of the records on these pages and everything I type into a translator app comes back as nonsense. Can anyone read what this phrase is? Thanks very much!

u/Spilanthomile — 7 days ago
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Preview mark-up - can't save in color

Hello - I've never used this sub and I'm not very techy so I hope I'm asking in the right place. There may be obvious things I'm not thinking of because this stuff is unfamiliar to me.

I'm trying to use markup to draw some lines on a jpg in preview. The original image is greyscale, and I'm trying to circle some things in red.

After I draw my lines and save it, all the lines become grayscale.

In searching for an answer I found a comment on a deleted post that seems like it might have useful info for me: https://www.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/172vowf/deleted_by_user/

I had never heard of colorsync utility before, and so I experimented with trying to make the image able to have color, but nothing I do seems to stick. If I access the color profile menu from Preview, the only options are "Generic Gray Gamma 2.2 Profile" and "Generic Gray Profile." When I try to set the display to something else in ColorSync and save it, when I reopen in preview it's reverted to grayscale.

Can anyone help me with this? Please and thank you. If there's a suggestion for some easier way that isn't Preview that I can draw on/highlight images with, that would be great too.

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u/Spilanthomile — 7 days ago

Help reading death record, Quebec 1750

This is a death record for Michel Chartier, but I'm struggling to tell if the record contains evidence that it's the Michel Chartier I'm looking for. This is as much as I can read:

"lan mil sept cent cinquante le quatre de juillet aété inhumée *** le cimetiere de cette paroisse, par nous pitre soussigner misionnaire de notre dame de lasomption de berthier, avec les seremonies ordinaire michel chartier, agé de quatre vingt ans environ nayant ********* les sacrement" ....

And then I'm pretty uncertain about the rest, it doesn't match the formula of the records I've seen so far (the formulaic nature of these is a big part of what helps me read them, because I don't know French). Is there a clue in the parts I haven't caught as to who this guy is related to? Thanks for any help.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L99S-DF8W

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u/Spilanthomile — 12 days ago

Quebec marriage record, 1770

I'm trying to read the family relationships of people present at this wedding - Any help would be great starting six lines up from the bottom of this entry, with "jean baptiste becet et michel becet".

Thank you!

u/Spilanthomile — 13 days ago

Sorry for the color of the circle, it looks yellow when I draw it but turns light gray when I save it.

Ever version of this I type comes back with nothing in the french to english translator. Un fentans? Fertans? Fantars?

I'm sure there's other things in the record that I can't read but for whatever reason I'm stuck on this word.

EDIT: While we're at it, I can't get the last word of that same line either.

FINAL EDIT: Last one, not sure of the surname of the last witness, Michel mon.....?

Thanks for any help!

u/Spilanthomile — 16 days ago

I've got some conflicting information and I'm trying to sort out which kid from this family is which. I have a lot of links and records, the TLDR is: Is it more likely that a profile on nosorigines has the wrong kid's baptism, and the death record got the age wrong, or that a name got mixed up somewhere and the nosorigines profile is correct?

Starting with:

Marriage of Jean-Baptiste Cyr & Louise Giroux, 1810:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L993-ZZ29

Says the husband was previously married, found marriage between him and Marie Anne Bourgeois, 1805, that names his parents (Joseph Cyr & Magdeleine Gaudet):

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8993-Z87J

And a baptism that appears to be him in 1781:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L993-NC3R

So far so good. But then trying to find his death record lead me to this nosorignes profile that thinks he was born in 1775

https://www.nosorigines.qc.ca/GenealogieQuebec.aspx?genealogie=Cyr_Jean-Baptiste&pid=631944

The same couple did have a child named Jean Marie on that date:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G993-NZXF

And there is a death record, for Jean Baptiste Cyr husband of Louise Giroux, that states he was 67 yrs old in 1844, which would have him born in 1777, closer to the earlier date than the later one.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G99Q-Q9C2-7

I guess typing this all out it seems more likely that the death record has his age wrong and the nosorigines profile is wrong, but it made me think I had something messed up so I would love more experienced opinions. If you got this far, thank you

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u/Spilanthomile — 16 days ago

Edit: I'm going with it's probably Harmidas, some chance of Hormidas. Thanks for the help everyone.

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I would love any opinions on what the first name is on the right-hand page, last one in the list of signatures that are all lined up (not the one that's off-set to the right of the rest).

Thank you!

u/Spilanthomile — 19 days ago

Hello - I'm having trouble reading this baptism with kinda rough handwriting. I'm especially trying to read the date of the record, and the date of birth of the person (often they will say something like, born the night before, or something like that). I'm including the full page and a closeup of the entry in question, but I think there's multiple people's writing on here because most entries are in Latin but this one is in French. If anyone has an account on FamilySearch there might be better resolution here:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G993-F93X-2

Thank you!

u/Spilanthomile — 25 days ago