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Looking for The Tribune Archive: Wednesday, November 1, 1967 • Scranton, Pennsylvania Page 10

Based on Anthony Trotta, can see it says he died in an accident. Don’t even need the actual clipping, would just like to know the story. Thanks in advance!

I’m researching my great grandfather born 4th or 14th July 1873. William Hugh Martin. British origin resident Montreal Canada (according to uk census) This search has been ongoing for the last 10 years and we have not been able to find a birth certificate or any other information confirming his presence in Canada. He turns up in the UK Durham South Shields in 1900 married to Sophia Matilda Webb and a son William Alfred Martin. His marriage certificate in 1900 indicates that his father was Arthur Martin, horse dealer. Family members have previously said that there is a French Canadian connection. There is a photo of a man in a French Uniform (confirmed by Canadian military to be about 1870) We assume that this is Arthur. I just don’t know where to go from here. I’ve searched on my heritage and ancestry with no luck. We originally thought that his mother was Mary Eade married to William Henry Martin but the son they had was William Thomas Martin born in September 1873 in the US. He married someone else so we have discounted this. He could have been born out of wedlock or even born under another name. Not sure if any can help.

Hiya, I’m struggling to find information on this so I was hoping you can help to provide some guidance. I'm building my family tree and can't find much information on him nor his parents.

My grandad was born in Saratov 1939, name Vyacheslav Artiomov. Having married my nan in Lithuania in the 60s and moving there - I live in the UK and was wondering how I can go about retrieving his certificate?

I’m deep into a research project trying to piece together the circumstances of my father’s birth family. My dad was abandoned by his parents as a baby, so these are people neither he nor I ever met.

As I dig through records and learn more, I have been experiencing this sensation a bit like de ja vous. It’s as if I am rediscovering things I once knew, but had forgotten long ago…except that I am definitely learning things I never knew before.

Anyone else experience something like this?

One other little spooky detail I’ll add - my first name is a variant of my great grandfather’s middle name (and my first name is not common). Someone looking at my family tree might assume I was named for him, but I definitely was not.

Anyway, weird stuff.

Hello everyone,

For some time now, I’ve been trying to figure out where my GGGF died. My GGF and his brother are buried next to each other, and their other brother is buried in a nearby village. However, despite all of that, no one knows where their father my GGGF is buried.

My GGF used to constantly talk to my father, my aunt, and my grandmother about his grandfather and his sisters, but the grave was never mentioned. There is also no known information about when he was born or where he died. The only thing that is known is that he was a very successful merchant.

Now I’m wondering if you have any similar unresolved family mysteries that you were unable to solve, and if you could give me some advice on how I might continue my search. I’ve already checked death records, but found nothing. Maybe he died in a different municipality it’s hard to know. It really feels like a mystery I might never fully solve, even though I’d like to learn as much as possible about him.I’m talking about Serbia

Long story short I have a relative who was seemingly given away at birth as he appears with a random family in Birmingham UK, I paid for the GRO image of his birth and it shows his mother but no father

Her name and surname annoyingly could be spelled at least 3 different ways and I have tried wild carding them and looking for her birth, marriage, even death, census records, nothing can't find even a whiff of her anywhere and it's driving me insane

It's not even that long ago he would have been born in 1890, I had less pain going back to early 1600s for another branch but this is a hard dead end 😭

I have ordered a DNA test kit as a bit of fun to see who pops up and I'm really hoping someone around Birmingham will pop up with a surname like hers to narrow it down but, failing that what else can I potentially do? I enjoy looking up relatives but so far I've not had one just vanish into nothing barely 100 years ago

I am in search of an obituary or mention of death for Mrs. Martha “Mattie” White (maiden name Stone), widow of Stephen B. White, and mother of Claud E. White.

Date of Birth: Oct 28, 1869
Date of Death: Jun 4, 1933

She was born and died in Georgia in the Madison County area. Her burial is at Old Danielsville Presbyterian Church.

I’ve been digging and have the death certificate, but a newspaper mention would be wonderful as well.

I am out of options. I have no clue where to look for my mother’s side of the family. I know her grandparents names and have no records aside from this. Missing birth and immigration records, their names will not show up on almost any sites, I’ve searched Russian, Ukrainian, and Polish databases… I am at a loss

If anyone has any encouraging insight, please send my way

So I’ve been a member of ancestry.com for well over 10 years and done lots of research and compilations As of recently Ancestry changed its membership terms and now you can practically do nothing on a free account unless you have all the information in front of you. For years and years and up until recently, ancestry allowed you to click on a potential hint, review it and accept or deny the details of it to build your family tree. Now the free account, you have to manually put everything in and can’t even view hints to see potential matches anymore, which makes the app feel like it’s completely hidden behind paywalls and there’s no difference in a piece of paper and a free ancestry account now. I think their new terms is what is going to stray me away from the app, as I personally don’t think $70-100 for 6 months is worth it, considering it used to all be free, minus viewing the full documents and photos. I’d like to hear others opinions on this new change.

I’ve been on my own genealogy journey and I just received my grandfather’s death cert. He passed away in 2015 in the United States.

On the death certificate, it lists his birthplace as Chile. It has his SSN number, him as widowed. They list his parents as ‘unknown’. His race as Hispanic. And yet whoever did this, literally wrote “Mexican American” onto the form. That + the lack of his parents info likely means we need to get it amended.

None of his children would have put “Mexico” in any documentation because they all know their roots. So lol. This was done by whoever the clerk / coroner who did this.

What gets me is that it literally says ‘Chile’ on all of my grandpa’s documentation. Death cert states “place of birth” as Chile!! So how did they come to the conclusion of ‘Mexican American’?? They’re not even neighbours.

This is a vent so let me get this out but the lack of geographic literacy in this country makes me so mad. The lack of care for putting correct info on a 2010 document, out of all years, like?? Parent info as ‘unknown’ when it’s known because it’s in his records … ?

I’ve been looking at baptisms and census records from 1800’s and they all are way more diligent and intentional! You get a wealth of history / info from each document. I know sometimes they put incorrect info, but it does seem there was a genuine intention in getting it correct. And give as much context as possible (parents names, where they were born, born overseas, what country, etc etc). There’s also a bit of leeway in it being a document from 1765 or something when only a select few knew how to read and write.

I have hired genealogists from 3 different countries btw. And this is true across each country, these old timey records are very diligent.

I know Mexican Americans are way more common than Chilean Americans. But lol. At the end of the day I know it’s no big deal and I will be fixing it, but I see it as a simple line to erase one’s history and roots and box him into a demographic that he has no home or belonging to. Think it’s a bit of spiritual thing for me.. my vent is that I just expected more from a 2010 document lol. It also doesn’t help with the dumb American stereotype at all to put anyone they deem Latino as Mexican.

Anyway thanks for reading.

I'm not sure how far it is down the line I think maybe a 5th or 6th cousin if those are even things. My mom says they aren't related because my great grandma would always have to approve of any boys my mom and her sisters brought home to make sure they weren't her cousins (inbreeding was a thing in their neck of woods, Southerners you know) but she said nothing about my dad.

I am attempting to locate a family member’s home using the 1950 census in rural South Dakota. The “address” listed on the record is “NW 27-22-15”

The enumeration district number is 53-18. I know that this is Flat Creek Township in Perkins County, SD, which only had a total population of like…49 people, and the household I’m trying to find holds 9 of them, so you would think it would be easier, haha. Usually, I don’t struggle with this sort of thing, but I’ve never really researched anywhere quite this rural and it still seems extremely rural today.

Thank you in advance for any assistance and please let me know if there’s any other information needed to solve this!

TLDR: I can’t find Patrick Dawson and wife Mary Murphy’s marriage or other records showing that they existed in 1820-1840 Quebec.

Its long, but intriguing.

Published 1891, Portrait and Biographical History of Lake County IL:

**Patrick Dawson, deceased, is a pioneer settler of the town of Deerfield, where he located in 1846. He was born in County Sligo, Ireland, in 1809, and was a son of Daniel Dawson. When nineteen years of age, he emigrated to America, landing in Canada and in Quebec, in 1833, was united in marriage with Miss Mary Murphv, a daughter of Peter and Mary Murphy, She was also a native of County Sligo, Ireland, born about 1809, and with her family crossed the broad Atlantic to Canada, when sixteen years of age.

It was in 1838, when Mr. Dawson, accompanied by his family, crossed the line into the United States, and located in Albany, N. Y., where he made his home for two years, settling in Illinois in 1840. He located in the town of Lake, where he was engaged in farming and in raising and shipping hay for the Chicago market. In December. 1846, he moved to Deerfield Township, Lake County, arrived at his destination on the 22nd of that month.**

He died there in Sept 1875 and Mary died in 1876.

Other information: From Find a Grave, and Illinois censuses, their first son James Dawson was born in NY in either 1834 (gravestone says 42 years old, died 1876) or ca. 1838 (1850 census reports James as 12). I don’t place much confidence in either age or date. Patrick and Mary themselves changed relative ages between censuses, and they were illiterate like many Irish immigrants.

Now the problem. I can find no records of this particular Patrick Dawson in Quebec, and without records of him, it’s tough to know which record of Mary Murphy is the correct one. Young people from Ireland with the names Patrick Dawson and Mary Murphy and of roughly appropriate ages both came over in 1825 on The Fortitude in the Peter Robinson migration and settled in Ontario, and that Mary also had a mother Mary, but I don’t think that is them. That Patrick seems to stay in Ontario, and there is nothing to suggest the couple ever spent time there. .

The Illinois part of their lives is well established, he (and family) appears in 3 and she appears in 4 censuses, but their lives in Quebec (and even NY) is a black hole. There are no naturalization papers for Albany County NY, and if there were any from their early years in Lake, IL they were destroyed in the Chicago fire.

Its pretty clear (to me) that their biography is what was passed down orally to children and or friends and neighbors, rather than having been extracted from document research. Its also clear that dates and ages in 200 year old oral biographies can’t be taken at face value. Maybe other things can get smudged too, like Irish county of origin?

Did they fabricate the story? That seems highly unlikely, so except for a few quick searches of immigrant lists I have not attempted to DISprove it. .

So if they were landed and living and married in Quebec, as I feel confident they were, did they change surname when moving to the US?

Using wildcard searches for every Mary Murphy who married a Patrick D in 1830’s Quebec I found a Patrick Drean and Mary Murphy, he from County Sligo (match) and she from County Monaghan (not a perfect match, but geographically close). They were married in Quebec (match) in 1836 (not a match, but close, and makes more sense given when their first son was reportedly born—getting married 5 years before a first born makes no sense) and had a first son named James (match) born in Quebec (not a match to census) also in 1836 (splits the difference between estimated 1834 and 1838 birth years on Find a Grave and census). The spelling also changed from Drean to Derrin at James’s birth. He is listed as James DREAN DERRIN in church records. I don’t know if that’s a change that they stuck with, but either way I can’t find them again in Canada or US. There are nearly infinite variations of spelling on names like that.

But: Patrick Drean’s father’s name was Daniel (matches the biography) and Mary’s parents names were Mary and Peter (match and match). Also, the biography says that Patrick crossed the line into NY “accompanied by his family” which suggests (to me) that they came with a child that was born in Canada.

And: The biography mentions nothing about Patrick’s birth family aside from his father’s name, and indeed there are no relatives attached to Patrick Drean in prdh/Quebec church records. Meanwhile the biography mentions that Mary came over from Ireland with family, and indeed this Mary Murphy Drean Derrin’s parents and siblings are all linked to her in prdh records and most including her mother seem to have remained and died in Canada. Not only that, Mary and Patrick’s and James’s Quebec church record history ends with the birth of James. I don’t find them again. They must have either died anonymously, changed their name spelling again, or Quebec or Canada.

Did they move somewhere else and I just haven’t found them or did they move to NY and start calling themselves Dawson? There is zero proof of that being the case. But I also have nothing better to explain why I can’t find Patrick Dawson and a wife Mary Murphy in Quebec, with their excellent record keeping. The mismatched years and mismatches aren’t insurmountable for me, but the last name difference can’t be ignored and requires some proof. I can't find any.

Their will be no birth certificates for the Dawson children born in the US because they were all born prior to such things. I found a death certificate for one of the Dawson children that states both parents were born in Ireland (no county given), so that doesn’t really help. I can get birth certs for later generations but they won’t help prove their grandparent’s connection to Canada.

There is what I believe to be an erroneous Frances attached to Daniel Dawson as his spouse on a tree in Ancestry.com, but I’m sure that’s a mistaken transcription from a scribbled census record. Daniel Drean’s wife was Margaret McAnessen in Quebec church records, but there is no further info on either of them and no indication either one was ever in Canada.

I am stumped, for the moment anyway. I don’t intend to give up but maybe someone else can dig up a new clue or suggest something I haven’t thought of. I don't intend to hire anyone so that's off the table. There's no big hurry but I'd sure like to get to the bottom of this ancestral mystery! I'm happy to do the work but not sure what to do next.

Hi all! A couple months ago, I found out I had access to ancestry premium through my universities library, so naturally I have fallen down a genealogy rabbit hole. However, this rabbit hole has mostly been focused on trying to figure out what the heck happened to my 3x great grandfather. If possible, I want to try and learn who his parents were. I'm pretty new to this, so any tips or ideas or help would be greatly appreciated! I don't want to provide too much info as I don't want to make this post too long, but I can provide more information if need be.

The problem is his name changes over time. Sometimes he goes by his initials, sometimes he goes by his full name. He first appears on the 1875 Kansas Census as living with another family as a farmer. He lists his place of birth as Ohio in 1853, but I cannot find any birth certificate and I'm struggling to find record of families with the last name Rose in Ohio at that time who might have had a baby boy. While his place of birth stays the same, where his parents, particularly his father were born change. It's usually New York, but sometimes it's New Jersey and once it's Ohio. I have both his marriage certificates, and I also have the record from when he purchased 160 acres of land in 1889, but after the 1930 census I cannot find any record of him. I'm worried maybe I should just give up on trying to find this guy and that he will forever be an enigma, but I really want to try and find him and any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks so much in advance!

Edit in case anyone is willing to help: his name was Sanjuan Rose, sometimes referred to as SS Rose, he was born in 1853 in Ohio. He spent most of his life moving around Kansas. If you want to help or have any questions please reach out!

Would love a second pair of eyes on this problem I'm having. I cant seem to find a specific family in the 1880s census. I know where they live during that year, thanks to a city directory. But would love to have the 1880s census too.

Location: Atchison, Kansas 

Address: "n. s. Main, w. of 9th st." 

Persons: 

• Mother: Anna/Annie Underwood (might also be under Campbell). Born in North Carolina. All her children were born in Missouri. City Directory: "Underwood, Annie, wid. David, n. s. Main, w. of 9th st." The David here was David Campbell, died around 1871 (See edit note**).
• Thomas Underwood. Born ~1860, would be ~20 in 1880. City Directory Listing: "Underwood, Thomas F., boiler maker C. B. U. P. R. R., res. n. s. Main, w. of 9th st."
• Hevery/Henry Underwood. Born ~1862, would be ~18 in 1880. City Directory Listing: "Underwood, Henry H., laborer, res. n. s. Main, w. of 9th." 
• William Underwood. Born ~1864, would be ~16 in 1880. I think I found him listed with a different family in the 1880s census as a "hired by" on a farm. City Directory Listing: "Underwood, William S., driver, n. s. Main, w. of 9th st."
• Eliza Underwood. Born ~1868, would be ~12 in 1880.

 

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A commenter made me realize a mistake I made. I believe Anna had two husbands; David Underwood and Daniel Campbell. In my original post, I had confused the two names and assumed "David" was the Campbell husband. I'll admit, I have more research to do on this family in order to get everything straight. 😅

Good morning, i hope you are all having a beautiful day. I was hoping to ask for help or advice. I love genealogy, but it’s just a hobby and i haven’t taken any classes. I started it because I don’t know most my biological family and I was curious. My grandmother, grandfather and I all took the ancestry test a few years back for Christmas. It came back with no native American, which surprised me because people swear we have some.

The individual I’m having trouble with in my family tree is my 7th great grandmother. Allegedly she was the daughter of a Chief Cornstalk. The problem I’m running into is there are actual books that mention his genealogy and my other relatives are not in it. I don’t believe we are related.

It’s hard because I have some great examples on some good hobby and professional genealogists (my grandmother‘s hobby, my cousin went to school for this) and they‘ve been doing this a lot longer than I have and they swear 100% without a doubt we are related. I’m doubting myself. It’s a hobby, but I want to get it right.

What would be the proper response to this? As far as I can tell there is no evidence that this individual was related. I know he existed. I got in trouble for wanting to take these individuals out of my family tree because I was disrespectful and thought i knew more than them (I didn’t mean to make anybody feel like that I just don’t see any evidence)

In these situations, what do you do? Because I’m at a loss on to keep them because they’re so sure we’re very distantly related or remove it completely because I can’t find the evidence. This has caused unnecessary tension these past few days. I know I won’t always get it right, but I will always do my best. I got to meet so many people I’d never have the opportunity to if i hadn’t gotten into it. I met my biological mother. Things that could never have happened if i didn’t try to figure out where they were (this is not an adoption situition, it’s a foster care one. I don’t want anyone think I was disrespecting her wishes she asked me too in a letter she left when i was too young to read it.

I’m sorry for going off topic please give me grace. this is just so frustrating to me and again I know I won’t get it right all the time, but i really do do my best and i don’t know how to go about it. I do hope that’s not common sense because that would be embarrassing.

My great grandfather was supposedly born in Cleveland, OH in 1909, and his siblings were supposedly born in Michigan. I’ve called family members to verify and ask if they have a copy or have seen a copy of a birth record on any of them. All of them said they’ve never seen any birth document, they just trusted what they were told. I’ve scoured Family Search and Ancestry for days and days with no luck. My question is, if I don’t actually know where he was born for sure, do I just need to place an order with Ohio Vital Stats anyway for them to look? I wouldn’t care so much about a birth record if I had other documents on him or his family, but it’s like the guy and his family didn’t exist. I’m aware I could be looking for something that doesn’t exist, but I’d prefer to exhaust all my options first.

My mother passed four years ago and bequeathed me a ton of research -- figure about six or seven totes' worth. Some of the stuff is obviously valuable: photo albums, "History of [x] town" books. The other stuff is mostly loose paper. Some of it in folders. Some of the research is 20 years old -- at least. Handwritten notes. No idea if any of this stuff is in FamilySearch or Ancestry.

I don't know what to do with all of this. I'm not close or in touch with with any of the people on that side of the family, so I have nobody to pass it along to.

What are your thoughts? I'm in the Austin, TX metro area if that helps with suggestions or specifics.

A large part of my family immigrated to Kansas from Canada, Iowa to Kansas, Illinois to Kansas. I am struggling to find birth, death and marriage records for several people. I have reached out to the Kansas Historical society both by phone and email. But to date I have not heard back on any requests.

Does anyone here have any experience on how to go about finding these records? I know the dates needed can be hit or miss as to if and where records were kept. I would just like to converse with someone with knowledge so I can either chalk it up to a lost cause, pursue it further, or look at other avenues of research. Any insight would be greatly appreciated!