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DARPA LIFT: I Want My $6.5 Million for Solving Your Non-Problem — Here Is the First-Principles Aerodynamics

DARPA LIFT: I Want My $6.5 Million for Solving Your Non-Problem — Here Is the First-Principles Aerodynamics

DARPA LIFT: I Want My $6.5 Million for Solving Your Non-Problem — Here Is the First-Principles Aerodynamics

For context:

I entered the DARPA LIFT Challenge after telling its organizer, Phillip Smith, that I believed 20:1 payload-to-weight was easily achievable.

I later told him in writing to bring a WWII Jeep and an M1097A2 Humvee as competition payloads — over 40:1 and 100:1 respectively for a 55 lb aircraft.

I am posting the underlying first-principles argument publicly.

If the physics is wrong, please identify exactly where it is wrong.

Mr. Smith,

When I entered the DARPA LIFT Challenge, I told you plainly that I intended to walk away with all six prizes and the full $6.5 million.

That wasn't bravado.

It was because I believed the Challenge was built around a remarkably simple conceptual error:

CONVENTIONAL DRONE PERFORMANCE HAD BEEN MISTAKEN FOR A LIMITATION IMPOSED BY PHYSICS.

The error is easy to expose.

Take a hypothetical aerodynamic surface operating at:

L/D = 1,000,000 : 1

If it produces one unit of drag, it produces one million units of lift:

Drag = 1 unit

Lift = 1,000,000 units

Nothing mysterious is happening, and nothing violates conservation of energy.

The aerodynamic polar defines the lift-to-drag force relationship at that operating point.

A PROPELLER IS ALSO A WING.

Its blades operate from aerodynamic polars.

The motor supplies torque against the aerodynamic resistance of those blades while their aerodynamic force is resolved principally into useful thrust.

Now use that thrust to drive an aircraft wing, or use a propeller to tip-drive another rotor.

You have created successive aerodynamic force transformations.

The analogy is a compound lever: force ratios can be stacked.

In simplified force terms:

System force ratio = R1 x R2 x R3 x ... x Rn

For example, four hypothetical aerodynamic stages each providing an effective 100:1 force ratio give:

100 x 100 x 100 x 100 = 100,000,000

Every real aerodynamic stage must, of course, have a physically valid combination of radius, RPM, chord, pitch, Reynolds number, velocity triangle and airfoil polar.

And the entire system must obey conservation of energy.

Those are engineering constraints.

They do not change the underlying force relationships.

AND HERE IS THE CRITICAL POINT:

We can keep adding aerodynamic working area to target essentially any desired finite payload-to-aircraft-weight ratio until actual structural, geometric, Reynolds-number, mass, or mission constraints establish the practical limit.

The lift equation is elementary:

Lift = 1/2 x rho x V^2 x S x CL

where:

rho = air density

V = aerodynamic velocity

S = aerodynamic working area

CL = coefficient of lift

At the same air density, velocity and CL, lift increases directly with aerodynamic working area S.

If additional lift is required while maintaining the desired aerodynamic operating point:

INCREASE S.

ADD AREA.

There is no law of aerodynamics requiring a drone designer to hold lifting area fixed and compensate for increasing payload by continually increasing power density, aerodynamic loading, battery mass and aircraft mass.

That is a DESIGN CONVENTION.

It is not physics.

My LIFT designs exploited exactly this principle at different scales.

When more lift was required, I didn't accept the performance envelope of existing drones as an immutable constraint.

I ADDED AERODYNAMIC WORKING AREA.

That is why I entered the Challenge.

I did not believe I had discovered a way around physics.

I believed the Challenge had confused the performance of conventional drone architectures with the limits imposed by physics.

That is confirmation bias.

I recognized this before entering, which is exactly why I confidently told you that I expected to win all six prizes.

I then diverted approximately nine months of engineering effort and substantial commercial opportunity to solving the problem DARPA put in front of me.

So let me be equally direct now:

I WANT MY $6.5 MILLION FOR SOLVING YOUR NON-PROBLEM.

If my first-principles analysis is wrong, show me where.

Show where the aerodynamic polar fails.

Show why successive physically valid aerodynamic force transformations cannot be engineered.

Or identify the physical law that prohibits increasing aerodynamic working area until the required payload-to-weight ratio is achieved.

If that cannot be demonstrated, then America deserves an answer to a much simpler question:

WHY WERE WE GIVING AWAY $6.5 MILLION TO SOLVE A SUPPOSED DRONE-PERFORMANCE BARRIER THAT WAS SUBSTANTIALLY THE PRODUCT OF A CONCEPTUAL ERROR AND CONFIRMATION BIAS?

I am quite willing to have that discussion publicly.

John L. Bass

Senior Engineer

KISS Engineering

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P.S. — I WAS FEELING PARTICULARLY CONFIDENT ON MY BIRTHDAY

The following was sent directly to Phillip Smith on April 19, before the present dispute:

Re: Contact Us Via DARPA.mil

Hi Phillip,

When I started the conversation below I suggested 20:1 was easily possible, which I'm certain you felt was beyond belief at the time.

Hopefully you have other designs by now that are crossing well above 10:1 so that doesn't feel entirely impossible at this point.

Would you be willing to provide a WWII Jeep and a M1097A2 Humvee as the payloads at the competition since the stack of barbell weights is getting a bit unwieldy at these points? Yes that's a bit over 40:1 and 100:1 for a 55lb drone. Makes for much better photo ops for your competition.

John

That wasn't a prediction I made after the fact.

I had already told the Challenge organizer, in writing, to:

BRING ME A HUMVEE.

u/Successful_Act3094 — 3 days ago

Need help? Aero engineering for DLC greater than 8:1 is easier that believed!

DM me if you would like to upgrade your accepted DLC entry to between 10:1 to 20:1. The key physics, which many drone folks miss, that you absolutely need to understand, starts here: https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/07_phak_ch5_0.pdf

Overloading a wing or propeller doesn't work well, failing hard, the primary mistake most rotor supported VTOL designers get wrong. Key takeaways you need to think hard about for wings and propellers:

https://preview.redd.it/n5knphv09qah1.png?width=403&format=png&auto=webp&s=cdc590ab04299522319fc097d54cb07fd99d3105

https://preview.redd.it/q1kjuan69qah1.png?width=694&format=png&auto=webp&s=d9f25b9b6706d4cb34b663b320da20f0951084d0

https://preview.redd.it/zg81bdsd9qah1.png?width=399&format=png&auto=webp&s=7171b56c170968a353260aeaf3a28322b157f4d6

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u/Successful_Act3094 — 23 days ago

A different DLC format that would be a lot more fair ...

Just my thoughts ... Structuring the event with a strict review and selection process that eliminates 75% of the possible teams up front wasn't really necessary.

A much more fair solution would have been to make day one available to anyone that shows up with their Part 107 UAS license and a registered Part 107 Remote ID drone, submit to a first come first serve, one lap pre-qualification flight with their max known weight, in a 10-15 minute max slot time. Then allow the top 50 pre-qualification teams slots in day 2 and 3 of the event, do the full 4-1NM course as the final competitive trial. Maybe spilling pre-qual into the 2nd day morning if more teams show up.

Every team that spent months, and thousands of dollars building a quality drone, gets their chance to participate in the pre-qual, and show off their talent to the world with bragging rights that they did compete in a fair open Challenge.

Actually still possible since DLC already moved the flight ready goal post 2-1/2 months early, catching a lot of teams planning first flights in July off guard. Opening a last chance pre-qual event for the first day, would give everyone a chance.

For student teams with FRC 6 week build experience, this would have been their plan, to start and knock out the build after classes let out in May or June.

Your thoughts?

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u/Successful_Act3094 — 1 month ago

The Peoples Lift Challenge

Still want to show off your design after getting passed over by DARPA? Anybody up for a small weekend hobby drone event Aug 1st and 2nd? I have a small 16 acre farm in SW Kansas that has enough room to set up a DARPA style 1/4 mile track. If there is enough interest I'll see if I can get a permit from the county to host an informal hobby drone get together should the RSVP list get too long ... otherwise a few of us can have an informal meet up. DM me.

Simple rule, nothing flies outside over 54 lbs, unless it's part 103 ultralight compliant. Which means if is really heavy, you will need to meet part 103 requirements of less than 254 lbs empty, and stay under the 55 knot speed limit. Over 54 lbs, you will need to safely pilot your drone clipped in from the load sling ... and we will count your fat ass as part of the payload to drone ratio. So ... ROTFLMAO ... any takers? Bragging rights granted ... LOL

Safety first by all means. Clean family friendly only. Bring your pg/ppg/trike wing for some more fun too.

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u/Successful_Act3094 — 1 month ago
▲ 6 r/FRC

Looking for some experienced FRC talent to help with DARPA Lift Challenge (DLC) in August.

I've submitted three physics validated designs to the DLC portal, and looking for a few team members to help complete the build out and take them to competition in Aug. I mentored an FRC team for 8 years, an awesome experience for daughter, and myself. DLC will be almost as much fun, and comes with a paycheck for the team, and to create equally fun jobs with. See https://www.reddit.com/r/DarpaLiftChallenge/

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u/Successful_Act3094 — 2 months ago

Likely Density Altitude payload derating at DLC

Teams from cool dry sea level locations should be aware of likely Density Altitude payload reductions.

From AI : High density altitude (DA) decreases drone lift and thrust. In Dayton, OH (field elevation ~1,000 feet MSL), a warm or humid summer day results in a DA of 2,000 to 3,000 feet. This thin air reduces your drone's maximum thrust to roughly 85% to 90% of its sea-level, cold-dry performance.

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u/Successful_Act3094 — 2 months ago

I guess I should ask ... who else has a design that is better than 8:1?

It's not easy to beat 2:1, and extremely hard with off the shelf motors, props, batteries, and other parts to get past 4:1. So with 9 weeks to go, who has a path to beat 4:1? ... who has a path to beat 8:1? Anybody with path to get 500lbs off the ground and around the 4nm course? Path to get 5,000lbs off the ground and around the course?

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u/Successful_Act3094 — 2 months ago
▲ 2 r/DarpaLiftChallenge+1 crossposts

Looking for several people to join my DLC team

I have a high performance, strict 1st principles KISS design that exceeds 8:1 payload to lift ratio, and looking for several team members to iterate the build, fly and test for a solid DLC win in August. Offering a 1% share in the winning prizes, plus a fun two months of pure tech madness during June, July and then August for the competition. Could turn into your best paycheck for pure geekdom this summer. Bring your sleeping bag, mat, several changes of clothes, positive attitude, some spending money and some food money, and join the team next week in Kansas ... land of Oz fun. Balance of winning funds will be dedicated to starting a drone and ultralight aircraft company here in Kansas, with team members having first pick priority for staffing slots, sweat equity rewarded. Take home $5K for technology prize, $10K for 3d place or $25K for 1st, plus a guaranteed fun summer experience. And maybe that dream job too ... training with an experienced 30+ years Sr. Engineer, mentor, and business owner. Bring your ppg, pg, hang glider wings ... for even more fun. Special preference for those with First Robotics Competition experience. And be sure and bring your own ideas, I've setup three entries, each better than the previous, maybe you have one to lead with too ... bonus's possible. My small 16 acre farm, is in the middle of crop circles and ranch land. Our own flight test range, outside the 50x75ft shops door, with several towns 20-40 minutes away. Nobody to complain. Two Longer LK1's, five Creality CR-M4's, one OrangeStorm Giga, plus parts to build several custom large format printers if needed. Bring your PLA Plus/Pro if you have a special project. Mini-Mills, lathes, table/band saws, welders, plasma cutters, drill presses, other tools as needed.

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u/Successful_Act3094 — 2 months ago