My pm dr is pushing for a spinal fusion even though i’ve been repeatedly told i’m not a good candidate

For a multitude of reasons. One being severe complications i’ve had in 2 out of my 3 previous spinal surgeries. i have a clotting factor disorder and have had DVTs and Pulmonary embolisms from stopping my meds and from the trauma and clotting surgery causes my body.

I have Elher danlos syndrome and it’s caused my joints and bones to be pretty fragile.

i have an inflammation disorder and the hardware in my body could irritate this and cause excruciating flare ups

i am obese and most drs don’t like preforming surgery on me (it took going through a lot of drs while in patient in the hospital just to get my last surgery which obviously failed)

I am currently being evaluated for a heart condition/ partial blockage or electrical conduction issue in my right valve

but my new PM dr that i have only had for a few months has been pushing me to go see a neurosurgeon and talk about a spinal fusion which the dr who did surgery on me last year decided against last minute because of all of these issues but said if my l5s1 disc slipped again this would be the only option for me.

I do have some limiting mobility on one of my extremities as a result of the disc slip but this has been present since my first slip that smashed that nerve. he seems to think the fusion will help it.

i do not.

He also insinuates that this will improve my pain when 3 previous surgeries have not

I think it will make it worse.

I truly think he believes this is a step to wean me off the medication that has allowed me to live a somewhat productive life as a wife and mother despite using a mobility aid when walking any further than around my house.

I’ve accepted my limitations and am afraid of being put in a worse outcome than what I have now, or worse, having another clot and not surviving it this time.

I don’t know what to do really, because if i refuse to participate my PM dr could drop me. and i live with he kind of intractable pain that has me passing out in the ER when im not on my medication.

I have a doctors appointment next week with a neurosurgeon and know it’s going to go one of two ways.

One, he’s going to do what most other drs have done and refuse to touch me given my co morbidities.

two, he’s going to want to do the surgery and i run the risk of something awful happening.

Either way i’m not sure how my pm drs going to take it when i explain how unrealistic it is for me to spend another 2-3 months in inpatient recovery like every other time (because of the blood clotting disorder and needing PT) with no one to watch my child and a husband who can’t possibly take that long off work. And my unwillingness to take the risks to my health and life for a “maybe”

This is mostly a vent but any advice would be so appreciated too.

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u/TheWitchress — 12 days ago

Quick question. Why the fuck did my PM dr write a “do not fill before” date on my prescription?

Refill too soon
Your prescriber instructed us not to fill this before a certain date. Need it soon? Contact your prescriber directly.

EDIT to clarify:

technically today would be 30 days since my last upped dosage refill was picked up on the 2nd of september.
my previous lower dose refill was the 4th

but since it was implied that i could start the 3 a day that day (the 2nd) i technically ran out of meds on the 3rd.

That’s why i was confused.

I understand the rest isn’t my pharmacy or drs problem. i was just explaining why i picked up the refill on the 2nd since it was available, even though i had some of the old prescriptions pills left.

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I go to my appointments at or around my refill dates, usually because I have to schedule it around my husband’s days off because I can’t drive and it falls around that time every month.

My dose was upped this last month on the 2nd, my usual refill date is the 4th. I picked up my new prescription on the 2nd and took my previous meds the way I was prescribed on my upped dosage. (no one told me not to, in fact he almost insinuated to start the 3 a day immediately) Which would put me being out of meds on the 3rd instead of having my last dose on the 4th since there’s only 30 days in September.

My husband works from before the pharmacy opens and we live an hour away from his job so he’s usually home right around the time the pharmacy is closing. So if my refill date is kept the same date. I’ll be out of meds a full day before being able to get my refill as it’s worked out right now.

I am just trying to find a reason why my dr would set a fill date for a “future date” when i’m technically supposed to be able to pick it up on the 2nd (today) or 3rd (tomorrow) anyways given the refill date resets when my meds are upped.

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u/TheWitchress — 12 days ago

How do i gently ask for an increase in pain meds?

I’ve been on 10 mg oxy for almost 2 years now. recently switched to a new Pm dr because my old one retired ( thank god, honestly. He was horrible and didn’t listen to anything i said ever.)

i was on a higher dose, 10 mg 4 x a day but my dr decided to take a vacation he forgot to tell his staff or patients about and left all of his opioids patients with no meds for a month. So his relief (that i never met) had to prescribe everybody’s meds and sent 10 mg 2 x a day and 5 mg once a day to my pharmacy and i guess at that point my dr knew he was leaving because he wouldn’t up the dose back to what it was before. (white coats came and sat in at all his appointments and he started weirding everyone out saying we shouldn’t be on pain meds and it was just for surgery etc and we gotta wean down. Out of character completely so i assume it was the DEA) Despite my explaining i built a tolerance and taking me off an entire pill and a half suddenly was greatly affecting me. Frankly the guy didn’t give a shit.

Eventually i got used to the dose and learned to pace myself and when the pain comes back i just suffer till my next dose. I have a high metabolism so the meds last maybe 4/5 hours at max before I’m hurting pretty badly again. This is month 5 or 6 something like that on the lowered dose and i’m to the point it’s not helping at all. i’ve got another disc slip in the same place for the 3rd time. they’re talking about a fusion. a new slip on my cervical spine and a new slip in my thoracic. severe stenosis. arthritis, sciatica, nerve damage and pain and deformities from the disc bulges pressing on my vertebrae.
You get my point.

I’ve only seen this new pain management doctor twice. The first time i went without meds during the screening and intake (they had to get my urine test back, i get it) and i went into withdraws and suffered badly for a week.

At my second appointment he actually looked surprised when telling me how bad my new MRI was on my lower spine and that i needed a spinal fusion. He had no problem at that point prescribing my 2.5 oxy a day and a muscle relaxer. I don’t know how to tell this guy that these doses aren’t helping me. That i’m spending most of my day in bed not even able to function. That i know it’s wrong and im a bad patient but im having to pop an extra half almost every day that im wanting to be up and active because the 5 mg dose i can take in the morning or at bedtime does absolutely nothing for me. Which i end up being short and suffering on the days i have to go without to make sure my pill count ( if ever there is one) will be correct.

This will only be my 3rd visit to him in september and i dont know a way to explain this to him other than how i tried explaining it to my old dr and got absolutely nowhere with him. i also dont want to put my old PM dr down or talk badly about him to the new guy. i know how that looks. But the truth is, i got treated like the bare minimum as good enough and anything more than that was asking for too much.

How can i approach this without coming off badly? Most of you know the kind of song and dance we have to do to survive this system. Thank you in advance.

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u/TheWitchress — 2 months ago

When did you realize THAT friend is only your friend when it’s convenient for them?

For me it’s been a year of her never texting me back unless she’s asking me for something and waiting until i respond.

Except she doesn’t ask me for something straight out. she will skate around it in a way that makes me think it’s my idea. and i’ll have to go back and read the text to realize what happened.

i’m autistic. like diagnosed when i was a pre teen. What would now be called “high functioning”/level 1 so i don’t really get nuance or pick up on little things till way later unfortunately. Despite being highly perceptive.

Here’s how a typical conversation goes between us.

Me: “ hey, how is everything going, did you guys want to catch a movie with us? We’re going to watch (insert new movie here)

no response for two weeks

Her: Hey! i was throwing this party and have everything set up except i don’t know what to do about (insert thing she knows i have) because i can’t get one rented in time :(

me: Awe that sounds like fun! I have (thing) if you need it! Just let me know

her: oh wow. that would be amazing and will save me so much money, thank you!

me: you’re welcome. by the way. how’s everything going with you and (insert mutual friend or their child or family member here ) OR ill be asking like something general or asking if they wanted to hang out. anything..

crickets

for a week

until

her: HEY so i really don’t know how im going to get this put together by myself in time and my partner works all week

me: Oh , well i can come over and help you with that if you want?

her: oh wow that would be awesome thank you!

and then after i’ll text something. doesn’t matter what. and be left on read for another week

she says she’s bad with texting and remembering to reply but she really doesn’t seem to have a problem when she wants something or wants me to help her with something or needs advice on something

don’t you get notifications on your phone?!?!? and when you are texting
me about whatever it is didn’t you realize i texted and not have the decency to reply to that one first ?!?!?

ANYWAYS. when did you realize your “friend” was only really a friend when it is convenient for them?

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u/TheWitchress — 2 months ago