u/Traditional_Goal_636

What do you say to this??? Like genuinely. How do you respond to this??

SM Naruto is leagues above Tsunade in physical strength. Rasenshuriken is far faster than Susano'o arrows.

I was going to make 2 posts each dedicated to the sentences in the title but I figured that one leads to another, why not mesh them together and so here we are.

This alone should have put him above Tsunade strength-wise as it is AT LEAST quantifiable than punching paper mache:

https://preview.redd.it/uv1qmm6ftf2h1.png?width=984&format=png&auto=webp&s=7d9abc81d0cd5ae40cbaa7367e92e6a3768de1a1

https://preview.redd.it/y3001r1gtf2h1.png?width=984&format=png&auto=webp&s=1ed5449997b0dc57c7446637fcdad3068e127c3c

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But the cope juice is still being widely distributed, so the fandom has plenty to drink. So you may be asking what proof do I have for Naruto being leagues above Tsunade?? Simple the Rasenshuriken. What do I mean??

First let's "establish" something, changes in mass/volume results in changes in density. This is true of the physical world we exist in and is also true of the Naruto world created by Kishimoto:

https://preview.redd.it/d8d8y9wqxf2h1.png?width=920&format=png&auto=webp&s=df3a42bb2b8d0b2c8637b03251937bd00d93eb90

https://preview.redd.it/sb9xla3sxf2h1.png?width=982&format=png&auto=webp&s=15dac89425ff410878f4daa9664ceabc50e146a2

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https://preview.redd.it/lappff2azf2h1.png?width=998&format=png&auto=webp&s=cb8cd2e46695fe600ed5d12d6414d1501fcd28d1

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Why did I put the Rasenshuriken/Rasengan with the bijuu bomb??

https://preview.redd.it/qg4hrnnb1g2h1.png?width=983&format=png&auto=webp&s=453ceefd24a13f41fefff52f723b9fe028b35cdb

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https://preview.redd.it/y4iiy6df1g2h1.png?width=986&format=png&auto=webp&s=8de51ee0a7a80cb0318c311fc5655ec4223cf700

https://preview.redd.it/0s7rpylg1g2h1.png?width=970&format=png&auto=webp&s=24ac502e95ff5ec3f55287e4d064c0379686d654

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https://preview.redd.it/h8te6isl1g2h1.png?width=988&format=png&auto=webp&s=d5e991b51b859ddad1c0d2f58435de4487eeec16

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Whereas the bijuu bomb is about unfettered release(like vomiting, Chapter 519) the Rasengan/Rasenshuriken is about containment. Nigh Infinite attacks contained in an small area:

https://preview.redd.it/fhkb4of62g2h1.png?width=984&format=png&auto=webp&s=0fd0ddfc05adffe66e9e08c4ea29685e0ebf4eb0

And we know that the amount of energy in this thing is ridiculously high from Madara himself(let's not even mention that this is done by a clone):

https://preview.redd.it/n92xvleo2g2h1.png?width=986&format=png&auto=webp&s=e732a805519e5797e4919d0f94be64a6136e3482

Whereas he call A4's V1(or V2 you tell me) pitiful:

https://preview.redd.it/33l3i0ov2g2h1.png?width=983&format=png&auto=webp&s=d5c5112009da4d63f47a60a4decf9668b6c02a97

Who we know has ridiculous amount of energy in that state:

https://preview.redd.it/acpza50q3g2h1.png?width=985&format=png&auto=webp&s=ec35aeb807c8b97198c63b47edd8f0bb12b8870b

From a woman who just saw BM Bee(and his bijuu bomb) and did not blink an eye at the quantity but at the NATURE of the chakra:

https://preview.redd.it/zr2i0wlp4g2h1.png?width=424&format=png&auto=webp&s=74136e9124237cb8c037e0db256d2a78d0f3cf2c

Here it is in English.

This is all just to give you the scale of the energies we are dealing with here.

Which leads us to the meat of the post.

This is "SM" Naruto as seen by Fukasaku.(1)

This is also SM Naruto seen by Fukasaku.(2)

No worry/shock in sight from Fukasaku however when he sees Naruto hurling something like this.

That is where the worry/shock kicks in AFTER watching him do (1) and (2). This tells you the strength required to hurl a rasenshuriken(something imbued with ridiculous energy and high density) is FAAAAAR greater than the one used to bring to a dead stop(from a sprint) with only its horn and chuck it(rhino) into the air. And we have neither seen Tsunade doing something even remotely comparable.

Fukasaku is no slouch in the strength department either. Whether he is stronger than SM Naruto you have to tell me because judging by the pitiful state he is in after lifting that stone while in SM I doubt it. Though if you factor in his size and the fact he lifted it with a single arm I could see the argument that he is. This also applies to him hurling Gamabunta. Whether this places him above Naruto is irrelevant to what we are discussing and is yet another post I maybe will make in the future.

Moving on we arrive on the "speed of the Rasenshuriken vs speed of the Susano'o arrow" and here is the proof for it. This whole entire sequence(from the one labelled Number 1) happens in under a second. Given by both the "Narrator" and the visual cues(Number 2 and Number 3). From the moment he dispelled the first one to the second one clearing half the distance of the crater left by CT. Compared to Susano'o arrows. Note Sasuke let's loose of the arrow as soon as Danzo lands and the old man has the time to lower his arm to his knees , articulate 2 sentences AND initiate a jutsu. The absence of the "Narrator" here is telling as this means time is rooted IN the sequence. We can throw out the lowering of his arm to his knee(to be generous) and stick to the sentences. “I can't weave the signs in time” would usually take about 1.8 to 2.2 seconds to say naturally. BUT since this is a man panicking(displaying urgency through the use of the exclamation mark you know who you are) this would roughly be brought down to 1.3-1.7 seconds to say. Adding the "It can't be helped" which would take ~1.0–1.4 seconds naturally but 0.7-1.0 seconds when panicking mean that Sasuke's arrows take at least ~2 seconds to cover a MUCH shorter distance than the Rasenshuriken did in under a second to cover a MUCH greater one.

Edit: I shouldn't have to tell you the strength required to hurl something that dense at those speeds also reinforces the "SM Naruto is leagues above Tsunade in strength".

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Mfs will hallucinate a Peak MS fresh Sasuke without blindness in match ups. When this is impossible to even fathom. MS Sauce is coughing blood from the usage of his Susano'o with it quivering from firing individual arrows:

https://preview.redd.it/un7m4ffxhxxg1.png?width=694&format=png&auto=webp&s=217ea977767f3a1635f7c27267b23bdeabbfa17c

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https://preview.redd.it/gj67opqyhxxg1.png?width=939&format=png&auto=webp&s=c4e4fa3e7090f8878cc65d1507b92610b0cd3f2e

https://preview.redd.it/o4p5gfdzhxxg1.png?width=492&format=png&auto=webp&s=c608288798c9d4ff7f0f35a2985ac00ce8ddc20c

https://preview.redd.it/zi5ury40ixxg1.png?width=955&format=png&auto=webp&s=101754d2b33964e792b3835e6993f45755067e38

And pit him against SM Naruto with no prep or summons as if that is somehow equivalent. You have just changed a fundamental component of a state(MS) for one opponent, to make it fair you need to change a fundamental component for SM Naruto. Either remove the nine tails influence, this also means allowing him to merge with the great toad sages or if you are keen on the "No summons" part then his sage mode gets the added benefits of the 2 clones in reserve(15 minutes total and 6 RS).

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u/Traditional_Goal_636 — 24 days ago