u/Trick-Progress2589

I’m a neurosurgeon at a large hospital and something happened recently that turned into a complete mess politically.

We have an NP who works with the hospitalist service. Honestly, clinically she was fine, no big red flags. Nurses liked her, patients liked her, never really had major complaints. Very confident personality.

A few months ago I started noticing patients referring to her as “the doctor” during consults. At first I assumed they were just confused because that happens constantly in hospitals. But then one patient specifically told me:

“Your hospitalist doctor already explained all this to me.”

I mentioned the NP by name and the patient goes, “Yeah, her.” Then I corrected them, it was actually an NP and he didn’t seem to care much.

Still didn’t think much of it.

Then one of the ICU nurses mentioned that the NP almost never corrected patients when they called her doctor. Apparently she’d say things like “I’m with the hospital medicine team taking care of you today” and just let patients assume whatever.

Things escalated when a family member filed a complaint because they later found out she wasn’t a physician after believing she was “one of the doctors managing the case.”

Administration reviewed it and apparently there were multiple witness statements from staff saying they’d heard her introduce herself vaguely before. One MA even claimed the NP once said, “It’s easier if you don’t overexplain titles to patients.”

What completely buried her was social media.

Someone found her LinkedIn where she listed herself as “Doctor of Hospital Medicine” because she had a DNP. Legally maybe defensible academically, but optics-wise it looked horrible once compliance got involved.

The medical staff office and legal department apparently lost their minds over it because neurosurgery, trauma, ICU, etc. all involve high-risk consent discussions and patients need to know exactly who is and isn’t a physician.

She was terminated last Friday.

Now the hospital suddenly has mandatory scripting for introductions.

“I’m Jane Smith, nurse practitioner with the hospitalist team.”

No deviations.

Personally, I’m happy to see hospital admin doing something about this shit. It’s getting out of hand…

Edit: I fucking used chat gpt to help me make it grammatically sound and so I could drive the point home without making it sound discombobulated, it’s AI written but it’s a true story.

Everyone voice your support on this and spread the word.

No offense to nurses at all, because nurses are absolutely essential and deserve respect. But I genuinely think Nurse Practitioners should require at least 10+ years of real bedside experience in the SAME field before being allowed to practice independently.

A lot of people are literally finishing nursing school and immediately planning to go become an NP. Some are even doing major parts of their education online. Meanwhile hospitals are giving these people insane levels of freedom to diagnose, prescribe medication, and give medical advice with little to no supervision depending on the state.

And yes, nursing IS medical, but nursing has traditionally been centered more around patient care, monitoring, support, and bedside treatment. Doctors go through years and years of clinical-focused training specifically centered around diagnosing, pathology, treatment plans, and complex medical decision-making. Those are two different things.

So why should someone with 3–5 years of nursing experience suddenly be allowed to operate almost independently giving patients medical advice? Especially when physicians go through residency, fellowships, brutal clinical hours, and constant supervision before they’re trusted alone?

If you want that level of responsibility, either:

Go become a doctor

or

Require a MINIMUM of 10+ years experience before independent NP practice.

And before people get mad….yes, there are AMAZING NPs. Some of the best providers I’ve met were NPs. But almost every great NP I’ve encountered had 10–20 years of experience first. You can feel the difference immediately. They’re knowledgeable because they’ve actually seen things. They’ve worked the floor. They’ve dealt with patients for years.

But hearing brand new nurses say:

“Yeah I’m going to nursing school and then immediately becoming an NP. I can do the work online but my clinical are in person. It’s not bad. ”

is honestly terrifying.

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