u/Tristegold

Let us use a broad and relatively loose definition of trauma: So an experience or event that is deeply distressing and disturbing, which often last long after the initial experience or event that It need not be a specific event or memory, but could also be a lack of something. It can be physical, emotional, emotional or any combination of those. The effects of the trauma can affect both the conscious and unconscious.

The relationship between trauma and prison planet is very interesting. What is/are your views and thoughts on trauma and prison planet, particular those who have or worked/working on trauma.

The reason I am asking is because this crosses with the works of people like Castaneda and Gurdjieff. In this realm and life trauma never seems to cease. If you overcome a difficult trauma there always seems to be something else coming up. It is and does seem sensible to work on trauma and to bring the unconscious conscious as Jung would say. I've only read a little of Castaneda's work but have heard about the concept of the "flyers" that will throw problems your way constantly, so the work is never really done. Again this can be bought back to PPT and escape.

Courtesy of AI here is what it says about Castaneda and Escaping Prison Planet:

>Starving the Predator: By maintaining absolute inner silence (stopping the internal dialogue) and completing the Recapitulation (reclaiming all lost energy), you stop producing "loosh". Don Juan explains that if a human can hold inner silence long enough, the Flyer's mind flees because it is starving. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

>The Fire From Within (The Ultimate Escape): The ultimate goal of Castaneda's lineage is not standard physical death or a heavenly afterlife. It is total transcendence called "burning with the fire from within." When a warrior has amassed enough recycled energy, they ignite their entire consciousness at once, transforming their physical body into pure energy. They bypass normal death, completely evade the cosmic forces that recycle human awareness, and slip into infinity as free, immortal beings. [1]

I've seen in my own and other's lives that often (though not always) someone overcomes some trauma, whether major or minor doesn't matter, but then often falls in to some other problem. This tracks with the Castaneda's idea of "flyers" throwing problems constantly at some people.

I haven't read any of Gurdjieff's work but have read about his works, which also has an interesting solve in relation to PPT and method of escape. His crystallization idea crosses and seems to fit with a lot of Robert Monroe's experiences and ideas relating to "escape velocity and also the "I-There/Ident" idea.

Here is a quick comparison of the three figures and their models/ideas courtesy of AI again:

Concept	Carlos Castaneda	George Gurdjieff	Robert Monroe
The Parasitic / Harvesting Force	The Flyers / Mud Shadows: Interdimensional entities that consume the human "glow of awareness".	The Moon / Kundabuffer: Cosmic apparatus that requires human emotional energy (Askokin) to grow.	The Creators / "Someone": Cosmic gardeners who harvest human emotional energy (Loosh).
The Nature of Trauma & Suffering	The Predator's Mind: Neurotic, fearful internal dialogue implanted to keep us generating low-vibration trauma.	"Fraudulent Suffering": Mechanical, automated habits of victimhood, ego, and nursing old grievances.	The Curriculum: Intense physical, emotional, and dualistic friction required to refine consciousness.
The Structural Soul Change	The Luminous Body: Reclaiming and solidifying your energetic field until it is unpalatable to parasites.	Crystallisation: Using the heat of friction to fuse an independent, immortal inner "I" from a raw state.	The "Ident" / "I-There": Forging a sharp, highly structured, resilient analytical core over multiple lifetimes.
Primary Practical Tool	Recapitulation: Sweeping breathwork to methodically reclaim your energy from past traumatic memories.	Self-Observation / Intentional Suffering: Consciously holding the pain of a trigger without reacting mechanically.	Energy Management / Astral Exploration: Integrating past-life facets and neutralizing physical desires.
The Mechanism of Escape	The Fire From Within: Igniting total consciousness to transform the physical form into free, pure energy.	Creating a Moon Within: Becoming so spiritually dense and self-contained that cosmic forces lose their magnetic pull.	Escape Velocity: Accumulating enough integrated soul mass to break through the Earth's "Recycling Ring" at death.
Ultimate Philosophical Outlook	Predatory: The universe is hostile; you must become a warrior to survive, hide, and slip past the traps.	Mechanical: The world is a deterministic machine; you must wake up from a hypnotic sleep to become real.	Educational: Earth is a high-pressure soul-modification lab; you endure the crucible to graduate into a cosmic creator.

What are your personal approach/views to trauma?

So I don't know if I'm the only one who senses this, but many of the predictions relating to the coming years, particularly from astrologers and the like, have shifted from optimism/improvement to a darker more bleak future.

There have always been groups that predict (or even promote), either a happy or awakening/ascending future, or others who are always predicting apocalyptic, end-times, everything going to shit future. Now there is something to be said about this constant apocalypse; it's been going on for millennia now but I think that it deserves more thought and a post of it's own.

I mean as recently as 2022 I felt and some supposed predictors-prophets were suggesting an improvement to the conditions of human society and this was without them saying everything will be wishy-washy new age good, but they were definitely predicting (promoting?) an end to the abominable direction we seem to be heading.

It's hard to tell if there is some gas-lighting going on purposefully, or reality is and has been shifting. To me it seems there is always going to be a bleak noxious cloud over this particularly reality, but at the same time, the waiting of it seems to be a spell. I still remember the FEMA camps stuff, and other horrible predictions but some of those things certainly haven't arrived when they said it would. There is a general feeling of ick amongst many of these unhinged super-doomer predictions.

DAE feel they have shifted in to a bleaker reality or being psycho-spiritually flip-flopped and gaslit?