u/WINDMILEYNO

Hi. Im vehemently anti confederate anything and I think the articles of secession speak for themselves in the terribleness of the barely five year cause.

Honestly, my interest in writing this question comes from a random encounter with a Southern leftist. I don't know if theres a rule about this. This isn't meant to harass them. In fact, they said they wanted to make a post here to get other opinions.

--->Hi! I'm a left-wing Southerner who thinks that the South should have been allowed to secede, not because I approve of slavery, but because I disapprove of the means by which it was abolished, in that it radically altered the country into an authoritarian nightmare from which we have yet to awaken.

That was the users opinion.

That said, the South screwed themselves out of representation by seceding imo. They had cost the US man power and money in one of our first forever wars, although it had moments of peace sprinkled within, The Seminole wars. And they were courting Colonial aims of their own

They dragged the country down by perpetuating a terrible abusive economic situation that left nearly every slave holder in debt at all times, and their insistence on defying the emancipation proclamation with Jim Crow, vehement protests over the civil rights act, and general unhappiness with America since, are something I veiw as a continuous string of behavior up to the present day.

The failure of the reconstruction era screwed the rest of the country after imo.

So. What would have happened if the Union chose differently? Would the civil war have been a given, just later?

My four year old child wanted to get late night french fries and so here we are, getting them. It's been a long day.

The topic of why everyone is awake (its 9pm), comes up and I explained to them that some people work at night.

That was not ok.

They insisted everyone is going home. And wanted to know why they were all awake.

I didn't realize the stakes at hand, and tried to bring evidence to my claim. Our neighbor across the street works at night.

I didn't know that this would destabilize his whole working world view.

And not like in a learning way. Like, hands on ears, stressed breathing. I had to take it back. People don't work at night. They are going home.

It was quite interesting.

My four year old child wanted to get late night french fries and so here we are, getting them. It's been a long day.

The topic of why everyone is awake (its 9pm), comes up and I explained to them that some people work at night.

That was not ok.

They insisted everyone is going home. And wanted to know why they were all awake.

I didn't realize the stakes at hand, and tried to bring evidence to my claim. Our neighbor across the street works at night.

I didn't know that this would destabilize his whole working world view.

And not like in a learning way. Like, hands on ears, stressed breathing. I had to take it back. People don't work at night. They are going home.

It was quite interesting.

I really don't have much to say beyond that and maybe I just don't know enough about the people who do use these laws to their benefit, but hearing about Mamdani has me wondering about all of the good people who do exist who could just circumvent the shitty people by just...using the same rules other people abuse to just do things right.

Imagine an income-tax free group the level of a string of televangelist mega churches, just...being community building groups and co-ops, etc.