Possible outcomes of the 2028 trial?
What is your best case, worst case, and most realistic scenario after Robson and Safechuck finally get their day in court?
What is your best case, worst case, and most realistic scenario after Robson and Safechuck finally get their day in court?
"It's not what the tabloids have printed. It's not all this crazy, outlandish money" - Michael Jackson to Diane Sawyer, lying about how much he spent paying off the Chandlers.
Turns out, 25 million is OUTLANDISH, even for him. A decade earlier, Michael spent 47.5 million to buy 200 Beatles songs. That's a whole lot of moolah for Michael "to get on with with life, to start the healing process, and to move his career forward to even greater heights."
If there's any justice in all this, his career went downhill after the Chandlers and he even built a giant statue of himself, too!
It's also interesting that the Chandlers and MJ came to an agreement the day BEFORE MJ was going to be deposed.
I created this tool to help us identify if someone is a pedophile or not. I think MJ's fans might love it.
I tried to post this on another sub, but it got removed. Blech.
To be clear, I believe MJ is guilty, but I wanted to ask this question regarding the kind of person MJ would have to be to unluckily surround himself with so many people who would later betray him.
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Could someone help explain the psychology behind him managing to surround himself with so many special friends who would one day betray him and accuse him of the most heinous crimes imaginable? Was he just incredibly gullible? Naive? Was he doing something else that would make them angry enough to accuse him of abuse later in life.
I can't think of another innocent celebrity who had so many people close to them turn around and accuse them of sexual abuse. MJ paraded around with many of these special friends, was proud to hold their hands, let them sit on his lap at music awards, showed them off for the paparazzi, let them dress up like him, and built special relationships with many of their families and brought them on tour. He inserted himself into some of their families and even slept in the bed with a number of them. Clearly, they were very close. So, assuming he's innocent and it's not "just about money" what is it about him that caused this to happen?
Michael's special friends:
Emmanuelle Lewis - Consistent Defender
Sean Lennon - Never accused, but created "Bubble's Burst music video"
Macaulay Culkin - Defender as of Feb 2020, but couldn't speak to other children's experience
Brett Barnes - Consistent Defender
Omer Barti - Defender? He seems to be distancing himself from MJ?
Frank Cascio - Accuser
Aldo Cascio - Accuser
Eddie Cascio - Accuser
Dominic Cascio - Accuser
Marie Nicole - Accuser
Jonathan Spence - Defender as of 2020
Jordan Chandeler - Accuser
Gavin Arvizo - Accuser
Terry George - Defender but said MJ was masturbating while they were on the phone when George was 13
Corey Feldman - Neither defender nor accuser but in 2019, stated he "could no longer defend him" and also said MJ showed him pictures of STD-covered genitals when Feldman was 13
Jimmy Safechuck - Accuser
Wade Robson - Accuser
Jane Doe - Accuser
Jason Francia - Accuser
The biopic reignited my interest in MJ. I saw it opening weekend surrounded by fans. For many years, I thought he was maybe/maybe not a pedo, but certainly a strange person who didn't understand boundaries and didn't have a childhood. I thought it was super weird he slept with children, but I also knew lots of celebrities were weird and fame does stuff to people.
Anyway, I loved the biopic, and it felt like a concert of many of his greatest hits. It reminded me why I liked Michael's music. It felt so magical and reconnected me with my childhood, and reminded me when fellow students tried to moonwalk in elementary school before the Chandler allegations came out.
Still, in the back of my mind, I wanted to enjoy his music while being certain he was innocent.
So, I started diving into the allegations.
And one of the first things I learned was the NAMBLA books. I just couldn't figure out why Michael would have them, and the pro MJ sites had no satisfactory answers for them. "Art books" are you kidding me? "He didn't know about them" . . . right, that's why he wrote in one, and left it locked in a drawer in a room where had porn freely scattered about. "They're not that bad" . . . oh, they're worse.
Anyway, I kept researching, and though the books left me incredibly uncomfortable, they weren't enough to convict him in my mind. Maybe he was even stranger than I thought. After that, I ended up listening to MJ's defense attorneys. I found Thomas Mesereau to be incredibly intelligent, persuasive, and he created doubt in every accusation. After that, I watched some pro-MJ videos. I tried to watch Square One, but I found the false memories implanted by a dentist to be ridiculous and only found in science-fiction. Also, I didn't find the MJ super fan to be credible. Still, the pro-MJ stuff got me like 80% of the way to believe that maybe he and his estate were the targets of extortion.
But 80% of the way there wasn't enough for me. I couldn't get those NAMBLA books out of my mind. I was frustrated, and I think this was because I wanted MJ to be innocent. I even spoke to my wife about how maddening it was that I couldn't get closure on this.
Then, I heard the Cascios were now accusing MJ, too, and I was like, "MJ must be the absolute worst judge of character because every 'special friend' of his tends to come forward with allegations much later in life. How did this dude surround himself with such people."
Yup, the answer is obvious, but I wasn't ready to admit it. Still, it was enough that I realized I had gone into this with some bias (okay, a lot). I was actively looking for information that exonerated MJ. I didn't want to believe that such horrible things happened to these children and that MJ was responsible.
Reluctantly, I decided I had to look deeper at the other side presented outside of the MJ hivemind.
Based on the MJ sites, I had believed that Leaving Neverland was "debunked," so I had little interest in watching it. But I stumbled on a video where I heard Wade speak on YouTube.
A Conversation with Wade Robson with the Men of Voices Beyond Assault
I checked the details around the video and was immediately perplexed by a few things before I even pressed PLAY, and something started to click for me.
Still, I started listening to the video thinking maybe I would find him to be untrustworthy and scripted. That he'd have some fake crocodile tears. Instead, I found him to be incredibly human. He was honest and had to pause and think about some of his answers. He didn't remember every detail, either, which added credibility. Being imperfect made him more believable, not less. Wade talked about healing, and all the therapy and counseling he's been to. And I was suddenly thinking, "This is a whole lot of dedication from someone I've been told was a liar, because I can't imagine lying about something for fifteen years for money and spending all this time going to counseling and therapy for something that didn't happen."
Logically, it made little sense for Wade to be lying. The pro-MJ websites like to talk about him not getting the Cirque Du Soleil job, and that he was having money problems. But wasn't that in 2009? Why would this guy stay consistent and spend all this time propagating a lie for over a decade if he was just looking for a little money? I mean, that was ages ago.
After that, I listened to more of Wade, wherever I could. Until finally, I found a way to watch LN. And watching it made me cry, not just for the victims, but also confirmation about a musician whose music I greatly admire. I listened to Telephone Stories next, and everything came together, and the closure I had been desperate to seek arrived. It wasn't the answer I wanted, but it was an answer.
I believe the victims of MJ.