r/LeavingNeverlandHBO

Obvious neverland shit aside. It's literally been said by his own family that Michael turned 12 and it was all gradually downhill from there. He would go on tv interviews and make shit up about whatever it was he wanted to be victim about that day with 0 shame. He used to vent to little Macaulay Culkin about his traumas and his issues. He had eating disorders to the point where his workers and even his own father would have to physically hold him down so he couldn't make himself throw up. You could take one look at what he did to his face and put two and two together and realize he wasn't wrapped too tight. I mean at what point is it obvious??

I'm so tired of MJ fans scraping for every excuse in the book as to why he was the way he was. Sometimes nobody was targeted by the CIA. Sometimes he wasn't so traumatized by his lame ass childhood that he lost his mind while the 8 other ones somehow turned out fine. Sometimes he was simply just a grown man who desperately needed mental intervention but never got it because everybody in his life fell for the victim bs and let him keep spiraling. Don't know how or when that became such an insane concept.

For me still it is so hard to believe that he did that for example in the thriller era, we are the world etc. if you see footage of him, rehearsing, working together with others, he seems genuine.

After that, ok he starts to be weird.. with all his surgery and stuff. and ofcourse there are survivors who tell us when that started, i believe that ofcourse. But my cognitive dissonance is massive still.. just a few months ago i forced myself to watch LN and i still try to wrap my head around everything. that this seemingly sweet kid (thriller era) is gonna be a monster. Or was he already?

obv we know michael wanted kids from her and honestly jackson and presley blood would have been insanely cool. but i can‘t help and wonder how did he think that was going to happen? was he going to ask her to not have sex and use a sperm donor lol?.. was he actually going to touch her and have his own sperm used? what was the plan afterward? he didn‘t want to live with a woman in his life, would he want to get rid of her the way he did with debbie so he had the kids on his own? wasn‘t he aware that lisa probably wouldn‘t have put up with that? did he think she’d sit there and tell the world that’s his kids when he used a sperm donor? gosh i have so many questions and it‘s a shame we will never get the answers. i wish somebody would speak up or he‘d written a diary as messed up as that is

Hello, first of all, please excuse me, my English isn't the best.

This is my first post on Reddit

I was born in 2006 in Egypt, so I speak Arabic and follow Arabic content in all its forms and from all Arabic-speaking countries, not just Egypt.

Since my childhood, I have never heard a negative word about Michael Jackson from any platform whatsoever. No criticism, no need for anything but positive words. From a young age, I listened to Michael Jackson, of course, but I was never...Since my late childhood, I've believed that it's possible for your friend, the one you spend most of your time with, to betray you in the end, or for you to discover she's a completely different person from the one you knew. So what about a famous person you only see on a screen?

I watched the Michael movie, which was released a few months ago and became a trend in my country, the Arab world, and most of the world, but I didn't feel completely comfortable with it. I felt it was more of a cartoon than a film telling the story of a famous person. Many people consider this person a legend. This was something all my friends disagreed with, as they thought the film was great. Then, a day later, in YouTube suggestions, there was a person I follow who isn't very famous, but I like some of the content he provides. The video's title and image were somewhat critical of Jackson. Before opening the video, I imagined he would criticize the film just as I did, but it turned out to be something else. In this video, for the first time in my life, I heard about leaving Neverland This is the first time I've heard of the story of Wade and James. I had never heard of these issues before, and he spoke about how the timing of Michael's film was nothing more than brainwashing public opinion before the start of the trial of Wade and James. "This was before the decision to postpone the trial to 2028."I was shocked by the video, not because I was a fan, but because I felt misled, and of course, many, many others felt the same. I tried to find more sources in Arabic, but unfortunately, most of them were from fans and just repeated positive comments from everyone around them saying they were content creators I used to like and trust. Then I mustered my strength and found a translated version of the movie Leaving Neverland, translated into Arabic, and watched it, and honestly, I cried at the end. I felt their pain (as someone who was abused in childhood and to this day hasn't told anyone and I don't think I ever will). I admired their courage; I saw in them something I couldn't and never will be able to do. One of the things that convinced me of their words is that no one would sacrifice their mother, children, and wife for a lie, and not just any lie, but one told to the most famous singer, who of course has an army of fans who could literally tell their lives. Wade, in particular, as someone who has worked in the entertainment industry, knows how crazy Michael's fans are and knows very well that he has more to lose than to gain. I hope they get some justice in the end; after all, our lives aren't fair.

Thank you very much

What is your best case, worst case, and most realistic scenario after Robson and Safechuck finally get their day in court?

***EDIT: Seems like people are missing the point of the post since I didn’t explicitly state my opinion because I was trying to be as subtly implicative as the doc was but here is my main dumbed down point: WADE WANTED MJ’s ATTENTION AND ADMIRATION AGAIN, MJ SHOWED A LOT OF INTEREST IN BRITNEY, WADE HAD AN AFFAIR WITH BRITNEY. Many people are debating about Mj’s interest in Britney and thats not what the post is about, its about Wade’s interest in Britney given the context of the documentary and Wade’s desire for recognition again from MJ. Anyways OP below:

Hey all,

If you watch the LN documentary, Wade Robson explicitly mentioned that since MJ started to discard him when he entered his preteens, Robson did "everything" he could to gain Michael's attention and admiration, which is perhaps (partly) what fueled Robson in his professional success, especially in his late teens/early twenties (man was barely 21 choreographing tours and music videos of the biggest pop stars at the time)

For what would be no reason, Robson brought up how MJ was "obsessed" with Britney and how "hot" she was, and that Michael would constantly seek Robson out yet again to discuss her. Britney, being a stunning, white woman, would of course draw the attention of Michael because she is everything he wanted to be (I am not saying Michael was trans, but he certainly modeled himself to look both white and very feminine, both of which Britney epitomized like no one else at the time).

To an uninformed watcher, this revelation may seem like no big deal but if you remember, Britney and Justin Timberlake's breakup was because Britney had cheated on JT with....Wade. I think Wade bringing this up, without explicitly mentioning anything else, was perhaps a gentle and respectful acknowledgement of that affair and what may have led Robson to partake in it (even if slightly, because Britney, on her own, was a very attractive woman who wouldn't need help attracting another man but still). As a pop culture connoisseur, I found that seemingly random addition of Robson's time with Britney and how it drew attention from Michael very interesting.

Same lines Michael used on his victims, minus the death threats. Although Michael would scare his victims too, in different ways (we'll both go to prison, etc). What a piece of work this "mentor" was.

"It's not what the tabloids have printed. It's not all this crazy, outlandish money" - Michael Jackson to Diane Sawyer, lying about how much he spent paying off the Chandlers.

Turns out, 25 million is OUTLANDISH, even for him. A decade earlier, Michael spent 47.5 million to buy 200 Beatles songs. That's a whole lot of moolah for Michael "to get on with with life, to start the healing process, and to move his career forward to even greater heights."

If there's any justice in all this, his career went downhill after the Chandlers and he even built a giant statue of himself, too!

It's also interesting that the Chandlers and MJ came to an agreement the day BEFORE MJ was going to be deposed.

The article:

>Michael Jackson's sleepovers with young boys are sure to come up in his molestation trial.

>Now there's word that one of the most respected names in the music industry, Quincy Jones, reached out to his longtime friend and begged him to stop sharing his bed with children.

>Harvey Levin, the executive producer of "Celebrity Justice," broke the story, and filled in viewers of The Early Show Friday.

>The interventions, Levin says, took place "a couple of years ago, before the current scandal broke, before the documentary aired where Michael Jackson talked about sleeping, sharing his bed with children. And Quincy Jones was alarmed. That's the word I got – alarmed -- and felt that this would bring Michael Jackson down -- if only in the public perception, if he continued to do it. There were no signs (Jackson) was stopping and he really felt that he had to step in."

>So, says Levin, Jones "went to Michael Jackson and made it very clear that -- he was very direct that he felt it was inappropriate. He felt it was wrong. He explained how it could destroy him.

>"And Jackson was like a wall. He would not hear it. He didn't want to acknowledge any of it. And Quincy Jones was frustrated, and he went back again. This happened several times.

>"This was something that was discussed among the people who were closest to Michael Jackson, people who liked him the most. And they felt he had to stop this. He would absolutely hear none of it."

>Levin says Jones was "extremely frustrated and almost panicked that this would be (Jackson's) downfall."

>How, asked The Early Show co-anchor Julie Chen, did Jones first learn about the sleepovers?

>"Quincy Jones was really, really close to Michael Jackson," responded Levin. "He did the "Thriller" album with him and, I believe, the "Off the Wall" album. He was with him every single night as they were recording these things -- really involved in the family, to the point where the (Jackson's) defense (in his molestation trial) has called Quincy Jones as a witness in this case, because Quincy Jones and his daughters were at Neverland on some of the key dates in this case, and they can testify that they didn't see anything inappropriate happen.

>"So, Quincy Jones saw the way Michael Jackson lived. It was not a secret. He saw how he lived, but there were problems he had with part of the lifestyle.

>Levin adds there are at least two other celebrities who implored Jackson to stop the sleepovers, to no avail. But Levin wasn't at liberty to name them. One of them has died, Levin noted.

>"But I can tell you," he added, "beyond those two, there were discussions about this. This is not just something that people said, 'Oh, he's going off and doing this.' They knew that there was something that had to be fixed."