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MPC: The Tension Between the Rejection of Factual Impossibility and the Strong Corroboration Requirement

Consider the MPC’s substantial step test.

The original formulation says that a defendant must purposely engage in conduct that, under the circumstances as he believes them to be, constitutes a substantial step.

It later says that conduct is not a substantial step under the above formulation unless it is strongly corroborative of the defendant’s criminal purpose.

This creates some ambiguity as to what set of facts “strongly corroborative” is evaluated under.

A natural reading may say to evaluate it in the defendant’s belief-world, because then the second requirement is merely defining substantial step, which is then modified by the “circumstances as he believes them”

But that would make the strongly corroborative requirement basically meaningless, because you could get acts that do not strongly corroborate the purpose at all (like snapping your fingers or telling the truth) to be defined as substantial steps (if the defendant believes that snapping their fingers kills somebody or that the truth is actually a false statement).

So what is the best way to read the strongly corroborative language?

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Civil Asset Forfeiture of a House Obtained “As A Result of the Commission of the Offense Giving Rise to Forfeiture”

Suppose drug dealer D is busted, and their house is found to be purchased with the proceeds of their drugs. It is forfeited, appropriately.

Now suppose D serves their time, rebuilds their life, and buys a new house with clean money. The only reason they obtain this particular second house is because they were house shopping at a time when it was listed, and they were house shopping at that time because they lost their first house because they committed a drug offense.

The government now tries to forfeit the second house, using S 981’s language that the property was “obtained as a result of the commission of the offense giving rise to forfeiture” language, which courts have broadly interpreted as reaching anything that would not be acquired “but for” the commission of the offense https://assetforfeiturelaw.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Fft101-ATF-General-Counsel.pdf?.

Would a court of law allow forfeiture of the second house under this set of facts?

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u/WhatARotation — 9 days ago

Combining Kousisis v US with One of the Most Controversial Tools in US Law to Create A Deep Injustice. How Would US Courts Respond?

Consider a teenager who asks their mother for a Christmas gift. The mother insists that the teenager make a list on eBay of things they WANT. The teenager protests, saying they only want one item (call it A). The mother insists that the teenager make a list so she can be surprised.

The teenager then puts items A, B, C, and D on the list. Items B, C, and D are all things they don’t really want, and were selected specifically because the teenager believes that the mother won’t pick them.

The crime of wire fraud is complete under a literal reading of Kousisis. The teenager has made a misrepresentation (the items they don’t really want) with the intent that the mother rely on it to enter a transaction (buying the gift the teenager wants) that will cost her money. Kousisis stipulates: “intentionally lying to induce a victim into a transaction that will cost her money or property [is a species of fraud].”

The police catch wind of the story, and, sensing an opportunity for financial gain, initiate a civil asset forfeiture action against the child’s gift (say a $1500 gaming PC). What is the most likely reaction by a court if the family challenges the forfeiture action?

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u/WhatARotation — 9 days ago
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Location: U.S.

I was recently reading through the following appellate court case trying to understand federal attempt law and what constitutes a sufficient substantial step.

U.S. v Wesley (https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F3/417/612/580516/) contradicts itself by saying on the one hand:

“Emphasizing that the "substantial step" requirement is an objective one, this court explained in Bilderbeck that under the "substantial step" analysis, an appellate court evaluates whether any reasonable person could find that the acts committed would corroborate the firmness of a defendant's criminal intent, assuming that the defendant did, in fact, intend to commit the crime.”

But later: “As we made clear in Bilderbeck, the focus of the inquiry is not so much whether the actions constitute "preparation," but whether the conduct corroborates clear criminal intent.”

And: “The critical inquiry in the "substantial step" analysis, separate from the question of subjective intent, is whether the defendant's conduct, viewed objectively, corroborates his subjective intent to commit the crime.”

To see why these passages contradict one another, a couple of examples might be helpful.

Firstly, consider somebody who tells a true statement while secretly believing it’s false and intending to induce reliance. This person would, on the first passage, be committing attempted fraud, because assuming criminal intent (that they believe it’s false and intend to induce reliance), making the statement would strongly corroborate the firmness of that intent. However, on the second and third passages, this would not be attempt, because making a true statement itself does not objectively corroborate any criminal intent.

Similarly, consider handing somebody a glass of water. Assuming criminal intent (i.e. belief that the water is a controlled substance and neither of you are authorized to have it), the firmness of that intent is more than established by handing somebody else the believed-controlled substance. However, the intent itself is not even remotely corroborated by simply handing somebody a glass of water.

So as you can see, the case contains a contradiction.

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Roger Cormier: “Per Jon Heyman, when Pete Alonso had his meeting with David Stearns & Steve Cohen when they negotiated his 1-year return in 2025, he told Stearns, “When my career is being evaluated for the Hall of Fame years from now, you’ll still be fiddling with your fucking formulas.””

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