u/X-treem

Seeking opinions on Dutch behaviour in interaction with English-speaking expat

Calling all my fellow British expats who live or have lived in the Netherlands for an opinion on this video that was posted elsewhere and was mostly defended by just Dutch people.

Basically, it's an English-speaking woman (with her son) and a middle-aged Dutch woman arguing because the Dutch woman is complaining about where the other woman parked as it's a private road with a sign forbidding access. The English-speaking woman goads the Dutch woman a bit and is admittedly somewhat patronising and condescending. But I'm aware that the woman behind the camera frequently encounters this kind of meddling behaviour from Dutch Karens, almost weekly, and is just generally fed up to the point that she eventually decided to leave the Netherlands because of this type of culture. She's not British (as you can tell from her accent), but I am British and, while I've seen similar behaviour in the UK, it's not nearly as prevalent and most people just mind their own business by comparison.

Note that the English-speaking woman insults the Dutch woman by calling her an "old bitch" and the Dutch woman returns the favour a little later by calling the English-speaking woman a "f*cking bitch" but bolts on a remark about her not speaking Dutch (usually a xenophobic remark in other contexts, but maybe it was only said in anger here).

What I would love to hear (from British expats only who have experience in the Netherlands) is whether you notice a distinct dissonance between the Netherlands and the UK in terms of interfering behaviour and people minding or not minding their own business, particularly in relation to middle-aged women as this seems to be the prevalent type of person in the Netherlands that I've noticed exhibits such behaviour.

I'm fully aware that the response from the English-speaking woman is less than ideal, but I'm not looking for an opinion on this as this was the reaction/effect, not the cause of the interaction. And yes, the root cause was the wrongful parking, but I'm more interested in the interfering aspect in things that are so trivial, benign, or even a matter of opinion, and the differences to behaviour in the UK for similar things.

For example, if I accidentally turned the wrong way up a one-way street in the UK, someone coming the other way would more often than not beep their horn lightly, I'd put my hands up and smile mouthing 'sorry', and they'd smile back and wait while I turn around. This has happened to me a few times in 30 years of driving. In the Netherlands, I did this once, and they rolled their window down, yelled profusely, shouted xenophobic remarks, kept their hand on the horn the entire time I was turning around, and then tailgated me out of spite till the next junction. And my Dutch neighbours said, "Ja, that is normal."

Sorry for the long post. And I'm not looking for any arguments here. I'm just genuinely interested in honest opinions. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and I'm cool with that. 🙂

PS: I'm also not looking for discussions about legalities around recording people and posting online. I've checked and it's too nuanced to have a healthy discussion about that here (better in a legal forum).

u/X-treem — 3 days ago