The 3 Magi knew when to expect the Messiah. How does that compare to the second coming?

Something that doesn't get discussed often is the magi--the wise men who followed the star of Bethelehem and found the Messiah. The magi were astrologers/astronomers who tracked the stars, natural wonders and calendars to understand the arrival of the Messiah, Jesus' first coming.

I wonder how does that differ from being able to discern with such precision, Jesus' second coming? We know no man knows the day or hour, according to Matthew 24. How come God specifically allowed humanity to predict the first coming with such precision but not His second coming? On the other hand, the Bible did say there will be signs and wonders in the sky prior to His second coming. So does that mean when the time is right, we will also be able to predict His second coming (concluding the edict in Matthew 24)?

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u/atlasobscurae — 7 days ago
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Mapping Creation Week Theory x 7 Jewish Feasts Theory

I've been studying pop eschatology over the last couple years and two compelling theories have been discussed by those who hold a pre-millennial and dispensational view. The first is that Jesus is the fullfillment of the 7 Jewish feasts, and the second is the Creation Week theory. I thought it would be interesting to see how those two views loosely combined mapped onto actual timelines, and my commentary on the result.

Anchor Point

I use the Day of Atonement as the anchor point for the Second Coming, and then use Daniel's day counts forwards and backwards. I also used the strict Gregorian day counts to arrive at the particular days, because I believe the current Jewish holidays on our calendar already account for for the different calendar measurements.

For the purpose of the model, I use the year 2033 based on the Church age being 2000 years with most scholars' agreeing that Jesus was crucified in AD33. Of course this could be wrong, and of course perhaps 2000 is too strict. So I give some commentary for other years. As well, I am skeptical that 2033 is "the year" in any case because I am unsure that the events that need to take place before Daniel's 70th week starts will take place in time (i.e. in the remainder of 2026).

Rapture

In terms of the rapture, I've mapped out the 4 main rapture theories onto this timeline, the model is timeline agnostic.

It must be stressed that it is impossible to pinpoint a definitive date for Christ's return. But I thought it would be interesting to see how these two theories map onto actual dates and where it lands. Welcome any thoughts. Please be civil.

The Model (2026-2033)

  1. Pre-Trib Rapture (September 11-13, 2026)
    1. Falls on Feast of Trumpets
    2. 1 Corinthians 15:51–52 (ESV) and 1 Thessalonians 4:16 allude to Jesus’ returning ‘at the last trumpet’. Jesus says ‘no man knows the day or hour’ which is thought to imply the Feast of Trumpets which depended on the sighting of the new moon.
  2. War of Gog/Magog (now - Nov 9, 2026)
    1. Many dispensational authors argue Ezekiel 38–39 occurs before the Tribulation begins
    2. Could be the culmination of the current Iran/Israel conflict
  3. Covenant with Many (Nov 9, 2026)
    1. 2520 days prior to the Day of Atonement, 2033
    2. the conflict ends with a peace treaty, via the Abraham Accords, Board of Peace, as examples.
  4. Pre-Wrath Rapture (Sept 21-23, 2028, March 30, 2029, April 1, 2029)
    1. FoT, Passover and Easter, respectively
    2. Passover happened when God’s wrath was unleashed on the Gentiles, and Easter when Jesus fulfills the law
    3. Apophis is thought to be the ‘Wormwood’ star of prophecy, which flies past earth on April 13, 2029, a year prior to the midpoint, and just after Easter and Passover that year.
  5. Abomination of Desolation/Mid Trib Rapture (April 22, 2030)
    1. 1260 day midpoint
    2. Easter and Passover (note: a mid-trib rapture cannot occur on FoT if the Second Coming is on Day of Atonement. They are never 1260 days apart on any calendar).
  6. Day of the Lord/Second Coming (October 3, 2033)/Post Trib Rapture
    1. Yom Kippur - a holiday about Jewish repentance, atonement for sin, sin must be dealt with so that God can dwell among His people.
    2. 2033 aligns with various prophecies that allude to a 2000 year span: Hosea 6:1–2 — "After two days He will revive us" , Psalm 90:4 — One day equals a thousand years, 2 Peter 3:8 — A day as a thousand years
  7. Israel Rebuilt (Oct 4-Nov 3, 2033)
    1. 1290 days after AoD
    2. Sukkot (Feast of Tabernacles) falls during this period. Sukkot celebrates the future hope that God will once again dwell openly among His people and all nations will worship Him.

     

  8. Sheep and Goats Judgment (Oct 3 - December 17, 2033)
    1. The time between the Second Coming and the Millennial reign is thought to be when this judgment takes place.
    2. Matthew 25:31-32
  9. Establishment of Millennial Reign (December 17, 2033)
    1. 1335 days after the AoD ("Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days." - Daniel 12:12)
    2. First day of Hannukah. Hanukkah commemorates the rededication after the cleansing of the Temple after it had been desecrated. It is the celebration of God's faithfulness, the victory of light over darkness, the restoration of the Temple to the true owner, and the survival of Jewish worship and identity against overwhelming opposition.

 

This is how it would map out for the next few years afterwards:

Feast of Trumpets Day 0 (Start of 70th week) Midpoint (1260 Days) End (2520 Days)/Yom Kippur 1335 Days after Midpoint
Sept 11 - 13 2026 Nov 9, 2026 April 22, 2030 / Easter Monday October 3, 2033 Dec 17, 2033 / Hannukah Day 1
Oct 1 - 3 2027 October 30, 2027 April 11, 2031 / Good Friday September 22, 2034 Dec 6, 2034 / Hannukah Day 1
Sept 21 -23 2028 Nov 18, 2028 April 30, 2032 October 12, 2035 Dec 26, 2035 / Hannukah Day 2
Sept 11 - Sept 13 2029 Nov 7, 2029 April 19, 2033 September 30, 2036 Dec 14, 2036 / Hannukah Day 2
u/atlasobscurae — 12 days ago

Does the Bible allude to underground bunkers?

There are many passages in the Bible that allude to mankind hiding in caves to avoid God's wrath. Could this relate to the elite building bunkers for some event or purpose that they anticipate will happen soon? Besides the famous billionaires who have bunkers, e.g. Zuckerberg, there are other multi-millionaires who have also purchased bunkers, and I've heard that they are anticipating sthat these bunkers become relevant some time between now and 2029.

Revelation 6:15–17

>15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Isaiah 2:10 & 19

>10 Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty. [...]
19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.

Hosea 10:8

>8 The high places also of Aven, the sin of Israel, shall be destroyed: the thorn and the thistle shall come up on their altars; and they shall say to the mountains, Cover us; and to the hills, Fall on us.

Luke 23:30

>30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.

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u/atlasobscurae — 26 days ago