u/baltigocoast

There's a lost city of Birka underwater in the Blue Sea

There's a lost city of Birka underwater in the Blue Sea

While it's been over two years since Vegapunk confirmed what many of us already theorized- that most of the One Piece world lies far below the surface due to man-made flooding during the void century- we have yet to realize the full potential of this discovery to make sense of what we've already seen in the story. The biggest example of this? Birka, Shandora, and the winged 'moon people' as a whole

To elaborate- Jaya's right eye, "the skull's right eye", is clearly Shandora, but it's left eye was actually Birka- not the one that Enel came from in the sky, and not the "Birka" Enel finds depicted in the moon mural, but a third, still undiscovered 'Birka' in the blue sea. This 'Birka' housed all the winged races after they initially came to earth from the moon, and existed prior to the sky island civilizations

Many of these people then had to leave Jaya, and travel up to the sky, as a result of the flooding during the void century, which is why the Skypieans and white-sea Birkans are mostly found on sky islands. This is clearly not an ideal or native habitat for them, as they are very aware of the value of arable land and suffer from its scarcity. Also in this same line of reasoning, it would make little sense that the Skypieans or Birkans chose to live in the sky immediately after coming down from the moon, as they originally left the moon due to a lack of natural resources

Please stick with me here as the implications go far beyond Skypiea, and impact our understanding of everything from Alabasta to Wano.

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Our mystery begins in Jaya,

https://preview.redd.it/dyodf3p7o62h1.png?width=650&format=png&auto=webp&s=abc7f353ecfbd9968c20b56ea7290133883b376c

While it's clear to us now that the lost city of gold in the 'skull's right eye' that Noland referred to in his logbook is Shandora, the existence of ingots on the ocean floor is entirely unexplainable if we're just taking into account the post-void century Shandora we know.

  1. It's highly unlikely that the knock up stream- an upwards blast that launched the entirety of mainland Jaya into the sky-simply left behind a couple pieces of gold. Also, as far as we know, the separation of different parts of Upper Yard (like the Shandoran bell) only occurred after the land made contact with the sky island clouds and the giant beanstalk
  2. The existence of ingots among the gold completely flips our understanding of the situation if we keep in mind that the Shandians of Kalgara's age do not care about gold and are highly isolationist. Why would a people who don't value gold and don't trade with anyone use gold in order to trade with others?

With those two points in mind, it seems like Oda has always intended for this scene to not only build up the mystery surrounding the knock up stream, but also the void century flood and what possibly came before. This brings us to the next highly suspicious piece of evidence

https://preview.redd.it/qzu61pr1t62h1.png?width=977&format=png&auto=webp&s=728b8c424e8084a3ec31397f675a00fb734178af

Pay attention to what Noland's man on the left is wearing, and compare it to the Birkan ancestor (the one with the big wings) on the mural from the Enel cover story:

https://preview.redd.it/idaqkoblu62h1.png?width=881&format=png&auto=webp&s=12d7da7539f8946876009c12b99449f396d12c73

While it's unfair to say the two helmets are identical, it's a closer resemblance than the outfits that the suspected Shandian ancestor (on the right) and the suspected Skypiean ancestor (on the far left) have to their modern day counter parts.

This alone might not mean very much, but let's also consider that this is right after they find a map of Jaya and clarify that Shandora means "the skull's right eye". In that same map of course, is Jaya's missing left eye- why design an island with a perfectly shaped missing left eye, in an arc where the perfectly shaped hidden right eye was home to a lost city of gold?

Whether it's purely symbolic or not, it feels like an intentional question made for the reader to think on, as the right eye holds 'Shandora', a japanese word transliterated from "Chandra", the Sanskrit word for Moon and used for real life Moon deities. Importantly, in One Piece, the sun and the moon are naturally always paired together, but also never really opposed to one another.

Instead, Oda uses them as two halves meant to complete each other. This is most clearly spelled out for us in Toki's prophecy of the Moon and the Dawn,

https://preview.redd.it/0066htm7y62h1.png?width=973&format=png&auto=webp&s=adefc65845974cca10f103e26d7a57159d44ae99

And also helps to clarify why Shandora- a city of people who descend from the moon, whose real life etymology comes from the word for 'moon'- produced a culture of sun-worshippers.

This picture would only be complete if the left eye featured a parallel city that produced a culture of moon-worshippers..

https://preview.redd.it/52che8ta472h1.png?width=958&format=png&auto=webp&s=3e85a11c415a547d2997b26f4accca6c33de2ffc

Naturally, Enel, the Birkan, worships the moon. The theory checks out.

https://preview.redd.it/u31sq8x4m82h1.png?width=221&format=png&auto=webp&s=f82b56321cf1b933922e572dc6cdbb4bfface26a

And of course, this also brings new meaning to Kalgara's seemingly benign statement that their ancestors were 'taken into heaven'. If this paired with the Shandian idea that we should 'hold the truth in our hearts and keep our mouths silent', and we keep in mind that this is void century lore to begin with (reminder the Tontattas weren't able to pass down VC lore, despite being able to recite oral tradition for what happened before the void century)- it becomes harder to actually believe that Kalgara is capable of giving us an entirely truthful, straightforward retelling of events here (regardless of his intention). As a result, it's possible that this vague idea of their ancestors 'going into heaven' was passed down by the Shandians as a cryptic means of saying that their ancestors (or no few number of them at least) literally ascended, physically, on Earth- perhaps to a sky island, during a war paired with a cataclysmic flooding event

Maybe we should have expected this all along, after all, central to Shinto mythology (no small influence for One Piece or Japanese culture at large) is the story of Izanagi giving birth to a sun god (Amaterasu) through his left eye and a moon god (Tsukuyomi) through his right eye.

So what does this actually mean for our understanding of Jaya, and the One Piece world as a whole?

Well, it certainly ties up some loose ends in the cultural transmission and trade that we visibly witness shaping the modern cultures of the One Piece world.

  1. There's always been questions about the relationship between Wano once being "the country of gold" and Shandora being 'the city of gold'. Shandora even holds the special (though largely unrecognized) status of being the only location in the entire One Piece world to feature the poneglyph language being used outside of actual poneglyphs

https://preview.redd.it/clfsfzv3p82h1.png?width=772&format=png&auto=webp&s=d114fe8c5d97ee2a0a4da76992df1e696a3cd9ec

https://preview.redd.it/sbr0xqb9p82h1.png?width=693&format=png&auto=webp&s=ca802843e781f12c674d86a9258d2e0a5ce2d175

(both her dialogue and the appearance of this object seem to indicate it is decisively not a poneglyph, maybe more accurately described as a 'stella' of some sort).

It's clear that there was a close relationship between Wano and Shandora even outside of this theory. But notably, there's also a heavy influence of Shintoism and Japanese culture in general on Enel and his priests. It's genuinely the strongest most consistent example of Shinto/traditional Japanese influence on any featured One Piece island culture outside of Wano. Satori's yokai inspiration and explicit tale of genji reference, Enel's abode, his taiko drums, raijin and hachiman references, even Gedatsu's belt, etc. Shintoism and traditional Japanese culture is far from the sole influence on the Birkan priests, but it is extremely hard to ignore. Trade has always been a reliable means of cultural transmission, and I believe the strong evidence of trade between Jaya and Wano (evidenced in Shandora) goes hand in hand with Birka's culture being influenced by Wano in very visible and undeniable ways. Both proving what we've already suspected about Wano/Shandora ties, and validating the idea of a blue sea 'Birka' that eventually served as the origin point for the white-sea 'Birka'.

  1. The existence of the eastern Dragon in the Alubarna palace, and Gedatsu's cover story.

To start with the latter- Gedatsu falls down to the blue sea directly from Skypiea and ends up connecting the island he lands on directly to Alabasta through tunnels. This by itself means nothing, as regardless of any blue sea 'Birka', Skypiea just happens to be near Alabasta, it's inherent to the geography. But even for early One Piece this scenario is absurd, and really begs the question "why". Why spend so much time on a cover story connecting two vital story arcs that he'll later return to for lore related reasons several times over the following decades if it has nothing to do with the lore? Even then, I was willing to excuse it, after all Oda is genuinely unpredictable to a degree that has frustrated all of us at one point or another, and I refuse to be driven mad because of one man's propensity for unrestrained silliness.

But then I noticed that Alabasta's connection to the winged races seemingly goes beyond this-

the bath in Alubarna palace

https://preview.redd.it/mceaxkq5v82h1.png?width=920&format=png&auto=webp&s=6f952aef04891e8de16b847ef127bcfa68974658

https://preview.redd.it/iewqs07ju82h1.png?width=633&format=png&auto=webp&s=442815b29bc06ef8e6c46917134fa3bba1070c5c

both Pell's eye markings and the appearance of the eastern dragon fit very neatly in the context of the winged peoples we see depicted on the moon mural and the Birkans we see in Skypiea. It's even possible that there was contact over land between Jaya;s winged peoples and Alabasta prior to the flood, given how close the two islands are.

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There's more implications downstream of this but that's about all I could think to fit in a single thread for now. My hope is that the points raised here are at least thought provoking enough for people to consider looking back on the island of Jaya and the city of Shandora for an even deeper inspection with the flooding in mind, even if they might disagree on some of my own conclusions

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u/baltigocoast — 2 days ago

Dragon/Luffy/Garp's ties to Sky Islands are deeper and more certain than you think

This topic is a bit of a dead horse at this point, but I wanted to offer more evidence and try to eliminate any doubt that people have regarding Luffy's origins, and the Monkey D. family having connections to Skypiea/Shandora/Birka.

I've seen basically every other argument for this so far, and still think there's more that people don't bring up in favor of this theory that I include here

Every member of the family has evidence pointing towards this. But we can start with the easiest to confirm

1. Dragon

https://preview.redd.it/uw9fss4tzc1h1.png?width=760&format=png&auto=webp&s=f5d9c3dbdda2c3786179309bdbacf944ceb032b1

On the left is Dragon's appearance during the founding of the revolutionary army, Chapter 1096. On the right is a random Skypiea civilian running from Enel's attack, Chapter 279.

Seems generic at first glance, but this specific Diamond-X motif hasn't been reused anywhere else since Skypiea. I find it hard to believe Oda just accidentally reused this design 800+ chapters later which just happens to coincide with one of the most consistent theories about Dragon since his appearance

The legband design also then turns into his face tattoo, a feature he has in common with Kalgara ofc

Next, something even lesser known but just as suspect when given the proper context,

https://preview.redd.it/48bsilu1fd1h1.png?width=532&format=png&auto=webp&s=3fa12253d0823bc193324bcfe2c54c3079fcf6f8

This is a named attack that Satori uses against Luffy in their fight. What's notable isn't that the attack features a Dragon, but that Satori specifically calls this Dragon, ドラゴン.

One Piece, like many other japanese works, uses multiple different ways to write "Dragon", usually differentiated by what type of literal Dragon is being described. Eastern dragons (like Kaido's Seiryu fruit) are typically described with the kanji 龍. Western dragons (like Vegapunk's experiments, or even the dragon in Monsters) have typically been depicted using 竜. Important to note, sometimes western dragons also feature furigana spelling "ドラゴン" to indicate pronunciation, but this is always paired with the 竜 kanji and is always referring to a western dragon.

The one exception? Monkey D. Dragon, whose name isn't spelled using kanji at all, only the katakana ドラゴン.

Meaning, this attack is the only case outside of Dragon's name in over 1180 chapters where 'Dragon' has been spelled solely with katakana. Mind you, One Piece is a story where the word Dragon has been written countless times for countless reasons (actual Dragons, titles, attack names, etc), so this is no minor feat.

It's hard to say exactly why Oda did this for sure, but it's possible that the Birkan people call their own mythological idea of a Dragonドラゴン and that's how Dragon got his name. This would make sense with how insular the Sky islands are as well, as their terminology already diverges from the blue sea in other areas (i.e. 'Mantra' instead of Observation Haki). Plus this also helps clear up why Garp, someone who has always hated the Celestial Dragons, allowed his kid to be named something similar- there's a deeper connection to his kid's heritage that overrules it (whether this comes from Garp or Dragon's mom is another question entirely)

https://preview.redd.it/s6rmqzlt1d1h1.png?width=446&format=png&auto=webp&s=6cd3cc990c22d700f576427b8ffee7ff671cd6c3

Returning to the face tattoo, here's a fun fact. Dragon is actually the only character other than Kalgara to have a colored face tattoo in the manga colors. Wyper is depicted as having colored face tattoos in the anime, but Oda always colored his face tattoos black in the volume covers

There's also Dragon's voice actor being the same as Kalgara, and Dragon's VA not playing any other roles besides these two in all of OP's runtime. I've heard this brought up before though

2. Garp

The more you look into Garp, the more you become convinced he's an experiment by Oda to see how long he can hide references in plain sight without tipping people off.

We can start off with how similar he looks to the Shandian chief, and the similar canine headwear

https://preview.redd.it/fpz30ty55d1h1.png?width=355&format=png&auto=webp&s=5f2beeefd5116334683aef99584ae0aa9170041c

https://preview.redd.it/u7kj4gsb5d1h1.png?width=329&format=png&auto=webp&s=55d158771e2e06d590f83313161278f8df5ba3fc

And of course his similar way of attacking to Kalgara

https://preview.redd.it/at2hs2k16d1h1.png?width=507&format=png&auto=webp&s=a68e6d8e8b394a909ae9e14df179d6fa19d44aba

https://preview.redd.it/il8op2r36d1h1.png?width=729&format=png&auto=webp&s=4b6c8925fbcb0149a3657f92c7d51d53ed26d166

These two points are already pretty well known. But what doesn't get brought up is the absurdity of Garp having several space themed attacks for apparently no reason

Meteor Fist, Meteor Fist Shower, Galaxy Divide and Galaxy Impact

Considering the winged people are depicted as originally coming from outer space (specifically the moon), this is very suspect when paired with the other evidence so far. Plus, the lack of any other explanation for why Garp has space themed attacks as someone with no other connection or interest in space exploration or other planets, I think this is Oda hinting at his background. Also, as a bonus, Garp uses Galaxy Impact after launching himself into the sky and descending from above, which only further reinforces the idea that his family lineage itself 'descended from above'

3. Luffy

During Skypiea, Luffy is connected to several small aspects of both Shandian culture and people in ways that are then in totality hard to ignore

First, as some people have pointed out before, Aisa just straight up resembles Luffy in a way that's not very common

https://preview.redd.it/ksuhp4c1cd1h1.png?width=327&format=png&auto=webp&s=f8acb1b77998120f98c1cb1ef0353cc03c90dceb

Oda is usually careful to make Luffy's design simple but unique at the same time, and it's very rare that any character is actually allowed to look this similar to him

Luffy is also constantly made to equal Wyper and share a competitive relationship with him. Their fight even ends with them having bloodied arms on opposite sides while staring each other down

https://preview.redd.it/ulkp8awjbd1h1.png?width=664&format=png&auto=webp&s=6c5e9aaff95c3b398285f9c4c1814e02f15c25d1

During Wyper's flashback, we then see a design in the Shandian village that Oda has used for one of Luffy's color spread appearances slightly before Skypiea. Very minor piece of evidence, but definitely suspect when considered in the context of Dragon's leg band and the hints embedded in Garp's character

https://preview.redd.it/sobjapfvbd1h1.png?width=866&format=png&auto=webp&s=efb1d07522a3d837c03e1b154fd6d9e031b742d3

None of these mean anything special on their own, but it is very weird that we see a pattern of parallels and design similarities in the middle of Skypiea, an arc we're meant to look at for details and hints for greater reveals in One Piece lore

Plus, the classic, Luffy having wings and winking at us in a volume cover, practically begging us to delve into conspiracy theories looking for some implicit meaning

https://preview.redd.it/9nk78tz8kd1h1.png?width=484&format=png&auto=webp&s=4b84ee3df1c446af25f60b8f0cf4431a000429ae

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u/baltigocoast — 7 days ago