Just a note up top to start: This is all just speculation and free association, making extrapolations based on what we know from the One Piece canon, other theories, and my own ideas. I'm just having fun. Do I think this is likely enough to be worth considering? Absolutely. Am I 100% sold and think there are no other possibilities? Not at all. That being said,

Introduction:

Hi, so a couple days ago I posted a theory about what I think is Blackbeard's true original devil fruit, which he's had and hidden since at least when he was on Whitebeard's crew - the Hito Hito No Mi, Model Geryon. Basically it would give him three bodies that can all exist in the same space at the same time, like the mythical Geryon, which then would be how he's able to control multiple devil fruits while hiding the true nature of his body.

So I saw another post last night about a somewhat hidden connection: Blackbeard's ship is called the Saber of Xebec, and Rocks's (AKA BB's father, Xebec's) sword was called Eclipse. That got me thinking, so I did more research on the Geryon of greek mythology (i.e. I read further down on the wikipedia page than I had before).

More Content of the Myth:

In the story of Hercules, his tenth labor was to steal the giant Geryon's cattle. To do so, he tried to cross the Libyan desert on foot, but became so frustrated in the attempt that he shot an arrow at Helios (AKA the god of the sun).

Helios, in admiration of his courage, gave Hercules the golden cup he uses to cross the sky from east to west every day. Hercules used it to reach the island where Geryos resided.

Geryos's island was called Erytheia, an island impossibly far to the west, nicknamed the Red Island of the Sunset.

Long story short, once there, he killed Geryon's two-headed dog and his shepherd, Geryon attacked him equipped with three spears, three shields, and three helmets, Hercules killed him with an arrow dipped in the poisonous blood of the Lernaean Hydra, and he got the cattle.

This doesn't directly have anything to do with eclipses, but let's dissect it a little bit because a few parallels with One Piece came to mind right away.

Associations With One Piece

Helios, the Sun God: Obvious parallel with Nika. He helped Hercules get to the island because he admired his courage.

The island itself, Erythiea: Impossibly far to the west and only reachable by special means. Sounds like Laughtale. Nicknamed "the Red Island of the Sunset". Again, relevant to the Sun God, possibly a final destination for him; but also, the Road Poneglyphs are red, so that could be a connection too.

Geryon's three spears and three shields: mostly supports the idea of him (and the user of a mythic Zoan that represents him) having three bodies, as discussed in the original post: but I can't help but notice the parallel with depictions of Nika wielding a spear and shield.

This isn't anything crazy. Just maybe somewhat tangential parallels with Nika and Laughtale. But it's not like all of One Piece is based off Hercules, Oda-san just likes to take little pieces of inspiration from various myths and combine/remix them. IMHO there's strong potential for just enough of a link in the Geryon story to make it plausible that it's one of the many things Oda's working with. Which in turn strengthens the plausibility of my theory with regard to Blackbeard and the Geryon fruit.

How I Relate This To the Eclipse:

So back to the eclipse. I didn't find anything directly relating Geryon and eclipses, but allow me to take another speculative step and extrapolate a little more:

First of all, there is a direct connection with sunset. And "Sunset" and "Eclipse" do triangulate nicely with the concept of "Enemy of the Sun", and of course Blackbeard is set up as the primary foil to Luffy.

But furthermore, as I said in the original post about the Geryon fruit; the mythical Geryon was a giant, so if Blackbeard does have that fruit, his full Zoan transformation is probably a giant form. I imagine that the Yami Yami No Mi would be extremely dangerous in the hands of a giant because of the gravitational field it produces being compounded by the giant's size, possibly big enough to swallow an entire island - but with regard to to the eclipse, the name of Blackbeard's ship and in turn the name of Xebec's sword could be foreshadowing to Blackbeard's field of darkness becoming so big in his giant form that it physically blots out the sun in the sky, a visual testament to his full power.

That's It:

I'm not going to stretch the red string further and start to make predictions about the ancient gods themselves or the Lunerians or anything like that based on this association. I just think it points that much more strongly to the likelihood that Teach is rolling with Geryon.

But be on the lookout, if Laughtale turns out to be full of cows or there's a two headed dog guarding the One Piece, let it be known I called it here.

Quite a few things lead me to believe this.

First of all when Imu first arrived, the trees and the wood started to demonically laughing

There was also a quote in the second world “the forest god tamed demons while the sun spread the fires of war” both mentioned in the same sentence. Forest and fires are antagonistic. The only two confirmed antagonistic parties in the second world we know is Imu and Joyboy. Joyboy was most likely the previous user of the Nika fruit.

Now regarding Chopper, he can tame demons and specifically turn them into more human. U can argue it’s a normal human fruit ability but I would like to go deeper than that.

Chopper is the good side of the forest. He can cure people of their sickness. While Imu represents the evil side of the forest, the poison as an example.

Another foil is, both Imu and Joyboy were very likely to have been friends one time, similar to how Chopper and Luffy are friends now.

The parrot theory would also be a good example to relate Imu to Chopper but we don’t have enough proof for that.

I do think just like there being two sides of Nika, there can possibly be two sides of other gods as well.

A simple idea that explains everything weird about Blackbeard:

The Davy Clan (Teach’s lineage) are born with two hearts, and Devil Fruits bind to the heart.

If Devil Fruits attach to the user’s heart/soul, then a person with two hearts can anchor two Devil Fruit souls.
This fits perfectly with canon.

Why this works with official lore

1. Blackbeard’s “abnormal body”

Canon repeatedly says Teach’s body is “strange” and “not normal.”
Two hearts = unique physiology.

2. Devil Fruits bind to the heart

Vegapunk, Law, Big Mom, and Brook all confirm DF powers are tied to the soul, which is anchored in the heart.

One heart = one fruit.
Two hearts = two fruits.

3. Explains why he never sleeps

Two hearts → two circadian rhythms → one consciousness always awake.

4. Explains his extreme pain

Yami Yami no Mi amplifies damage.
Two hearts = double pain processing.

5. Explains the Davy Family persecution

The Davy Clan was hunted for 800 years.
A race capable of wielding multiple Devil Fruits would terrify the World Government.

6. Explains the three‑skull Jolly Roger

Three skulls =

• Heart 1
• Heart 2
• The stolen Gura Gura soul

7. Explains Rocks D. Xebec

Rocks was born “Davy D. Xebec.”
If the clan had two hearts, Rocks had it too — explaining his monstrous strength.

When it comes to the question of Luffy’s mother, I see two possibilities. Either she will never appear, seeing as how biological parents in general aren’t all that relevant in One Piece anyway. Dadan is Luffy’s true mother because she is the one who raised him. The other possibility is that she will appear (or has already appeared), and in that case, we can look for possible narrative clues and hints that can help us uncover her identity. Also, bear in mind that while I will be exploring the possibility that we can identify Luffy’s biological mother – I am not saying that she will necessarily have any kind of integral role in the plot, merely that she may have been inserted into the story and that we can guess who she is.

It’s already been suggested in the fandom, but I think there is a strong chance that the person we’re looking for is Tritoma.

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And I am not saying this because of similar vibe, facial expressions, or anything like that.

And to understand how I came to that conclusion, I need you to ask yourself the simple question of: why in the world did Kuma send Luffy to Amazon Lily? With every other Straw Hat, he sent them to places that were perfectly suited to help them sharpen their skills, learn about the things that interested them and become stronger.

Perhaps Kuma speculated that Hancock would be able to help Luffy rescue Ace from Impel Down, but why in the world would Kuma assume that Hancock would be willing to do that? How could he possibly predict that Hancock would fall in love with him?

And the line of reasoning I had in mind is this: every previous Amazon empress we know had a tendency to fall in love with a great man. Gloriosa fell for Roger. Shakky fell for Rayleigh. If my theory is correct, Tritoma fell for Dragon. If this pattern continued, Hancock would do the same. And if the previous empress (as I speculate) had fallen for Dragon, it is entirely within the realm of reason that Kuma bet his money on Hancock falling in love with Dragon’s son, the boy whom he had been watching over for so long and become endlessly fascinated with.

Then there’s this: we know that Tritoma is deceased, and she died of “love sickness”. It’s possible that she did not merely die because of her love for a lover that she had (which I speculate is Dragon), but also because she was separated from her child, seeing as how men are not permitted to live on Amazon Lily.

You may notice that I made the assumption that Kuma knew the identity of Luffy’s mother. That is, indeed, an assumption, but one that can be defended with reasonable arguments. Consider the fact that not even Ivankov, Dragon’s closest subordinate, had any idea that Dragon had a son. And yet Kuma somehow knew about this. If he knew that Dragon had a child, it is reasonable for us to speculate that he also knew that he had a lover, and who that lover was.

But, you may protest, the Kuja only give birth to females. And this actually goes to support my point, because if Luffy had been the first ever boy to be born of a Kuja, this would go on to emphasize his characteristic uniqueness. Luffy is no ordinary person, and it would make sense if this pattern of doing the extraordinary began at his moment of birth.

One final thing I’ll mention is this (and this is not a thought that is original to me): Oda loves assigning meanings and words to numbers. And Tritoma appears in Chapter 1156. Number 5 is read as “Go” in Japanese. In the ancient Japanese counting system, 6 is read as “Mutsu”, and sometimes simply the shortened version “Mu” is used. Put them together, and you get “Gomu”. This is not the only time Oda has used the number 56 in the story to allude to Luffy’s devil fruit. For example, when the Grand Fleet formed at the end of Dressrosa, the total number of men who swore loyalty to Luffy was exactly 5,600.

None of this is 100% conclusive, but I believe I had a thought or two that was worth sharing. Let me know what you think.

I’ve been watching one piece since the beginning, I read the manga and read theories. I don’t want the reveal of everything to be similar to game of thrones. All this hype of about the lore, the characters, the mysteries. I hope it’s all worth in the end. I promise if it’s not then I’ve wasted hours of my life on this shit. If oda gives us some cheap ending, I don’t think I’ll watch any anime that has more than 12 of episodes.

If Loki is gonna join the crew then Biblio must make the sunny bigger, which i don't think that Franky will allow it. So if Loki joins then I think his hybrid form will be human size or Jinbei's or Franky's size🤣

If not, then he will join Hajrudin's crew.

But, I think that he will change his mind to stay in Elbaph and protecting its children as a unofficial king of Elbaph.

What do you think?

NOTE: this is my first time posting my weird theories, that I get during sleep.

This 'upgrade' isn't haki or anything, which is obviously still something luffy needs to work on, but it's an upgrade to his devil fruit. What do I mean by this? Rumble balls!

Chopper had 3 forms before he had any rumble balls (reindeer form = walk point, hybrid form = brain point, and human like one = heavy point), and once he takes a rumble ball, he gains access to 4 NEW temporary forms (arm point, guard point, horn point, and jumping point). This is proof that a zoan will gain access to some new type of forms when they take a rumble ball.

We know that chopper is able to make a different variant of the balls, which we have seen when Bepo from Laws crew took one to activate his Sulong form since he is a mink (and he nearly solo's the whole crew). This proves that chopper is able to modify these to cater to different situations, where it can affect a mink with no zoan devil fruit.

Chopper is also known to be super duper smart. Evidence - Queens 'masterpiece virus' the ice oni he used during onigashima, which I assume means he worked quite hard and long on it, and is confident that nobody except for him can make a virus. And yet, chopper was able to make a cure for his masterpiece within one hour, in a battlefield. Imagine what he could do given weeks/months to study luffys devil fruit, so that he can make a special rumble ball just for him. Plus now with the Vegapunk connection they have, it could be even quicker/better.

Some drawbacks I will admit: could just be an animal thing, maybe it only works with his devil fruit since he can feel it's wavelength better, mythical zoans mightn't be applicable for this (especially a human form zoan), and all the other drawbacks you would have thought while reading this :)

Let me know what you guys think! I thought of this around when it was revealed luffy has a mythical zoan, and I couldnt see anyone saying this kinda theory anywhere either

I heard something about Oda originally making the strong world movie a true Nami origin but others convinced him that it’s too much. I assume that means it’ll be left to the end and will play some huge role pre “official” final war or Laughtale. I’ve always believed that the Strawhats go to the moon and Nami turns out to be from there or some major lore drop especially considering her position to high altitudes being on sky islands and Shiki’s whole motif on flight so just keep going higher. But it looks like the time is limited in the story so I doubt it no matter how cool it is. But I for the life of me can’t think of anything else or even fathom what her lineage or inherited will could be. Ideas?

After watching odens flashback for the second time, i began theorizing the whole laughtale scene, and i came up with something that may tie together rogers interaction at fishman island and post laughtale.

So, after roger found the onepiece, he talked about how he was “too early”, meaning he was likely talking about the “next joyboy”, who he thought was going to be ace, but i feel like he knew about luffy somehow, especially in the way he was talking. So, what if the onepiece is just a poneglyph, talking about the whole void century and joyboys story, which would explain why oden was so invested in it as well. It talked about all the hardships and how strong joyboy became, to the point where he could see hundreds of years into the future, seeing luffy carrying on his will and being the only other person to unlock the full potential of the fruit and finally take down the government once and for all. This information was shared with toki by joyboy himself, who, before the big battle, sent herself to the future to see her home before his return to prepare the people of wano for the future. Roger, reading about the past, knew that he was too early to be here, and realized there was a different reason for him to be there, he knew we wasnt the one to take the government down, he didnt care about that as much as luffy, all he wanted was adventure, so after disbanning the crew, roger made sure his crew was sent to different checkpoints waiting for luffys arrival to make sure he is ready for that battle against the government that roger read about. Now, for toki, i believe she was originally there to protect wano, but seeing oden and his group he formed, she decided to go back to wano and make sure they were ready before sending them to the time where it mattered. While toki is presumably dead, i believe she is actually waiting for luffys arrival at laughtale to show him what really happened. Luffy will likely arrive at laughtale before the battle, so she will have to show him what he will have to surpass in order to win.

That is my theory

He possesses the hito hito no mi model: great Buddha, which is a mythical zoan.

I’m trying to make sense of why luffy doesn’t have a hybrid form, or some other transformation like other mythical zoans or zoans in general.

Luffy is always rubber, he is always free, even his abilities in base form (which includes his gears which are fighting styles not transformations), his awakening transforms him to fully realize those abilities essential giving him the abilities of nika on full display, complete freedom

Do you think sengoku in his base form is capable of doing things that allude to his full transformation?

We have yet to see what he’s capable of like garp which sucks because he’s probably the only person that could give more answers on how it works when a human eats a human-human fruit.

Given that his model is great Buddha, the concept itself implies he has great abilities, more than what was shown in marineford. Unless his abilities stop at sending shockwaves that’d really suck kuma does that already

All other zoan fruit users whether it’s ancient zoan, mythical, or normal, most of them seem to have a complete transformation and a hybrid transformation which is even stronger than the complete transformation in terms of fighting.

So my real question is do you think there is more to luffy’s power like another transformation or are his only power ups moving forward haki related?

I just watched a breakdown that finally made this click for me, and I think it's worth laying out because the general reader reaction to this idea has been "no way, it's too early." Hear me out.

The core claim: Luffy beats Imu here in Elbaf. Not permanently, not in a way that removes Imu from the final war, but enough to force him out of Elbaf and back to Mary Geoise. Imu stays a major threat for the final war, where he actually goes down to other characters (most likely Dragon or Shanks, given how long those storylines have been building). Luffy's real final opponent stays Blackbeard.

Why Elbaf's themes point this way:

Elbaf is an arc about defiance, about a nation refusing to be stepped on anymore. That's a bad fit for an ending where the heroes just get beaten down until Imu's mysterious "timer" runs out. And that timer thing everyone keeps citing? It was never actually established in canon. We collectively invented it because Imu bleeding on arrival made him feel unbeatable, so we needed an explanation for how the arc resolves without anyone actually beating him.

Gaban's lectures are the real tell here. He's told Zoro he needs to master conqueror's haki, told Sanji he needs to find the king inside himself, and told Luffy basically the same thing: you're not good enough yet, you need to become good enough right now. Everyone assumes Zoro and Sanji's lectures mean a haki breakthrough and a won fight this arc. Nobody wants to extend Luffy the same logic, purely because the power gap to Imu feels too big. But narratively, there's no difference in what Gaban is setting up for all three of them.

Why it's not too early:

Oda already used this exact mechanism one arc ago in Egghead. Characters summoned through the pentagrams via the power of the abyss got sent home when hit with Joy Boy level haki. Elbaf has been hammering conqueror's haki as the central theme (Zoro and Sanji are both mid-upgrade on theirs, Kaido flat out tells Luffy his weak conqueror's haki is what makes him unworthy of being pirate king), and Luffy already saw Joy Boy's level of haki firsthand last arc and clearly knows how far he still has to go.

So the pieces are: Imu needs to leave without being killed, the send-home mechanism already exists and requires strong conqueror's haki, and Luffy's next big upgrade has been telegraphed as a conqueror's haki bloom for a long time now. Put those together and the ending writes itself: Luffy has an emotionally fueled, out-of-his-control burst of Joy Boy level conqueror's haki, momentarily overwhelms Imu, undoes the abyss's power, and sends him back to Marijoa.

Why this doesn't ruin Imu or overpower Luffy:

This isn't Luffy beating Imu in a straight fight. It's a symbolic, one-off awakening, the same category of moment as Usopp's observation haki spike at Dressrosa or Zoro's conqueror's haki moment against Kaido. Those didn't mean instant mastery, they were stepping stones. Luffy gets shoved to the "I've touched it once but can't use it on command yet" stage, which sets him up perfectly for the final war without making him unbeatable right now. Imu still gets to be a genuine threat later, and other long-running storylines (Dragon and Shanks especially) still get their payoff against him.

Basically: this isn't Luffy solving Imu. It's Luffy finally proving he can be Joy Boy's successor, right when the story has spent the entire arc telling him he isn't yet.

Curious what people think, does this hold up against how you've been reading Gaban's speeches, or is the power gap just too big to buy this happening now instead of the final war?

Just a question on who could the earth king might be ? And ik it feels hypocritical that the sea that cursed the devil fruit eaters might be materialised in a fruit but im saying it as being that plays a role in the final war, like the diety it self not one with its power, like think of as the og NIKA not joyboy not luffy like if the sea diety it self might appear someday