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robert smith's complete reading list - compiled

primary source -

2003 'rock and folk' article:

http://www.picturesofyou.us/03/03-08-rockandfolk-fr-1.htmhere's

everything, with his own words where he gave them:

ROBERT SMITH'S READING LIST: COMPLETE

1. THE CHRONICLES OF NARNIA — C.S. Lewis

His father read it to him at age four to send him to sleep. His own words: "I adored running away in those tales, it was my only reassuring moment — I was just discovering the incredible power of literature, the one of consolation and evasion."

2. THE COMPLETE WORKS OF FRANZ KAFKA — The Trial, The Metamorphosis, The Castle, Letters to Felice

His teenage obsession. His own words: "For the first time, the narrator's voice was mine. I was the narrator. I was blending myself in his words."

3. THE STRANGER (L'ÉTRANGER) — Albert Camus

The book that produced the first single. Killing an Arab is a direct lyric engagement with the beach murder scene — Meursault, the sun, the trigger pulled in existential blankness. Smith studied French at Crawley College and encountered Camus there. His own words: "The theme of the absurd has always fascinated me."

4. NAUSEA (LA NAUSÉE) — Jean-Paul Sartre

His own words: "His description of the human condition stays unmatched, and I defy anyone to do better than Nausea."

Foundational existentialist text.

5. THE FLOWERS OF EVIL (LES FLEURS DU MAL) and selected poems — Charles Baudelaire

Several direct connections. How Beautiful You Are is based on Baudelaire's prose poem The Eyes of the Poor. Smith's own words: "Some poems, like Baudelaire's 'The Eyes of the Poor,' impressed me so much that I wanted to make a song of them. Their style already had a kind of musical rhythm. Singing 'How Beautiful You Are' is like going into an oral tradition."

6. CHARLOTTE SOMETIMES & TWO (OR THE BOOK OF TWINS AND DOUBLES) — Penelope Farmer

The source of the song Charlotte Sometimes — the story of a girl who wakes up in a boarding school forty years in the past, inhabiting another girl's body and life. Smith's own words: "I was obsessed by Charlotte Sometimes, this idea of temporal downfall, of duality, of personality trouble and the torture that follows."

7. THE GORMENGHAST TRILOGY — Mervyn Peake

The source of The Drowning Man from Faith (1981). The character of Fuchsia — the wild, sensitive, doomed daughter of Lord Groan — haunted Smith deeply. His own words: "Fuchsia was my dream. This idea of infinite, of unreal, of dying innocence... At that time I was considering myself as her, as a victim." Plus the books probably inspired All Cats Are Grey too. Highly recommended. Among my favorite books of all time.

8. THE RAVEN AND SELECTED POEMS — Edgar Allan Poe

Named alongside Salinger and Rimbaud as teenage reading. His own words: "Edgar Allen Poe, who wrote 'The Raven', a masterpiece of modern poetry."

9. THE CATCHER IN THE RYE and selected stories — J.D. Salinger

Named twice in the interview. The story Bananafishbones is directly referenced in the Cure track of a similar name. Smith's admiration is partly for the work and partly for the life: "He's a character that I admire and that intrigues me also: isolating himself from the world, living as a recluse in a monastery, giving up writing and refusing any contact with the outside, it's fascinating."

10. PARADISE LOST — John Milton (1667)

The influence on Pornography (1982). His own words: "Pure poetry, fabulous, a must for an English grammar school pupil and very influencing on romantic writers. The style is strong, incredible. It strongly influenced Pornography. The idea of being a victim was still there, but it was becoming unbearable. I had decided to struggle in front of a world I hated. It was Devil against God. The fight was lost in advance."

11. ILLUMINATIONS and A SEASON IN HELL — Arthur Rimbaud

Named alongside Salinger and Poe as teenage reading. Rimbaud's project — the dérèglement de tous les sens, the systematic derangement of all the senses as a means of accessing transcendent vision — is the most direct precursor to Smith's image-chain technique (multiple songs use it, clearest example is probably 'Dropping through sky, through the glass of the roof
Through the roof of your mouth, through the mouth of your eye
Through the eye of the needle, it's easier for me
To get closer to heaven than ever feel whole again' from the title track of Disintegration. For another bit of music history, Patti Smith & Bob Dylan both like Rimbaud a lot. Highly recommend, along with his other works.

12. THE VIEW FROM NOWHERE — Thomas Nagel

Nagel is an American philosopher whose The View From Nowhere argues that objective and subjective perspectives on reality are both legitimate and irreducibly different — that you cannot fully step outside your own experience to see the world as it is in itself, but you also cannot reduce the world to your experience of it. The tension between these two perspectives is permanent.

Smith connects this to his obsession with twins: "Being able to go out of myself, leaving my body to observe me." The desire for an objective view of the self — to see yourself as you actually are rather than as you experience yourself — is the impossible desire. You are always inside your own perspective. You can imagine the view from nowhere but you can never occupy it.

I thought this kinda links to Disintegration: The album is narrating disintegration, but how, as the narrator themselves is disintegrating?The speaker on every track is trying to see themselves clearly and cannot.

ADDITIONALLY MENTIONED BUT NOT IN THE FORMAL LIST:

Jorge Luis Borges — Fictions: Smith mentions him with explicit humility — "It's quite frustrating to understand I would never reach their level, I would never touch the art of Jorge Luis Borges' words."

Nick Hornby — High Fidelity: "A classic for music maniacs. Brilliant, perfect, I have all the records mentioned in it!"

The Bible: He's taken it on tour in the past. "It's useful to hit the others, better than a phonebook." During the Faith tour he read passages each evening. He insists he never really read it properly but Nausea covers the same territory.

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u/dylan1989_exe — 17 hours ago
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david bowie low - innovation (or not?), overrated (or not?)

Bowie is one of my artists, and Low is genuinely one of the best albums I've ever heard — but it's overrated relative to how the critical consensus frames it, specifically on the "groundbreaking/visionary/pioneering" axis. That reputation conflates two different things — originality and influence — and the album is much stronger on the second than the first.

Side one is where the real invention happens, but it's invention-as-synthesis, not invention-from-nothing. None of the ingredients are new — krautrock pulse, art-rock fragmentation, synth texture, vocal-as-texture — but Bowie combines them into his own pop/lyrical form and his own voice, and that specific combination hadn't existed before. He has better individual pop songs on other records, but nothing else of his has this particular fractured, textural approach, which is what sets it apart. "Sound and Vision" is the clearest distillation of this — gorgeous, and it basically synthesizes the whole album in one track: the sonic statement plus the personal-recovery undercurrent.

Side two is gorgeous and contains some of the album's best songs (the closer especially), but compositionally it's nothing new. It's Bowie and Eno executing pre-existing vocabulary at a high level rather than inventing: Weeping Wall is Reich's phasing process applied almost directly, Art Decade was largely assembled by Eno on his own (echoing his own Another Green World/Discreet Music), and even Warszawa's central theme came from Eno building on a piano riff Visconti's kid was noodling, with Bowie adding a ten-minute vocal on top afterward — a vocal whose melody itself leans on a Polish folk choir recording. So the side that gets called most "visionary" is the one most thoroughly built from other people's already-existing material.

The vocal-over-texture idea on side two (Warszawa) isn't a separate innovation either — it's side one's actual move (voice treated as another instrumental texture) just carried over onto ambient material. So there's really only one site of invention on the record, and it's side one.

The influence is real and separate from all this. Joy Division literally named themselves after the Warszawa-adjacent material before becoming Joy Division; Robert Smith has named Low directly as the reference point for Seventeen Seconds; Siouxsie and the Banshees' early cold/minimal sound draws on the same Berlin-period well. But that influence runs on the compression/packaging achievement — Bowie and co. took avant-garde, krautrock, and minimalist vocabulary that already existed at full scale elsewhere and made it legible inside a mainstream rock record for the first time, which is why the next generation of guitar bands could actually use it. No doubt that it's a great album and achievement. But just quite different from saying this is revolutioanry or Bowie invented this. But that's just my take. You're welcome to share your thoughts below!

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u/dylan1989_exe — 17 hours ago