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References to other films

References to other films

While Kubrick draws parallels with various films, I will focus on those whose plots involve themes of power, high society, cults, secret societies, and dishonesty within relationships.

Some interesting examples include:

True Lies (1994), in which an agent from a top-secret agency hides his true profession from his wife, leading her to believe he is a computer salesman. Their lives change when he discovers she is also seeking excitement, and both end up involved in a mission against nuclear terrorists. Both films feature dance scenes that include the exchange: "Do you like the period? I adore it."

https://preview.redd.it/ab56htgafwsh1.jpg?width=2340&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=89e46918dbd268a84a75c7f8133f179d162590e6

In The Ninth Gate (1999), the protagonist is an unscrupulous rare-book expert hired to examine copies of a book supposedly co-authored by the Devil; he discovers a high-society congregation of devotees awaiting the Devil's manifestation. Many scenes set at St. Martin's Castle are reminiscent of Somerton. Interestingly, the French pronunciation of "St. Martin" sounds similar to "Somerton." Both films feature a scene where a car arrives at a location marked by a sign in the woods bearing the name of the respective mansion. In The Ninth Gate, the red car turns into the lane and then drives away. In Eyes Wide Shut, when Bill arrives by car during the day, a red car is seen passing him, heading in the opposite direction and driving away.

https://preview.redd.it/o0ob7x5lfwsh1.jpg?width=3013&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8dea2f131cf300334fd2b87df92be99b691a011e

In Half Moon Street (1986), a brilliant intellectual begins leading a double life, working secretly for a high-end escort agency, and finds herself trapped in a dangerous game of conspiracy and international tension. There is a scene where she meets with a client and a waiter; the two Japanese actors involved are the same ones who appear in the scene with Milich's daughter in Eyes Wide Shut.

https://preview.redd.it/nt2y0ogtfwsh1.jpg?width=1998&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d2cb9881c852dc2c97789f881c4f0346167ce94a

In Rosemary's Baby, a couple moves into a mysterious New York City building, and the young woman becomes pregnant amidst a dark Satanic conspiracy. The car featured in the film's poster bears a striking resemblance to the one that catches Helena's eye at the end of Eyes Wide Shut—a car Alice dismisses as "too old-fashioned."

https://preview.redd.it/l7pdk6v0gwsh1.jpg?width=1917&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ccae9cecf223b242d496ff367fcaf3484f905264

Has anyone else spotted references or similarities to other films in Eyes Wide Shut?

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u/ffcc01 — 14 days ago

Eyes Wide Shut is a subtraction... because they're going to be taking (something away)

The movie is both a psychological journey that strips them of their marital innocence, and a literal experience where they lose their daughter.

u/ffcc01 — 18 days ago

Is Eyes Wide Shut a game of chess?

It is well known that Kubrick was an avid chess player, and it has been suggested that he might have designed *Eyes Wide Shut* as a match. Perhaps that is why references to a king, queens, and a knight appear in this scene.

https://preview.redd.it/s3x2zosd7prh1.jpg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d50d9e70db930f8f133294701dcac464f963a59a

I always wondered why, at the beginning of the film, the nanny Roz and Helena "castle" when she goes to say goodnight to her parents.

https://reddit.com/link/1wq1z2o/video/102984ek7prh1/player

However, I found this poster designed by www.alexfellows.com, in which he visualizes Helena and Roz as the Black Queen and Black Rook, respectively—a concept that fits perfectly with that move.

https://preview.redd.it/6wzcdywr7prh1.jpg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=111237fc3b47ab780f0f7ceca0e399d03b7290f8

There are other references to black and white elsewhere in the film, though I am not sure if they are related to this.

https://preview.redd.it/mn0zr9wv7prh1.jpg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=157e1550faad532f8ba6bbb16cd8547b12d5bb05

In any case, if Helena is the Black Queen, the knight appearing next to her photo in Bill’s office could represent the waiter who constantly wanders around the party while Alice is with Sandor. It certainly looks like him; he appears for only a fraction of a second in the toy store scene at the end of the film—it is almost imperceptible, but he is there. If that is the case, then it is he—as a Ziegler employee "previously dressed in white"—who takes Helena away, rather than the bald men usually discussed in this context. It would also make sense because his movement as he enters the hallway and heads toward Helena follows an L-shape, just like a knight. Furthermore, he approaches her from the right, mirroring the knight next to her photo. After that: checkmate.

https://preview.redd.it/j9l8pb248prh1.jpg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e7d6807a757650ea0294b995000b0d49a7495fc7

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u/ffcc01 — 20 days ago

The tiger as a sexual predator?

There has been much debate regarding the symbolism of the tigers in Eyes Wide Shut, and a consensus seems to have emerged—particularly concerning Helena's potential fate.

https://preview.redd.it/kccbkbjtokqh1.jpg?width=1213&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=25e8e053340b11456b6af8470b13abb1d157946b

This largely stems from the scene with Bill and Domino, where her stuffed tiger shifts from facing forward to facing away after Bill answers a phone call from Alice.

https://preview.redd.it/wirgekl0pkqh1.jpg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e9336a0ffe0b4a45f8e1746faa78fca7e0279c5f

However, I also noticed that the lamps in the Harfords' home feature a tiger design; they appear three times throughout the film, each time Bill returns home after being threatened: first after the orgy, second after receiving the warning letter outside Somerton, and third after the scene with Ziegler and the pool table. In almost every instance, the front of the tiger is visible, but the final shot shows the rear—two halves that effectively form a complete tiger figure, just before Bill turns off the Christmas tree lights near the end of the movie. Two halves—much like the film's two mirror-image halves, or the two halves of the bill Bill splits for the taxi driver...

https://preview.redd.it/8gg8e316pkqh1.jpg?width=1640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e617830fd27982f9c34803fe11a3919b143ac44

I find it interesting that the tiger motif had already appeared in earlier Kubrick films dealing with the theme of child sexual abuse. In The Shining, the theory that Danny is being sexually abused is partly supported by the appearance of bears at various points in the footage (bears also appear in Eyes Wide Shut), and one could argue that the tigers complement this idea: right after Danny faints, while the doctor is examining him, an image of a tiger can be seen in the background, seemingly watching from a hidden vantage point. Then, at certain key moments, Tony the Tiger—the cereal mascot—appears (Tony was the name of Danny’s imaginary friend, who lived inside his mouth).

https://preview.redd.it/0i8h0vvdpkqh1.jpg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bdd1132f5b0927397dcd3f100834da53165c7473

Earlier, in Lolita, during the confrontation between the girl's two predators, we see what appears to be a tiger-skin rug associated with the scene.

https://preview.redd.it/ghzmvbjjpkqh1.jpg?width=2399&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=238e234c810c5a33e67f35fd838487d20df9a7bd

To those who might object to these connections, it is worth clarifying that this is simply a linking of elements, as is common in any analysis of a film or a filmmaker's body of work. Connecting images and arriving at hypotheses—such as the one regarding child abuse—does not imply a belief that Kubrick made the film solely to expose a specific reality. To me, Eyes Wide Shut is a film about marital crisis, jealousy, male fragility, the repressed unconscious, the nature of eroticism, power structures, capitalism, love, and death. The symbolism holds true whether one views the plot literally—involving cults and power groups—or interprets certain scenes as dreams or metaphors for married life and its ups and downs. Just because a post focuses on one aspect of the film does not mean others are being disregarded; it is merely one small contribution to the immense richness of a film like this. Some comments fall into the very trap they seek to criticize: they end up being quite limited in scope.

If anyone has spotted tigers—or other recurring motifs—in other scenes or Kubrick films, please feel free to share your observations.

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u/ffcc01 — 25 days ago

Alice and her home life

Does anyone else find Alice's appearance strange in this sequence of scenes that seem to take place one after another? It’s not just that her hair is different; it looks as though her bra is black in one scene and purple in the other. Perhaps they take place on different days, or maybe while Bill is working, Alice goes out and does other things we aren't shown. That might also explain why she smells her armpit when applying deodorant.

u/ffcc01 — 28 days ago

Another clue that Asian men are reflections of Bill and Alice

To support the point of my previous post, I'm sharing this video, which I could only upload via a link before. I made sure to record the image from my own TV and that there were no AI modifications. (Clarification: What is similar between both scenes is the way they say goodbye: one is a mirror of the other)

u/ffcc01 — 1 month ago

Asian men are the doubles of Bill and Alice

The Japanese men's clothing is similar to that of Alice and Bill in the toy store scene at the end of the film, which could support the idea that they themselves made some kind of agreement to hand Helena over.

Furthermore, the way they say goodbye to her at the beginning of the film is the same way the Japanese men say goodbye to Milich's "daughter", as can be seen at this link:

https://imgur.com/a/2TkJaZQ

u/ffcc01 — 1 month ago