r/EyesWideShut

Long time watcher, long time reader, long time poster here ...

The previous post's insight into the first party had me rewatch it.

In particular, I was looking at the blackground actors in the first part. Yes, obviously, there is the whole theory with the guys who (maybe) take Helena at the end, but also there is another theory that the first party itself starts with old guys dancing with old ladies, then there is a transition, and old guys are dancing with younger girls. I wanted to check it. And, of course, there is the epstein-looking guy, which I take with a grain of salt, as the movie came out in 1999, and the guy looks more like Epstein in 2018. (There is a picture of Epstein in a tux from 1999 at the top of this article - https://news.sky.com/story/all-you-need-to-know-about-jeffrey-epstein-court-documents-being-unsealed-from-today-13040790 - there is some resemblance)

ANYHOW

What I found really interesting is what happens after the musicians announce a break. Everyone is going to the right - like everyone. A couple of women in the middle foreground are being, apparently, pushed or guided by the men behind them, all in the same direction. Alice suddenly announces she needs to go to the bathroom. NeoEpstein is with a woman, sometimes called a young woman, though zooming in and looking carefully I'd say early 30's. While Bill and Alice talk, the camera is looking straight at them. When NeoEpstein passes, youngWoman looks back, and Alice looks at her (first image). It could be a look of recognition, or of fear (second image). Bill doesn't notice and is off to talk to his buddy; Alice moves to the right and the camera suddenly moves with them, quickly.

When the scene ends we next see Alice walking through double doors, with NeoEpstein behind and someone who might be called NeoMaxwell in the middle on the right. (Picture 3) Alice has one glass of wine. The next time we see her, she is already drunk.

Many people here have pointed out it is odd, where did YoungWoman go, was Kubrik trying to signal something?

I wonder.

The entire first party is 17:07 of running time. Given that for most of hat time we are following two different stories (bill is here, alice there), that means 10 to 12 minutes of time at the party.

Of course they stayed longer than 12 minutes. Simple politeness would have them stay more like an hour, much more if they were actually enjoying themselves. Unless we say party number one is a dream (there is some weird freudian lighting), we need the alcohol to have time to get into Alice's system and get her drunk. I think she's proper enough to not be drinking in the car on the way over.

EWS came out in 1999. Pulp Fiction came out in 1994, and did both Temporal Ellipsis (skipping time, where the runtime is shorter than the elapsed time of the characters) but also non-linear chronology - actually putting scenes in the movie out of order of how they occurred for the character in Diegentic time (the time the characters would have experienced if it were the real world.)

This is what I am wondering: What appears to us as a simple scene transition, with Alice walking through a doorway then appearing on the other side - what if it isn't? What if she recognizes the woman and it is some sort of sex scene? There would have been members of the cult here -- she drinks to forget it.

One indicator that time passed, and this is a real weak one - but when bill is talking to nick nightingale, and we have the "how are you buddy" / "you haven't changed a bit" dialogue, toward the end, you'll see NeoEpstein at right. If he just walked through the door, he can't be there. Unless the time-splicing for the cast is experienced differently than the audience. Of course that is weak, he might just be an extra, they did a million takes, etc, etc.

Still ...

I'm getting a lot out of watching backgrounds at the first party.

That said, I'm wondering -

WHERE DID THIS GUY AND HIS LADY GO? (At Left)

They dance into the door and just disappear.

One interpretation is the first party is a dream.

Is there a better one?

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