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Do you own any 4th/5th Ed Army books? (research into reprints and rules changes)

So I always knew the Skaven book I owned was the 4th Ed rules, but had been reprinted during 5th Ed at which point they had changed the design layout of the Magic Cards. I thought that was the end of it, and it was purely visual, until I started finding other rules changes buried in the various books.

The following is a list of (English) 4th/5th Ed books which have been later reprinted with rules changes, that I know to exist. To the best of my knowledge, the Chaos Dwarf, Champions of Chaos, Realm of Chaos and Dogs of War books had no later reprints.

The actual date of the printing can vary depending on whether you look at the copyright date on the back cover, or that on the inside cover. And they don't always align.

Book Inside Cover Date Rear Cover Date
Empire 1993 1992
Empire 1996 1992
Orcs & Goblins 1993 1993
Orcs & Goblins 1996 1993
Chaos 1994 1994
Chaos 1996 1994
Undead 1994 1994
Undead 1998 1998
Dark Elves 1995 1995
Dark Elves 1996 1995
Bretonnia 1996 1996
Bretonnia 1999 1996
Lizardmen 1997 1996
Lizardmen 1999 1999
Dwarfs 1993 1993
Dwarfs 1996 1993
Skaven 1993 1993
Skaven 1996 1993
High Elves(5th) 1997 1997
High Elves(5th) 1999 1999

The numbers above are correct, at least for the books that I have, even if they don't make sense, e.g. the first Empire printing being 1992 or 1993 depending on which page you look at.

Various rule changes were then buried in these books. In most of the 1996 reprints, the typesetting also changes on the altered pages, so you can figure out where something might have updated. But for the Bretonnia/Lizardman/High Elf reprints, it's all the same typesetting. So I've had to use a bit of OCR and a bit of OCD eyeballing to ferret out the below rules changes and clarifications. It's entirely possible I've missed a few.

Book Year Rules
Chaos 1996 Section on Daemonic Save clarifies that a daemon riding a daemon mount gets +1 in the same manner as cavalry
Chaos 1996 Harpy leadership now correctly stated as 6 under Regiments (previously was 8 there, but 6 in Bestiary)
Chaos 1996 Chaos Dragon now lists the armour save rules from 5th (also in WD198 in late 4th)
Chaos 1996 Chaos Gorgon statline corrected on the Monsters page to reflect that in the Bestiary section
Orcs & Goblins 1996 Pump Wagon now explicitly states the snotlings don't follow mimic rules
Orcs & Goblins 1996 Warlords are now capped at 1
Orcs & Goblins 1996 The note highlighting the change in Savage Orc points cost from 5.5 (base 4th Rulebook) to 7.5 (Army Book) is now dropped
Empire 1996 Great Cannon points changed from 100 to 95 in Special Rules section and War Machines page
Empire 1996 War Altar no longer makes Empire troops within 6" immune to Psychology & Break tests
Undead 1998 Magic rules updated to 5th edition (various rules changes)
Undead 1998 Spell Commentaries updated to 5th edition (various rules changes)
Undead 1998 Adds 3 new characters from the Circle of Blood scenario
Undead 1998 Heinrich Kemmler points cost updated from 350 to 410
Undead 1998 Cloak of Mists and Shadows is now an Item effect, rather than a bound spell
Dark Elves 1996 Cauldron of Blood now states it and its guardians cannot be joined into a unit
Dark Elves 1996 Blood Banner cost corrected from 50 pts to 10 pts
Dark Elves 1996 Clarifies that the Corsair Sea Dragon Cloak unmodified 5+ Save does not apply if an attack denies an armour save
Dark Elves 1996 Corsair Champions now must be equipped with the Sea Dragon Cloak
Dark Elves 1996 Executioner Initiative now correctly stated as 6 under Army List (previously was 7 there, but 6 in Bestiary)
Dark Elves 1996 Clarifies that the Keeper of the Cauldron "Hag Queen" only has Witch Elf Champion stats
Dark Elves 1996 Also that the Keeper of the Cauldron cannot take magic items
Skaven 1996 Magic cards rewritten. Card restrictions are no longer listed, but are in 5th Ed Warhammer Magic. Mechanics changes for: Seer Stone, The Rod of Corruption, Liber Bubonicus
Skaven 1996 Clarifies that the Skaven unique combat rank bonus to leadership is also lost when attacked in the side or rear
Skaven 1996 Skavenslave Wounds now correctly stated as 1 under Bestiary (previously was 2 there, but 1 in Army List)
Skaven 1996 Vermin Lords lose access to Dark Magic
Dwarfs 1996 Clarifies that warmachines with the Rune of Disguise do actually need to be placed on the table
Dwarfs 1996 Anvil of Doom rules updated for 5th Edition Rebound/Destroy card behaviour
Dwarfs 1996 Flame Cannon range now correctly stated as 12 under Army List (previously was 24 there, but 12 in Bestiary)
Dwarfs 1996 Bugmans Tankard now correctly listed as 50 pts under Special Characters (previously was 25 there, but 50 on the card)
Bretonnia 1999 Hippogriff now correctly listed as 145 pts under Monsters (previously was 125 there)
Bretonnia 1999 Removes ambiguous wording from the Shield of Bohemond, roll to break the weapon, then roll to save
Bretonnia 1999 Morgiana's Mirror now correctly states it can be used to supplement Mental Duel, not Magic Duel
Bretonnia 1999 Clarifies that enemies turned into frogs via the Spiteful Glance spell do not award victory points
Lizardmen 1999 Clarifies that Skink Shamans have the aquatic trait as per other Skinks
Lizardmen 1999 Also that Skink Champions can be installed in a Stegadon crew
High Elves 1999 Clarifies that White Lions when using Lion Rampant or Lion Leaping can still attack as normal

There were other minor things altered, e.g. references to the Warhammer Battle Magic supplement were updated, typos fixed, references to specific Warhammer rulebook pages changed. So the above are only the changes which affect tabletop play.

I would be interested if anyone has any English language versions that are not listed above? (and are not the known single-edition books) There was a 1997 printing of the Undead book which I don't have, but I assume it had the 5th Ed rules, but maybe not the additional special characters at that stage.

As far as I know, there were no additional reprints of Skaven, Orcs & Goblins, Dwarfs or Wood Elves after the 1996 versions. But honestly there might have been. If anyone has seen post-1996 versions of these I'd be keen to know.

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