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warhammer art show the cultists in a way that its so obvious that they are cultists, how would an actual cultist of each chaos god behave if they are trying to keep the cult a secret ? how would they convince people to join them without being so obviously a chaos plot ? you know like how a real cult behave

Question is in the title, thank you very much for your help. Basically, I just need to know if they should have shields, or just a bare hand. I'm going for a big 2,000 or 2,5000+ point army, though.

Also, and yes, I know two hand weapons are the most optimal loadout for Orcs (right?), but these are already assembled, I just found them while cleaning out an old drawer I have.

I now have a lot of old bank and brokerage account statements that need to be shredded, lol!

Oh, if only I had invested everything I've spent on Warhammer models into GAW.L or GMWKF over the years...

I wanted to run this by some people who are more familiar with the lore than I am.

I remember hearing years ago that Chaos cults, specifically Tzeentch cults, run rampant in Cathay because the humans of Cathay have no chance of overthrowing their dragon overlords. So they turn to Tzeentch for change.

The thing is I can’t seem to find any sources that back this up. I know there are some lines in Total War Warhammer 3 that suggest that Tzeentch has a strange obsession/ hatred of Cathay because it’s been relatively stagnant for so long. But that’s as close as I got.

Anyone know anything more or can verify Cathay’s Cults problem?

The reason I ask is because I see a lot of people criticizing Cathay for coming off as too perfect sometimes. But I vividly remember hearing this brought up a few years back. Which would be a great way to show that their perfect reputation is just a façade for a ton of underlying problems.

So I always knew the Skaven book I owned was the 4th Ed rules, but had been reprinted during 5th Ed at which point they had changed the design layout of the Magic Cards. I thought that was the end of it, and it was purely visual, until I started finding other rules changes buried in the various books.

The following is a list of (English) 4th/5th Ed books which have been later reprinted with rules changes, that I know to exist. To the best of my knowledge, the Chaos Dwarf, Champions of Chaos, Realm of Chaos and Dogs of War books had no later reprints.

The actual date of the printing can vary depending on whether you look at the copyright date on the back cover, or that on the inside cover. And they don't always align.

Book	Inside Cover Date	Rear Cover Date
Empire	1993	1992
Empire	1996	1992
Orcs & Goblins	1993	1993
Orcs & Goblins	1996	1993
Chaos	1994	1994
Chaos	1996	1994
Undead	1994	1994
Undead	1998	1998
Dark Elves	1995	1995
Dark Elves	1996	1995
Bretonnia	1996	1996
Bretonnia	1999	1996
Lizardmen	1997	1996
Lizardmen	1999	1999
Dwarfs	1993	1993
Dwarfs	1996	1993
Skaven	1993	1993
Skaven	1996	1993
High Elves(5th)	1997	1997
High Elves(5th)	1999	1999

The numbers above are correct, at least for the books that I have, even if they don't make sense, e.g. the first Empire printing being 1992 or 1993 depending on which page you look at.

Various rule changes were then buried in these books. In most of the 1996 reprints, the typesetting also changes on the altered pages, so you can figure out where something might have updated. But for the Bretonnia/Lizardman/High Elf reprints, it's all the same typesetting. So I've had to use a bit of OCR and a bit of OCD eyeballing to ferret out the below rules changes and clarifications. It's entirely possible I've missed a few.

Book	Year	Rules
Chaos	1996	Section on Daemonic Save clarifies that a daemon riding a daemon mount gets +1 in the same manner as cavalry
Chaos	1996	Harpy leadership now correctly stated as 6 under Regiments (previously was 8 there, but 6 in Bestiary)
Chaos	1996	Chaos Dragon now lists the armour save rules from 5th (also in WD198 in late 4th)
Chaos	1996	Chaos Gorgon statline corrected on the Monsters page to reflect that in the Bestiary section
Orcs & Goblins	1996	Pump Wagon now explicitly states the snotlings don't follow mimic rules
Orcs & Goblins	1996	Warlords are now capped at 1
Orcs & Goblins	1996	The note highlighting the change in Savage Orc points cost from 5.5 (base 4th Rulebook) to 7.5 (Army Book) is now dropped
Empire	1996	Great Cannon points changed from 100 to 95 in Special Rules section and War Machines page
Empire	1996	War Altar no longer makes Empire troops within 6" immune to Psychology & Break tests
Undead	1998	Magic rules updated to 5th edition (various rules changes)
Undead	1998	Spell Commentaries updated to 5th edition (various rules changes)
Undead	1998	Adds 3 new characters from the Circle of Blood scenario
Undead	1998	Heinrich Kemmler points cost updated from 350 to 410
Undead	1998	Cloak of Mists and Shadows is now an Item effect, rather than a bound spell
Dark Elves	1996	Cauldron of Blood now states it and its guardians cannot be joined into a unit
Dark Elves	1996	Blood Banner cost corrected from 50 pts to 10 pts
Dark Elves	1996	Clarifies that the Corsair Sea Dragon Cloak unmodified 5+ Save does not apply if an attack denies an armour save
Dark Elves	1996	Corsair Champions now must be equipped with the Sea Dragon Cloak
Dark Elves	1996	Executioner Initiative now correctly stated as 6 under Army List (previously was 7 there, but 6 in Bestiary)
Dark Elves	1996	Clarifies that the Keeper of the Cauldron "Hag Queen" only has Witch Elf Champion stats
Dark Elves	1996	Also that the Keeper of the Cauldron cannot take magic items
Skaven	1996	Magic cards rewritten. Card restrictions are no longer listed, but are in 5th Ed Warhammer Magic. Mechanics changes for: Seer Stone, The Rod of Corruption, Liber Bubonicus
Skaven	1996	Clarifies that the Skaven unique combat rank bonus to leadership is also lost when attacked in the side or rear
Skaven	1996	Skavenslave Wounds now correctly stated as 1 under Bestiary (previously was 2 there, but 1 in Army List)
Skaven	1996	Vermin Lords lose access to Dark Magic
Dwarfs	1996	Clarifies that warmachines with the Rune of Disguise do actually need to be placed on the table
Dwarfs	1996	Anvil of Doom rules updated for 5th Edition Rebound/Destroy card behaviour
Dwarfs	1996	Flame Cannon range now correctly stated as 12 under Army List (previously was 24 there, but 12 in Bestiary)
Dwarfs	1996	Bugmans Tankard now correctly listed as 50 pts under Special Characters (previously was 25 there, but 50 on the card)
Bretonnia	1999	Hippogriff now correctly listed as 145 pts under Monsters (previously was 125 there)
Bretonnia	1999	Removes ambiguous wording from the Shield of Bohemond, roll to break the weapon, then roll to save
Bretonnia	1999	Morgiana's Mirror now correctly states it can be used to supplement Mental Duel, not Magic Duel
Bretonnia	1999	Clarifies that enemies turned into frogs via the Spiteful Glance spell do not award victory points
Lizardmen	1999	Clarifies that Skink Shamans have the aquatic trait as per other Skinks
Lizardmen	1999	Also that Skink Champions can be installed in a Stegadon crew
High Elves	1999	Clarifies that White Lions when using Lion Rampant or Lion Leaping can still attack as normal

There were other minor things altered, e.g. references to the Warhammer Battle Magic supplement were updated, typos fixed, references to specific Warhammer rulebook pages changed. So the above are only the changes which affect tabletop play.

I would be interested if anyone has any English language versions that are not listed above? (and are not the known single-edition books) There was a 1997 printing of the Undead book which I don't have, but I assume it had the 5th Ed rules, but maybe not the additional special characters at that stage.

As far as I know, there were no additional reprints of Skaven, Orcs & Goblins, Dwarfs or Wood Elves after the 1996 versions. But honestly there might have been. If anyone has seen post-1996 versions of these I'd be keen to know.