u/herald_of_woe

What of gay men? Am I the only one here?

I recently discovered this movement and feel cautiously inclined to support it. My view had already been shifting recently from “patriarchy is unfair” to “patriarchy is fully backwards” as I’ve reflected not only on how much crueler men have been throughout history, but on how consistently better women seem to be at handling power, authority, responsibility, and life in general… not to mention how frankly laughable, by comparison, men’s biological role in reproduction is.

But as a gay man, I’m really wondering how I fit into in this framework, if at all. Reading the materials I’ve found on gynarchy thus far, you’d think we don’t even exist. I believe this post is literally the first mention of us in this sub. It makes sense for us to be peripheral—but not mentioned even once? If gynarchy is ever to be more than a hypothetical, it needs to address our role/place. Yes, there are a lot more straight men, and hetero dynamics are obviously the central concern, but there are a lot of us too.

Maybe the answer is simply, “Support women, support the cause, and focus less on yourself because this isn’t about you.” Fair enough, but that leaves me with an uncomfortable question that doesn’t concern me personally, but does concern many other gay guys: What of those who want kids?

Are you okay with a male-male couple raising a child, assuming the child still has close female role models? Or do you envision a society that outright forbids male-male couples from being parents? (To avoid getting stuck on the fraught topic of surrogacy, let’s also assume I’m strictly talking adoption.)

I’m incredibly curious what y’all have to say about this, and I hope my post doesn’t read as combative. I think some gay men, like myself, are primed to support gynarchy. Others I fear will be uniquely resistant to the idea—more so than most men—and I don’t know what to do about that. Cheers to anyone who takes the time to read this!

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