u/horrorandmayhem

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I'll start off by saying this, I'm neither a kpop, kdrama or bollywood stan. Neither groups of media ever appealed to me that much. While I'm more of a metalhead and prefer to listen to bangladeshi folk music (when it comes to desi music) I can awknowledge that both bollywood and kpop have come out with some good music.

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What bothers me though...is the huge amount of hate I've seen desi girls get for being into kpop or kdramas. This hate seems to specifically come from desi men which I always found odd since kpop and kdramas have a lot of international fans from all across the world. And the girls who are targeted are often very young, which to me always seemed very predatory.

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The men who target these girls often hate on them for not preferring bollywood instead, which is very unfair. Most bollywood movies have a very "male gaze" vibe- the girls are often scantily clad and dance in a way I assume is supposed to titilate a male audience. Why would young teen girls find that appealing?

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Why would young girls want to look at zoomed in scenes of womens bodies moving and gyrating, specifically during a time when they are going thru puberty? Like that in itself makes zero sense. Teen years/ gradually moving from girlhood to womanhood isn't exactly an easy part of life. Not only is your body changing but you are also navigating several different aspects your own identity. Teen years are all about finding yourself and gaining an understanding of your own sexuality- so why would young girls want to look at content geared towards middle aged gooners?

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Young girls tend to be attracted to young boys- and that is completely normal. Kdramas and kpop usually try to appeal to a younger and more female audience. This includes everything from how the men look (they usually look much younger than bollywood actors), the image they show to the fandoms to how the camera captures the actors/singers movements and expressions. If you compare that to bollywood movies, the actors are often shown in a more "male power fantasy" gaze and often appear to be taking steroids to appeal to the mostly male audience. Bollywood have little to no consideration for a young female audience and their need for younger and "prettier" looking men.

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Bollywood movies in many ways is a sausage fest that doesnt appeal to a lot of young girls. And you cant get mad at young girls for having a different "gaze" than men. These are two different groups with different tastes in men.

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Bollywood movies also often times peer up a much older actor with a barely adult actress- which also is a MALE fantasy. Most young girls are not interested in gooning for grandpas and uncles- that simply isnt what majority of young girls want. If bollywood movies and other types of desi media want to appeal to a younger female audience- the age of the male actors will have to go down and their looks will have to be softer and "prettier". There should be a focus on less juiced up bulging muscles and more focus on a lean muscular build. And also, less facial hair and definitely no bushy beards. The actors should have no visible white hair, too much body hair or wrinkles.

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While I've never been into boybands I do remember having crushes as a teen girl- and it was 100% of the time on guys and fictional characters who were young/or appeared to be young. There was zero attraction towards men with white hair and bulging stereoid muscles.

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I also feel like an underlying reason to why young girls get so much hate for liking more female gaze media is bcuz it actively challenges the notion that girls should be married off to old men at a young age. When young desi girls minds their own business, fancying men their own age- it gives them a level of assertiveness that makes certain desi men rage. What these men want is for young girls to have no confidence, no preferences and no will of their own. They want a soulless puppet which is what I find so disgusting.

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Time and time again...I become the victim of (mostly) indian men whining day in and day out about the same shit. The sheer arrogance! The delusion! The fake crocodile tears about nothing in particular.

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According to this random LOSER:

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1. Indian men must be "mogging" everyone else and if you claim anything else then they'll stalk and harass you till the day you die. This same type of men will be the first ones to insult and demean desi women as if we exist to be punching bags. You dont want to feel ugly?? Yet you walk around calling everyone else ugly?? Maybe just maybe, you should be more humble.

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2. Indian women MUST awknowledge and suck up to random indian men. This makes even less sense- for some reason this guy is upset that the two indian girls on the show didnt care much for the indian guy. Like they didnt find him that special or attractive and therefore chose to ignore him. But why would indian girls have to give special treatment to indian men?? The girls are first of all not related to him- which means that there is no prior relationship between these two girls and the guy. Which also means that expecting them to care for him simply bcuz of his nationality is really weird. I feel like this is a very unfair way to villainize indian women for no reason whatsoever. Indian women are allowed to treat a random man as...just a random man. They dont have to date him if they dont want to. Claiming anything else is over-emotional NONSENSE.

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3. Indian men MUST be right about EVERYTHING. If there was an argument and everyone else agreed that the girl is right- then maybe just maybe she is in fact RIGHT. Why is it so hard for indian men to accept that they are wrong?? Why is there so much entitlement? If several people witness an argument and come to the same conclusion- then doesnt that make it even more valid? Or is everyone else retarded and you are the smartest person on the planet who "mogs everyone".

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And last but not least...why post this on r/bronzemovement if you want to empower all desi ppl? Isnt this very indian MALEcentric? Isnt r/bronzemovement a sub for all genders? Then why create a post that is so heavily focused on simping for some random indian dude on Love island??

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This problem exist on abcdesis too- it is yet another sub that is hijacked by mostly whiny indian men and the dumb simp/loser women who support them. But this creates an issue- and the issue is that it gives indian men a platform in which they can feel a fake sense of superiority over others. Bcuz when you are always right then you become a little bit too delusional- a phenomena that unfortunately has destroyed every desi-centric sub.

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This sub might be considered "desi man hating" but AT LEAST we are original, unlike the thousands of subs that exist just to simp for some obnoxious indian man who cant POSSIBLY BE WRONG😂😂

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I highly recommend all desi girls with even a teaspoon of confidence to always tell desi men that they are in fact wrong and need to shut up. Bcuz if you allow them to whine you create a society of whiny losers. Desi men specifically need to be told more often that they are in fact wrong- and that being highly emotional is UNACCEPTABLE.

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