Deepstops assist advise

Hello enthusiasts ,

I'm running an automated live system of about ~70–75% win rate, lots of small wins, positive in aggregate, the entries themselves aren't the problem, Im pretty satisfied with the build over all , besides the low end.

So... the losers can run deep before they resolve, and a small number of them never come back and do the most damage. The edge depends on sitting through drawdown, but the occasional non-recovery is brutal.

What I've already tested (so "just use a stop" won't help):

  • Hard stop at −20% ROI (on a 10x position): net negative. It cut a huge number of trades that would have recovered — bled more than it saved.
  • Drawdown distribution: even among trades that breach −40% ROI, about 53% still return to a small loss or a profit. So any flat "cut at −X%" throws away more eventual winners than catastrophes it prevents.

So a fixed price-based stop is a trap that ive discovered over multiple sesions. The deep drawdowns are mostly noise the rest killers, and by the rest I've narrowed it down to about 4-5%.

The big question how can i mittigate the deep loses? The methodology used:

  • Time-based exit (cut if not recovered within N bars) instead of a price stop
  • Vol-expansion / regime filter — only bail when the regime that breaks the recovery assumption shows up
  • Portfolio-level heat cap instead of per-trade stops
  • Size for the drawdown + fractional Kelly, just accept the DD
  • A cheap tail hedge / trend overlay

To sum up, I've tried lots of options for the bot itself, and the current conclusion is just not run it 24/7 but in specific times of the day and for a short while.

Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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u/humannm48 — 7 days ago

Deepstops assist advise

Hello enthusiasts ,

I'm running an automated live system of about ~70–75% win rate, lots of small wins, positive in aggregate, the entries themselves aren't the problem, Im pretty satisfied with the build over all , besides the low end.

So... the losers can run deep before they resolve, and a small number of them never come back and do the most damage. The edge depends on sitting through drawdown, but the occasional non-recovery is brutal.

What I've already tested (so "just use a stop" won't help):

  • Hard stop at −20% ROI (on a 10x position): net negative. It cut a huge number of trades that would have recovered — bled more than it saved.
  • Drawdown distribution: even among trades that breach −40% ROI, about 53% still return to a small loss or a profit. So any flat "cut at −X%" throws away more eventual winners than catastrophes it prevents.

So a fixed price-based stop is a trap that ive discovered over multiple sesions. The deep drawdowns are mostly noise the rest killers, and by the rest I've narrowed it down to about 4-5%.

The big question how can i mittigate the deep loses? The methodology used:

  • Time-based exit (cut if not recovered within N bars) instead of a price stop
  • Vol-expansion / regime filter — only bail when the regime that breaks the recovery assumption shows up
  • Portfolio-level heat cap instead of per-trade stops
  • Size for the drawdown + fractional Kelly, just accept the DD
  • A cheap tail hedge / trend overlay

To sum up, I've tried lots of options for the bot itself, and the current conclusion is just not run it 24/7 but in specific times of the day and for a short while.

Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

reddit.com
u/humannm48 — 7 days ago