Acnologia and Dragon Gods/Calamity Bloods… "¿Equals?" Let's find out.

Acnologia and Dragon Gods/Calamity Bloods… "¿Equals?" Let's find out.

https://preview.redd.it/0zjh1um3ywuh1.jpg?width=1813&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da5415d977e3a364ac26cc4962566a8af8319990

People disagree with Acnologia and Dragon Gods being equal, focusing on the "Arguably".

"Each of them is arguably as strong as Acnologia" and while I understand the reasoning I don't think Elefsaria is lying here.

Don't get me wrong, he's a fucking liar, wdym the reward is "anything you can imagine" but you can't kill 6 lizards? (In comparison with the reward, no disrespect to the DGods)

But the point is neither Elefsaria nor DGods or Calamity Bloods knew about SBT or "SBT Acnologia".

https://preview.redd.it/lpe9vzi5ywuh1.jpg?width=1973&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d82e4c09bfd779404797180f091ae1770d5525df

They knew the Acnologia from 400 years ago.

"You're saying we're 400 years in the future?"

"what happened to Acnologia?"

"Even we couldn't take down Acnologia when we banded together…"

And even then all of them lost.

But statements are never enough so let's look at Acnologia's feats 400 years after defeating the Calamity Bloods (since we don't have feats from that era), and also at the DGods feats in comparison to find out, how "equal" they're

Keep in mind the Acnologia that defeated the CB's should be MUCH WEAKER compared to the feats we have to look at, I mean, duh it's 400 years later.

https://preview.redd.it/2hglqct8ywuh1.jpg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d167d27a314cda0ce3843eddb7039277e06d7a9e

Acnologia blows Tenrou island.

https://preview.redd.it/9tbgk9caywuh1.jpg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d3eca5a52476dfd319ae09dfd8c52e120962ed7b

Acnologia's arrival to Tartaros arc

https://preview.redd.it/vdf1dlucywuh1.jpg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f4f56cc8f79d8acdcfbe4b0dc7ad53e883a77586

Acnologia tanks Igneel's roar (thanks to another user I also have multiple pieces of evidence for "prime Igneel" being the top 2 in-verse behind Acnologia=)

https://preview.redd.it/brp2uysfywuh1.jpg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=067fe7bc852b6e3ecf9813abbc7f6541e6dabdce

Acnologia kills Igneel, this has to be by far his most impressive preSBT feat imo

https://preview.redd.it/8v9oyyhkywuh1.jpg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a4481ee1e19a4f82bc32aad8fa7addd972de924e

Acnologia finishes Igneel

https://preview.redd.it/3c95pdkmywuh1.jpg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fcc99ed0ae335c13c2ece2a2439e86f15e611c63

God Serena is out. He was to OP for his own good, even after bringing him back weakened it was Gildarts business.

That would be all for Acnologia feats pre-SBT

Dragon Gods feats

https://preview.redd.it/f982ii0uywuh1.jpg?width=1919&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=debf1577d7eb71b0a61d6a8f902c0816a3d350c8

Merc is like a Golden Retriever, he doesn't really have a lot of fighting feats, the most impressive to me was "water in the sky and water underground" at the same time

https://preview.redd.it/ankyyjqwywuh1.png?width=2116&format=png&auto=webp&s=6dd55bc73e14ff5b0cf51a2c8f61a584bb415096

Also this, but it ain't his feat, lol

https://preview.redd.it/lwrqx57yywuh1.jpg?width=2198&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1bf64a66ed5c7f5c08f8ea794b918c5d30aaf02

VSBW has Elefsaria at fucking universal for beating Dogra 100 years ago, I don't even want to explain how wrong is that.

https://preview.redd.it/wguumrx2zwuh1.jpg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b1ad28c747a27d795f09a27db0bc4755b0f46ebc

Dogra durability is above Selene who "lost" in human form against that same move against Suzaku.

Furthermore they couldn't even hurt Dogra until the orbs were broken, similar with Aldoron, his seeds and Natsu not being able to see Aldoron's attacks.

https://preview.redd.it/c7li20p8zwuh1.jpg?width=2844&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bb8c770336b9d27330ff98da2f44c1f1c8cbb382

Viernes "The sky it's turning gold!" self-explanatory.

https://preview.redd.it/8kk181tbzwuh1.jpg?width=2293&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c56900d81b334844432dbb72a98ae1dd2b2d48b1

Selene. Selene.

I always share the one flooding Ermina from Elentir or the one making the moon bigger, but I also like this one even if it is a lot more abstract (the moon breaks like glass)

https://preview.redd.it/hxfe7uolzwuh1.jpg?width=1842&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4fb403086f18701127efc569554c9ec04cf5a064

Aldoron's continental spell

https://preview.redd.it/tr10gu2rzwuh1.jpg?width=1595&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42aa7f0f5380f022e72170bdca0ff59d783f336e

Levia "sucks" Laxus soul, (yeah, saved by Wraith, still impressive magic)

https://preview.redd.it/hp55iectzwuh1.jpg?width=1971&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=676d22a281cc8fc61634fd5d681af0c4945d08bb

Eternal Flare by Faris (this was the move Acnologia did after eating SBT)

https://preview.redd.it/33aoedtwzwuh1.jpg?width=1938&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2cc3beb4984422599bd4faae4c3f8420d291c324

Ignia "absorbs" Faris/a collaboration? idc

https://preview.redd.it/9pfgj0200xuh1.jpg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=59708c8e7111e8fde5e20fcf441848248a2a985d

Ignia nosells the same move that defeated Acnologia but not under the same circumstances but not under the same circumstances (thank god this happened I don't want to see that ugly ass giant rainbow bs never again)

https://preview.redd.it/m72bw0s20xuh1.jpg?width=1919&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=22da5174c362a92da306b8683d31731b21471e22

Ignia's sun

Conclusion

I feel like DGods have done more than enough to be worthy of the claim "arguably as strong as Acnologia" not only from 400 years ago, but as far as pre SBT era.

Some DGods have even better feats than Acnologia (up until Acnologia eating SBT, with that feat not included) but they would still lose against him because of the nature of the matchup, they use magic, and magic just ain't going to make it against Acnologia.

Also I feel it's worth taking into consideration Elefsaria wasn't talking as a powerscaler, he was probably referring to how dragons are an unstopabble force humanity can't really deal with and the amount of destruction they can cause, and as I said, I feel almost every single one of the Dragon Gods have shown feats on the same lvl or even superior to pre SBT Acnologia.

So makes sense for Elefsaria to say that, when the Acnologia they knew was a much weaker version.

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u/kimikoboombap — 5 days ago

Acnologia "FINAL"

I keep reading "Acnologia was defeated with power of friendship" and that's an atrocious way to simplify things.

I'm going to divide this in three sections.

  1. Pre SBT

  2. Acnologia vs Fiore

  3. Acnologia vs 7DS inside SBT

https://preview.redd.it/hzr9dqbrovuh1.jpg?width=2162&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cff3b89b0884a20ad9deb20f28515c5d672e0402

Anna defines SBT as "Not a power. More like a concept-"

https://preview.redd.it/kafb5i3vovuh1.jpg?width=2147&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e33485d6e540af0d2d5fd8cd1c45f4929eb52f2

Acnologia tanks, devours and breaks through SBT

https://preview.redd.it/hq0pudqyovuh1.jpg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00ef30f852d6dc84c39d4b31bd2b092496532240

Acquires "the magic of time… The power of time"

https://preview.redd.it/r5138q32pvuh1.jpg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e28a08147d577846637607b0ac1fb77fad815205

Eternal flare

https://preview.redd.it/6ze84246pvuh1.jpg?width=2135&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=864bf2dbcb56cff9576009bc005313a96693903d

"Absorbs the DS into SBT"

He's in the ocean but that doesn't matter he still can target the DS in land and send them to "his world"

https://preview.redd.it/9kl6lmzdpvuh1.jpg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=056e12163afcb534ae943c07acee48d32b868621

First and second reasons Acnologia lost.

  1. Too much power made him "loss control" "it caused him to split in two… a flesh Acnologia and a spirit Acnologia"

  2. He was holding back because he needed the DS alive to stabilize his magic. "He wants their magic to circulate through the SBT, to stabilize his magic"

Acnologia vs Fiore

https://preview.redd.it/2jyse5skpvuh1.jpg?width=2132&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=879e37fbcdf543ba4857e2e7ff36ced6199b1e30

"El plan"

https://preview.redd.it/25ajg3pxpvuh1.jpg?width=2133&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=439bc9f141673ffc054aba62a94d8b6698e87445

"the flesh" follows it's instincts.

https://preview.redd.it/a2ao73f2qvuh1.jpg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fcbd7cf11ec7f190d2e0212cbf88057513d374fb

https://preview.redd.it/n37na774qvuh1.jpg?width=2074&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c3a7d6e2fc006146ed68bbe7c37fedba2b29e9f

I've seen people confused on why Erza's swords managed to push Acnologia, those are real swords.

You can think of it as the same way that devil from Black Clover from the elf arc was.

Erza also has "magical" swords, or swords with Enchants but her magic is re-equip, it's a dimensional storage with tons of real armors and weapons.

Regardless, I'm pretty sure Acnologia was never stated to be immune to magic, he can eat all kinds of magic, with no trait, has super high resistances, but as I said, I'm pretty sure he was never stated as immune. "Magic doesn't work on me" is far too vague to claim immunity.

https://preview.redd.it/rr37h51hqvuh1.jpg?width=2076&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7f03945a8b2a1cc31506b3467d925b0987c1e719

Acnologia (a dragonslayer who lost control and became a true dragon) shares the same weakness all dragonslayers have, motion sickness on vehicles.

Here we haven't even touched SBT and we have our third and fourth reasons of why Acnologia was defeated.

The 3rd one, motion sickness (may sound dumb, but Natsu literally can't fight in vehicles, I'm saying Natsu because it's the one we see the most but it's the same for the rest)

https://preview.redd.it/buuk9o5qqvuh1.jpg?width=2074&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c386677c744f763f0bfd15277c65bd0944825cb

4th one is the mages of the whole continent and Fairy Sphere, a "spell that stops time."

https://preview.redd.it/dxwiornuqvuh1.jpg?width=2131&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e383783acb4074822af95ca44967412efa5b54d

I had people looking weird at me when I said that, but how would you explain a 7 year time-skip without aging a single day?

SBT fight

https://preview.redd.it/uj2agd42rvuh1.jpg?width=2137&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bdddca9bd4403d201862f8a7326eca83259f9f81

I haven't really seen people talking about what I'm going to say but, Acnologia seems to have won a similar power to Zeref FH, with just devouring SBT.

"I have gained space-time magic from the SBT"

"I will rise past the limits of space and time and destroy the world"

https://preview.redd.it/hqdhlyr7rvuh1.jpg?width=2067&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f1217c2dc68b08a7d1b3ed9121a884a228182af1

And as I said, Acnologia needed the DS alive to stabilize himself, idk where the idea of "the 7 DS scaling to Acnologia" came from (and if someone can point to some evidence that says otherwise, it's welcome) but HELL NO.

https://preview.redd.it/krrw1mxdrvuh1.jpg?width=2079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=711162f0bfee0e312e6c22518fea84b2d44f066c

Natsu pisses off Acnologia and...

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This may be the first instance of the fight where Acnologia doesn't hold back out of anger, he's also surprised "My attacks! Why didn't…"

Wendy enchants DS magic into Natsu, which is not new from here.

We had Wendy enchanting multiple stuff multiple times, we had Natsu eating Laxus lightning back in Tenrou, we had also Sting and Future Rogue with eachothers powers.

So the 5th reason would be, it looks ugly af, but it wasn't an "asspull", it happened several times before, it was established.

https://preview.redd.it/w1hpnnhorvuh1.jpg?width=2140&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1ad9dd62545f40f354241857ed176b8d32c9f3e

https://preview.redd.it/ql7jkvcqrvuh1.jpg?width=2144&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=54c756afc01c6c512b66e09b7187f903ebdc20f2

And that's the moment where Fairy Sphere amped up by the mages from the continent kicks in "My body… I can't move…"

And he panicks and tries to block with the arm Igneel got back in Tartaros arc.

So the whole situation adds up, and he fails to block Natsu attack.

https://preview.redd.it/vaiijsr2svuh1.jpg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ce1d0a220c4078e3eec8eaeadb959f37fb8c281a

Attack still strong enough to completely erradicate him.

(Minus the other arm and Faris, duh)

So quick recap on how was Acnologia defeated.

1. Unstable, "spirit" and "flesh" separated.

2. Holding back, he needed the DS alive to stabilize his magic.

3. Motion sickness on vehicles, well known DS weakness.

4. Fairy Sphere amped up by the mages from the continent, FS that can interact with "Time" somehow and also was effective in the past.

5. The "rainbow flames/7 DS flames" may look ugly (may is an understatement, I hate ts) but enchanting/absorbing powers from other slayers has always been a thing in FT.

6. With all that, at the moment of the attack, Acnologia panicked (not because of Natsu magic, but because of the whole situation) and while having his movement restricted he tried to block with the arm he forgot he lost, thus not blocking anything and dying.

BTW not denying some sort of Power of Friendship factor, every shonen has that, but I feel people is blind on purpose with this one.

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u/kimikoboombap — 5 days ago

New player here, what's the deal with these mf's

I'm playing melee build, shield+sword, do I have to hit 5 parries in a row or what is going on?

Also I've heard "if you can't beat them just run, you're faster than most enemies"

I guess, this guy is part of the exceptions, he follows you even at double jump heights, it's ridiculous.

Skill issue or are they hard opponents for melee early? (shouldn't be the case, I almost forgot to mention but I'm having trouble even being 2 lvl's above them)

Ed: also forgot to mention, I went melee because I just wanted to get the basics of the rest of the game before messing with the builds, I'm not attached to the playstyle or anything so any recommendations are welcome, I'm lvl 17.

u/kimikoboombap — 1 month ago

"Who wins Erza or Natsu" (Spoiler is the cover of new chapter)

Obviously not making any claims, just joking.

But I died laughing.

"Mashima hierarchy pure essence"

I know some people get mad at that, understandable, I'll just have fun

u/kimikoboombap — 1 month ago

Base Natsu scaling 100yq (TDKF not included)

To talk about Base Natsu scaling in 100yq we're going to have to take a look at some other feats and some statements but the last ones ain't going to have much weight on my argument.

Don't worry, I'm not going to do a chainscale from hell, we are just going to look at different feats to see where scale other characters and where would be Base Natsu for the especific "best feat" (in Base) he has imho.

Enough yap let's go

https://preview.redd.it/ugmhx0z5vqgh1.jpg?width=1813&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=85591d9c2b5c023fa70d04433b4465eeb2c67b87

We're not going to do here the "are or aren't equal to Acnologia" because of the "arguably". We don't care about that (for this post, maybe I'll do one about that later), from here we take "Dragon Gods introduced as somehow equals amongs themselves."

Moving on

Selene makes the Moon BIG

https://preview.redd.it/pj7mytl9vqgh1.jpg?width=2072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f7f6558b847aaeef4234041a4b44cfe8f186f63c

I don't think I have to make much of an argument here, no?

If you want a calc:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DemonGodMitchAubin/Fairy_Tail:_Selene_makes_the_moon_bigger

"Selene made the moon 948x larger

Change of GBE = (1.1392224e+34 Joules)-(1.24e+29 Joules) = 2.72 Yottatons (Planet level+)"

Now… Does Human form Selene scale to that?

I guess depends on your criteria, but the feat is still there, no doubt about that.

I don't have a problem with her scaling to that (in ap/dura terms I'm saying) because that was "passive", she got "serious" and the Moon became big kinda as a "collateral damage". I feel it's logic to think she also has "passive" planetary durability (ain't "durability" also "passive"?) lol

Who scales to that?

https://preview.redd.it/0auhamcivqgh1.jpg?width=3110&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8ba3f40d378b32ed3eb3928947fec36ba9bbadd0

Obviously Suzaku, I'm just going to talk a little bit about him, but he's not the "goal" of the post.

"Georg's power far surpasses mine own"

Aaand

https://preview.redd.it/ep3qoc5nvqgh1.jpg?width=2078&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=728d751a1bfa3187682e8c012f4e76471dd4cb90

Yeah, no comments on that one, just a bloodstain.

For the people that maybe doesn't know, Dragon form > human form. We don't have "hybrid" form… YET.

"You have it wrong… I did fight seriously to an extent. In my human form, I was NO MATCH FOR YOU. I will admit that."

0 doubts. Suzaku scales to Human Form Selene.

Suzaku vs Natsu Rematch

https://preview.redd.it/8vwn8jkrvqgh1.jpg?width=3034&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=844ab877d8723f224edd3d070773ccd4633d4057

I'm pretty sure this is NOT Base Natsu (the first time he "stops" Suzaku Blade in the rematch he says something like "this fire are scales of a fire dragon King")

Regardless, Dogra Arc Natsu survives the same attack that "defeated" Human Form Selene. (I know, this is not Base, just a little "interlude")

Selene about Dragon Gods…

https://preview.redd.it/hkkp1ejzvqgh1.jpg?width=904&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7ca1127c9c16d196e069bc96373bf7cd870782cc

Just a reminder. No "arguably" this time.

And finally...

Base Natsu matches Viernes Dragon Form

https://preview.redd.it/qoxnbxe7wqgh1.jpg?width=1877&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4df7d143a2a023355542225e21ec4a6a66c41e27

Now what?

Does anyone have Human form Selene > Dragon form Viernes? Me neither.

So, Human form Selene has a planetary feat.

And Human form Selene is weaker than Dragon form Viernes.

And Base Natsu "counters" a "punch" from Dragon form Viernes. Displaying a somehow similar power lvl. (I mean, if he was weaker he would have been crushed...)

So... Base Natsu is stronger than Human Form Selene?

Do I need to continue?

Looks like Base Natsu... Planetary

But I guess I have to…

https://preview.redd.it/sj0ghihfwqgh1.jpg?width=1930&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ea18b50a026ad70d80761581af7ea9764ff5f27

Just in case, just because I know.

That "counter" was before getting their magic. The "I ain't through yet!" page is the very next after the "punch clash"

So yeah, no "shonen troops" or "power of friendship" or "he was in the middle of an emotional boost" or whatever other excuses I've been reading every single time people doesn't have a real counter-argument besides "No, because I don't like that" when it comes to FT.

Mandatory

https://preview.redd.it/do6s9zclwqgh1.jpg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=70368e633795040d9d839fb7b27aa5ba9cbd16e6

Fun enough "villains" should be excluded from this, but this is FT, no way Mashima kills all his charaters, we all know it. (I said fun, but it is kinda sad how low the stakes are, anyway)

TLDR: Fuck WED and Etherion, folks don't like Cont/Multicont Base Natsu?

Well then… I hope you enjoy Planetary LOL

Almost forgot…

I'm not trying to start a debate, I came, I shit and I leave. Debating, especially here...

https://preview.redd.it/k8dzagcqwqgh1.png?width=1063&format=png&auto=webp&s=c86657501f56957065ce62a08b54d8719b7fa8a6

https://preview.redd.it/7vxmw1ltwqgh1.png?width=940&format=png&auto=webp&s=af5077b14bf16e7f6a2e896bac582e9891608bcf

https://preview.redd.it/b6peuboywqgh1.png?width=1066&format=png&auto=webp&s=45448c381e5d972d40ee3b5b5fb46b3dde995fa7

Anyway, Natsu rn is infront of Ignia and I believe he's still in Base, so get ready th-

https://preview.redd.it/197we1s3xqgh1.jpg?width=739&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d575397db481f732caae7d1b8ba2e77f61dfeb57

https://i.redd.it/5g4d0g05xqgh1.gif

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u/kimikoboombap — 3 months ago

Bleach fans, are this statements true?

I’m not saying anything; I just wish they would maintain the same attitude. Instead of applying a double standard to practically every verse and then playing the victim.

ED: Just to clarify, I don't want to/I'm not trying to downplay or downscale Bleach, I just want equal standards, not only for FT, but for all the verses.

u/kimikoboombap — 3 months ago

Can someone please Calc this Erza vs Kyoka fight?

https://preview.redd.it/dsh770wkk28h1.jpg?width=3150&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b78beed315c9d800699bdb6618744537c9824e7

I've read rule 7 and I've seen some guy at comicvine that has done the calc like a year ago so idk if it's cool sharing the link if it's from another platform but just in case I won't.

Any way I kinda disagree and the guy himself didn't look confident (he admits "I feel like I did something wrong tbh 😭but it might be that big of a number.") because the result is like MFTL+ and small planet.

But he calcs for 20 mins and the timer goes down at least one time -3 mins and the fight ends with ~1min left.

So, can someone please calc this with 16 mins multiplying her strenght assuming Erza/Kyoka start at average human speed/AP, and another one with lightning speed/Mountain lvl AP?

Thanks in advance sorry if it's too boring or simple I just know my limitations, I can't do math.

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u/kimikoboombap — 4 months ago

Erza vs Irene is NOT close

This is going to be current Erza vs "composite" Irene. Why "composite" you ask?

Well, since she herself tells Wendy "It's hard to say "alive" when she asks if she is, she also tells her "it's just her personality" and later told Selene "She's already dead" and even reincarnated in Edolas where there is NO MAGIC POWER I believe it's safe to say there's no more "if's"; "Ghost" Irene ain't a boost to "alive" Irene (imho) and her feats shouldn't translate to "Irene prime"

With that said, for this post I'm using "max power Irene" with both swords and 100yq feats included vs current Erza; I'm that confident.

Now let's begin by taking a deep look at Irene's feats first, shall we?

Acnologia vs Irene

https://preview.redd.it/4sd33zc7hq7h1.png?width=4691&format=png&auto=webp&s=6d12383053b1b9e6505215c5ce4ede360afa7680

Not much to say, hardly a battle. Irene enchants part of the atmosphere does no dmg to Acno who raises his hand and whatever that was, which Irene dodges, and then performs the secret Joestar technique.

You may be wondering TF is doing Ikaruga here and well it's going to make an appearance later but funnily enough I believe Irene has NO COUNTER for dimensional slashes so... It was an Erza v Irene post and we start strong as you see lol, the Universe One pages are because that's the only spell someone somehow can twist into dimensional manipulation/interaction but as you can see three top tiers including Irene herself STATING she's enchanting the land.

Next Irene "fight"

Mavis vs Irene

https://preview.redd.it/6k2jf73ahq7h1.png?width=3554&format=png&auto=webp&s=a01448a8dffc9ed357afe1ccdcb317f259e4cbcf

Obviously not a "fight" per se but well since we don't have much more from Irene we have to grab everything we can, no?

There's not much to say about this, 5 fat L's for Irene in this one, how so? Well see, the first one is tricking Irene with the fake Zeref, the second one it's obviously the fake Mavis body infront of Irene eyes, third one for when Irene tries to intimidate FT Guild to be completely outclassed, fourth Irene enchants the Berserk army and Makarov cleans with Fairy Law a spell created by Mavis from the spell Law taught to Mavis by Zeref (this one is a stretch but still not lying though) and five is the promise to capture Mavis to clean up your mess just to ignore that for the sake fighting your daughter. Dayum son. Also who's that in the corner already hurt before their fight?...

Let's move on to more Irene stuff, this time in 100yq

Wendy Belserion

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Ok so I've seen some guy cut half of the 2nd page with a different translation instead of "you're.." was "this is 1% of my power.." next to page 4 as implying Irene separation enchant AoE was 1% of her power, nothing else to say about it, the page before and the next panel obviously debunk that, the real panel for the AoE is "this is my power" is cut because it's a nude and after doing that Irene says "My remaining magic was also used up after that" so yeah, idk why people think that sep ench is an instawin card but it is not, it's an AoE the size arguably smaller than Natsu sneezing (I'll add this in the comments) with the caster in the middle, Erza has been dodging stuff like that before her real fight and it's extremely easy to argue Erza is much faster now, in fact I'm gonna do it later.

Time to debunk "There's no evidence of Erza/Wendy being hurt/low on magic/tired"

What is this then?

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Erza fought 2 Spriggans; Ajeel and Neinhart, with 3 Historias at the same time (now you understand TF Ikaruga) and those dots on the bottom are all soldiers Erza was fighting in both base and berserk. As for Wendy well you can read it by yourself: Age scratch "the total amount of physical pai they had received up until that specific point in her life" I'd say that's solid evidence, now, where's yours of Erza/Wendy being in "optimal conditions"?

Is it finally Erza vs Irene time? Well Yes, yes but actually no, not before we take a quick look to Erza stopping Natsu "END awaken" and Gray Devil Slayer both bloodlusted (not even lying or exaggerating lol)

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Not much to say about this one "speedblitz" if you want but bloodlusted = tunnel vision imo, still the AoE's were big and Erza appeared there outta nowhere from the last panel we've seen her which is her in front of Makarov.

AND NOOOW Erza v Irene

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Not much to say before the dragon transformation some hits here and there the most impressive stuff Irene flower with swords and Wendy DF hurts Irene.

Remember the separation enchantment? Ain't that explosion mid conversation arguably faster and bigger? Did it hit Erza, did she dodge? Hard to tell but I'm going with she dodged since the next panel she keeps dodging, then there's the dragon transformation which wasn't speed dif but power dif (obviously Erza with her No-armor armor lol) fails to block and she say's "SHE BROKE MY BONES"

Time for everybody's favorite:

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I believe most of the wank for Irene comes from here, specifically Irene saying "I HAVE THE POWER TO TRANSCEND IT ALL" which is either a NLF or Irene being ignorant/lying/pretty optimistic to say the least.

Why do I say that? Well let's make this easy, what is "bigger": ¿transcending a dimension or TRANSCENDING ALL? Why the question? You see since Selene is the Dragon that transcends Dimensions, both stated and proven by the fact she moves as she pleases herself or almost anybody for instance through dimensions I believe it's safe to say that at least for Selene that's NOT A NLF something VERY important since Irene asks Selene to open a gate to another dimension SOMETHING IRENE HERSELF CAN'T DO (Chapter 121 "Two Wishes" FT100YQ) so Irene sage Dragon "Transcending ALL" can't touch dimensions huh and can you see how funny this is? It all comes back to IKARUGA LMFAO

But then if that's not enought let's take a look at the rest of Irene claims:

"Not even a last vestige of your existence will remain, Erzaaaa!" Not True

"There's no way that a mere human... (Obviously Erza is not mere but a human its a "mere existance" next to a dragon, this shouldn't need clarification but I know your moves)… can stop the meteorite!" Not True

THAT FACE Completely True

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"To do such a thing… impossible" Even when it is in fact so possible it indeed just happened in front of your eyes Irene? Seriously?

Safe to say you're gonna have a hard time to proving Irene CAN ENCHANT/TRANSCEND ALL

You know what is true though? Even if it hurts, because it is how it is with THE TRUTH which is Erza in fact destroying the meteorite and slicing Irene WITH ZA HANDOOO both stated and you can see it with your own eyes.

Before we move on ¿TF is Natsu doing there? Well let's talk about Wendy's buffs. How much do Wendy's buffs boost? Tricky question, hard to answer, that's what Natsu does here, that's the only "official multiplier" we got for any buff really and that's DRAGON FORCE. Does anyone in the room think Wendy buffs > DF? If so, respectable it's a different opinion, we don't know the truth, I personally disagree and I think there's no way the power-ups Natsu (because he's the one saying it) shows with DF are close to the buffs Wendy do. So my theory is Wendy buffs aren't "x times" but instead "+%" so for example basic enchant would be +25%, +50% for high enchant and +75% for master enchant , who knows but 100% would already be a x2 which is the lowball for DF and I honestly don't think they're on the same lvl. Anyway that's just a theory but I genuinely believe the "stat boost buffs" Wendy applied to Erza at the beginning of the fight was already surpassed by base Erza current stats.

Time to look at the Erza stuff starting with Laxus vs Erza

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It's honestly pretty much self-explanatory I believe but still here we go:

YES I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS "HIGH ENCHANT: FIRE DRAGON'S FLAMES" > Wendy's enchantment in the fight vs Irene (no-name-dragonslayer-enchant-whoknowsmustbeenthewind) with her last bits of magic power. (scroll up to pic 8 if you need another refresh)

NO I'M NOT SAYING ERZA'S ENCHANTMENTS > WENDY'S 100YQ ENCHANTMENTS

Yes, it is again necessary to clarify because I had this exact same words twisted before.

For the battle, not much to say besides THEY LOOKED EQUAL

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And why is that important/relevant?

Well you see, here's Laxus stating "A power I got by chance during Alvarez war and it FINALLY BECAME MINE" meaning now red lightning is stronger so also probably faster. Here we can see Laxus OUTSPEEDING his own red lightning, this happens before the last pic I believe chronologically speaking but the post is about Erza so the High Enchantment had priority.

Erza vs Misaki

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Oh boy DIMENSIONS you already know the drill right? IKARUGA?

Jokes aside (and let me tell y'all I'm having so much fun rn) let's be a little bit, just a little bit I promise of a semantic Dhead, ok? So there's Gray right there talking about Laxus vs Wildarts and I mean I'm not gonna ask, I'm gonna preach: WILDARTS WOULD WIN 1.000.000/1.000.000 TIMES THAT FIGHT. I know that's a hard to swallow pill for most, and tbh I can barely make an argument but here it is:

I am me, and you are you, because he is HIM. Easy enough, right? LOL

Anyway the point being made here is if one is Misaki = Laxus // Erza = Gildarts,the losers, the winners duh

(all that part was unserious, just in case)

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Just worth mention "I've used this power only once before whilst sparing with Kirin. Consider this an honor"

Why is that relevant? Well you see, I've been told "AlL oF dIaboLos MembErs aRe EQual" and I feel I don't have to tell you how much I disagree with that, especially when you try to use that to wank Irene because of the Haku fight, so I'm gonna play your game, your game says Diabolos are equal? Mine says MISAKI/KIRIN/SUZAKU> the rest. It's not that I don't have ranking for those 3 but it's irrelevant for this topic. Anyway keep all this in mind we jumping to the next one to end that wild claim.

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So here it is, the end of Misaki fight gives us ANOTHER instance of Erza Enchanting, this time Heavenly Body Magic (Jellal's) and also Erza casting Adamantine shield while being unable to move. I would say that shield can probably block, without breaking or moving, Irene's claw that broke Erza's bones.

And you 100% have noticed "The White Tiger Dragon is immensely fast. IN FACT, MY SPEED CAN BE COMPARED TO LIGHT" and also shutting down before it even starts some "b-but was Wendy with Irene who…" no tf not, "NO MATTER HOW FAST YOU ARE, YOU CAN'T ESCAPE A CAGE OF WIND!!!"

So yeah, not only you can't claim Irene scale to that speed and honestly that fight does nothing in this scaling post since it was won "entirely through your magic power" (scroll up to 3rd pic)

And on the contrary playing your "diabolos" members equals with Misaki being clearly stronger and faster than Haku and Erza speedblitzing her, leaves Irene in a pretty compromised spot, but don't worry we're gonna keep going ignoring that fact.

Moving on to some ALCHEMY

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You 100% know what's coming, don't you? OOH YEAH that's right babe ∀פ∩ɹ∀ʞI

What's this fight relevant for?

NEW UPGRADED BLUMENBLATT; HUGE DESTRUCTION CAPACITY aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand that's it.

Erza vs Ennie

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More battles in... DIMENSIONS -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- Iʞ∀ɹ∩פ∀

More "confirmation" Alchemy > Magic

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End of the battle with a tricky speedblitz since looks like it's Ennie's one but it was Erza, when? Well, who knows.

And now, finally, the main reason of them all

Erza vs Motherglare

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Erza doing Grand Chariot WHILE MOVING! Crazy ain't it? Can you imagine Irene doing FUCKEN SOMETHING instead of mouth-breathing while her meteorite falls and after that while Erza is coming for her ass?

And the absolute end of the agenda

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Living proof not only Erza CAN ENCHANT WITH NATSU FLAMES HER SWORD BUT ALSO HAS A DRAGON SLAYER ARMOR I don't even want to elaborate at this point, just wait a few weeks/months the matchups are done Erza is going to beat Motherglare alone (I mean it's not guaranteed but I believe she's gonna do it…) As for Motherglare is probably gonna surpass the highest AP attack Irene has performed (Deus Sema) likely as soon as she roars. In what is this assumption based? You see those guys are the Elite Troops from Ignia, the CALAMITY BLOOD Dragons, one of which recently clapped Laxus with no concept of a diff (yeah via hax, caught of guard, doesn't change the fact it happened) so yeah, they're presented like this big deal and last roar I've seen was Igneel's human form, I'm not saying It's gonna be as strong as Igneel one but I mean I don't like theorizing that much so let's stop right here.

CONCLUSION:

In the end, did we make it past Ikaruga or not?

Erza is faster, stronger, has more feats, more hax, more resistances, more stamina and more statements that she can actually back up. The only thing Irene wins is at TOTAL MAGIC POWER which is only one of the multiple factors that determine a battle in FT.

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u/kimikoboombap — 4 months ago

"Fairy tail vs bleach, which verse do you scale higher and why?" I Gotchu'

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So while I was cooking some Fairy Tail scaling I saw a post from yesterday with that question and the debate of the anime 12 dimensions, stop using that, as you can see Selene was flexing a similar feat as the one and only big feat every Bleach fan holds for dear life. (Looking at you Senjumaru)

Raise your hand if your think Selene is the strongest character in FT

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I can keep going but I'll let everybody assimilate all that.

I forgot to mention, Selene feat was IN HUMAN FORM

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Or...

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u/kimikoboombap — 4 months ago