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Image 1 — Barnabas Tharmr vs Zenos yae Galvus who wins?
Image 2 — Barnabas Tharmr vs Zenos yae Galvus who wins?
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Barnabas Tharmr vs Zenos yae Galvus who wins?

I believe Barnabas would win- but like what I was saying- I don't really buy ff14 power scaling-(ignoring context)

Just like Bahumat- Zenos needed a mother crystal to use Shinryu,

Barnabas as shown the ability to power eikons like Jill who fought Hugo, and that clive was able to beat hugo(Lost and normal) while in base form- I don't like to use other feats to compare eikons, cause it makes zero sense but humor me this aight?

Same clive that beat Leviathan, and Shiva egi(Timestop guardian I can't remember his name) Same clive that beat Omega before fighting Barnabas?

Another thing I saw- his furthersight, which is fundamentally useless, Rift slip is space + time manipulation, you can't see what is frozen- if we use clive kit in ff16- then Barnabas can also do that(To a stronger degree)

Another thing is Zenos taking over Barnabas, Eikons in ff16 are nor made out faith, Eikins ff16 are living breathing entity's with souls, If clive can fight off Ultima from claiming his mind, I belive he can do the same thing to Zenos.

Zenos has no defense against Zantetsuken as it deletes matter and cut space, if we use Omega(for now) The darkness element- is spatial manipulation, And we both know Zenos loves taking hits. Zantetsuken(lvl 5) those massive amounts of damage and cut space,

Barnabas significantly gets stronger in Semi-fully prime, and we have not seen a full powered Odin- we fought him in his Base-semi prime form, for christ sake- it could have been a Bahumat 2.0- if Square Enix had budget.

But what's your thoughts?

u/king_alter1 — 2 days ago