u/n3buchadnezzar

The Elective.

The Elective.

TL;DR: Just my showerthoughts. Feel free to skip reading

In brief I feel the community has offered a lot of backlash for decisions Nadeo has made recently, without (in my opinion) nuance. I will try to lay out some of the issues, what restrictions Nadeo has, and based on this give my take on what would meaningfully improve the user experience.

Background: Going further back there has been a wide gap between Trackmania for the casuals and Trackmania for the "Pro's". The "steps" if you can call them that usually goes

Training campaign -> weekly shorts / campaign 10 -> campaign - 11-25 -> COTD -> competition maps

Unlike many other games, Trackmania lacks a "ladder", yes you can play "ranked" but that does not teach you how to play tougher maps. Because the steps above are very coarse, it leads to people saying for instance COTD maps are both too easy (snoozefest) and too hard at the same time.

To bridge the gap, and make esports feel more as a part of the game Nadeo brought in the 5 esports map as a replacement for black maps. This means the ladder above now looks like this

Training campaign -> weekly shorts / campaign 10 -> campaign - 11-20 -> esport

Which, of course caused an outcry the steep ladder become a sharp 200m straight up jump for many.

In addion COTD is not supposed to be for PRO players, but the maps are too hard for very new beginners. Leading to most COTD maps to look, feel and play the same. In order not to "offend" any groups. Anything "new" or "unorthodox" is culled by the star system / map review system.

Constraints:

  1. Nadeo has basically 0 developers working on this game
  2. There is only one person picking COTD maps and Weekly shorts map and being a community manager. This includes overseeing the campaign and pro maps (if i understand it correctly) as well as managing the social media stuff.

We can dislike the constraints all we want, but this is the lay of the land. Spelling out what this means is that Phoebe is under a lot pressure, and has limited time to spend on COTD / Weekly short selections etc etc etc.

Proposal:

In the trackmania discord we elect 4-5 community members on a year / half year basis. These will suggest and make long term plans for both COTD and Weekly shorts, themed weeks, special days, asking mappers to map, etc etc etc. Ensuring Troll COTD actually exists, maybe even putting an "easier" map on mondays and a "harder" map on friday.

Perhaps most important of all, suggest maps outside map review for COTD / Weekly shorts as long as they generally fit the mold, and has been played by less than X players. Now that mold, has to be flexible and broader than what it is today.

Nadeo or specifically Phoebe has the final say vote / veto on any map, period. But Nadeo would ideally just oversee this, and approve instead of having to select, playtest, review etc hundred of maps. Benefits:

  1. Maybe this would give Nadeo enough time and resources to go up to 35 maps in a campagin. Ideally 25 normal maps (including the "standard" black maps) 5 ALT car maps and 5 pro maps. One could hope that these 5 pro maps were E (easy) versions we had earlier, but yeah hard to say. Then the pro pro maps have no cam changes and are the harder version.
  2. More variety in both COTD and weekly shorts ideally

However, this hinges on Nadeo actually trusting the community enough here. A trust, I dont think exists unfortunately. But if Nadeo could swallow some camels, and actually trust the community I think it would benefit them both greatly.

u/n3buchadnezzar — 17 hours ago

The top 7 for Hungary last elite cup to create the most upsets

Again, if my math is off please correct me!

Place Player Upsets / replaces Math if target gets 8th
1st Spammiej Stufts / Netherlands Spam: 170 − 12 + 1000 = 1158 vs Stufts: 952 − 60 + 100 = 992
2nd Scrapie98 Soulja / Belgium Scrapie: 796 − 56 + 700 − 36 penalty = 1404 vs Soulja: 1292 − 64 + 100 = 1328
3rd Brinkenn Molle / Sweden Brinkenn: 12 + 600 = 612 vs Molle: 406 − 26 + 100 = 480
4th Epos Pac / UK Epos: 900 − 44 + 500 = 1356 vs Pac: 1268 − 72 + 100 = 1296
5th Ricso5 pusztitopako / Hungary Ricso: 18 + 400 = 418 vs puszti: 352 − 36 + 100 = 416
6th MASSA GranaDy / Germany MASSA: 2564 − 64 + 300 = 2800 vs GranaDy: 2700, because 8th/100 does not improve him
7th HusoTM Cemkoo / Türkiye Huso: 194 − 30 + 200 = 364 vs Cemkoo: 268 − 28 + 100 = 340

Another candidate is Neon (which had to be sacrificed in the top 7 to give room for Scrapie)

neon: 238 − 20 + 700 = 918
mime: 852 − 40 + 100 = 912

All results assume their competitor does not perform better than 8th (as we want 7 upsets in the top 7).

Assuming we replace BirdieTM with HusoTM e.g then Birdie gets 154 − 24 + 200 = 330 points by getting 7th. Cemko then needs a 28th place or better to improve. E.g Cemkoo new total = 268 − 28 + result = 240 + result

Cemkoo place Points Cemkoo total Birdie beats him?
8th 100 340 No
9th 96 336 No
10th 92 332 No, Cemkoo wins by 2
11th 88 328 Yes, Birdie wins by 2

So yeah Birdie 7th and Cemkoo no better than 11th does it!

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