u/pdscotts

This idea that I am too deep of a thinker as an antinatalist. I don't think that's right I think a child could understand my basic points it's just that so many humans (I feel bad for them) are like brainwashed Lemmings running towards a cliff. But in any case my basic points which I cover mostly in my poem if you want to hear it

1. If a nonexistent being can't give their consent to being forced into dealing with pain suffering death depression alcoholism etc I at least don't have the right to force them without their consent out of their safe sheltered state of nonexistence which leads me to

2. The nonexistent humans who are never born don't miss out in the sense that they can't be upset that they don't exist or be upset or pissed about fucking ANYTHING

3. If I know ahead of time that if I procreate then there is not a zero percent chance of that baby being born with a painful terminal childhood illness or being born "healthy' but not even surviving to adulthood in this dangerous fucking world

I don't have the right to take that gamble just so I can fuck

4. Even those who have the desire to raise kids instead of just to fuck adding to the pile of human pain and suffering you can adopt one or more of the MILLIONS of orphans or foster kids already forced into being here without their consent focus on getting them a better life rather than procreating selfishly

Whatever you think of these points at least see that they are not rocket science actually not just sound but easy to understand. And the cherry on top I view NOT procreating as an act of love and compassion and empathy and not wanting to force a safe nonexistent being just so I can fuck into something they didn't ask for. I guess I hate when it gets dismissed as too deep thinking these are easy to understand legitimate points but people (who I feel bad for) are brainwashed by their own basic programming and society itself hardcore to not be able to see that. It's depressing I know.

My antinatalist poen

I have been thinking about pessimism as an antinatalist. On the one hand I am more pessimistic than most but those who say you antinatalists just need to be more happy then you would want kids I say my 4 basic arguments have nothing to do with the quality of my life (which is better than most on this planet not that it matters). I think that there is a fine line between pessimism and realism and I think that a healthy dose of pessimism would actually be good for the human race but I also think that not only does antinatalism not encourage suicide it doesn't encourage depression. If someone who is here has a smile on their face I don't try to discourage it. I look forward to things like my day off where I can have some happy or fun times but if I never existed I would not have missed out on that or been upset that I didn't exist (how could I?). I think it comes down maybe to I view not having biological kids as an act of empathy, love, compassion, not wanting to force without consent such a decision on a zero complaint non existent human. Maybe this is where the conundrum occurs. I think that not procreating is an act of love and compassion and a very good thing (most important thing for me). Many are so brainwashed they think that is being pessimistic but I think it is optimistic in being happy that nonexistent humans do not have to worry about... Well anything they may not feel happiness about anything but if they don't exist they don't care. And they don't have to deal with severe pain suffering etc. that is good even if they don't exist to know they don't have to deal with such things etc. your thoughts if you actually took the time to read this whole thing?