u/sacademy0

For some reason, the 8 worker patch clicked really well for me wrt PvT and was winning most of my matches easily. Most terrans would expand early, and I would do light robo pressure and either win outright or do enough damage to win within 10 minutes. For some reason terrans never expect early pressure?? Even when they scout that I wasn't doing a 1 gate expand.

But on the reverted 12 worker patch, the rhythm of the matchup feels completely different and I'm having a hard time adjusting. I changed 1 gate + robo pressure to 2 gate + robo since now we have more money and no speedgates, but it doesn't work as well as before. and now, terrans have a wider ranges of expand timing so every situation is more varied.

So far I've tried 4 gate all in, 2 gate + robo, 1 gate expand, cannon rush, proxy 2 gate, tempest rush. none feel too good tbh. What are other toss players doing for PvT? I'm diamond 3 currently. well i suppose my current MMR is like 200 higher than before but still, PvT is my worst matchup currently, especially since PvZ is so easy on this patch haha

i'm a big hero fan but watching him play zerg is unexpectedly fun to watch, maybe bc i already like his playstyle? and it was fun to watch him counter his usual skytoss strat and he was quite good with zerg. although it's rly sad that he has to resort to zerg for vZ, it's looking bleak rn for protoss rip.

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another data point for toss dead is that Clem used to play toss vs terran bc he was terrible at TvT, but since this patch he's playing TvT again haha