u/sahafiyah76

If you’re following the current saga!

I did some search and digging into Polish law on what you can do if documents literally do not exist and found this:

For anyone in a similar situation, consider submitting an oświadczenie (sometimes called an oświadczenie pisemne or, in its most legally weighted form, an oświadczenie złożone pod rygorem odpowiedzialności karnej - a statement made under penalty of criminal liability).

Under Polish law, It is explicitly contemplated under Polish administrative practice. The Mazowiecki Urząd Wojewódzki’s official guidance states that where documents contain discrepancies in personal data not resulting from official changes or documents cannot reasonably be produced (because they no longer exist), applicants must attach an oświadczenie explaining the reasons. More importantly, Article 220 of the Kodeks postępowania administracyjnego (Code of Administrative Procedure) prohibits a public administrative authority from demanding documentation without citing the specific legal provision requiring it. If your representative keeps asking for something that doesn’t exist without explaining why they need it legally, that is a procedural issue on their end, not yours.

For pre-1920 Austrian Partition cases specifically, where families - particularly poor Galician Jewish families - often never registered civil marriages due to cost, taxes, and fear of government identification, the nonexistence of a marriage record is not a gap. It is a documented historical pattern. An oświadczenie explaining this, supported by whatever circumstantial evidence ties the family together (birth records, census records, immigration manifests, death certificates, etc.), is a legal substitute.

The process in the US:

  1. Draft the oświadczenie as a formal affidavit. Sign it before a jurat, not a notary, swearing under oath that the contents are true), which I did yesterday.

  2. Might need to have an apostille but my state is literally closed until Tuesday to celebrate July 4 (who does that?!) but can do it through your state, not the US DOS. Waiting on confirmation whether this is needed or if the sworn statement before a jurat will suffice. If not, I’m driving to Tallahassee - not leaving this to chance in the mail.

  3. Send the apostilled or sworn statement in original English to your provider for certified Polish translation and submission. I notified Polaron yesterday/this morning that I had written it, sworn to its contents ,and will be overnighting it when the state opens back up (again, who does that?!) and I can confirm what is needed. If your representative has a translation contract (as part of their service agreement), the translation is on them, not you.

  4. Also worth knowing: the zaświadczenie o braku aktu (certificate confirming no record exists) is a separate official document that can be requested directly from the Polish State Archive. Ask the provider to do this as well (I included it in my email this morning). If your representative hasn’t requested one of these, ask them to do so by name.

  5. In addition, I sent Polaron a digital copy (will follow with an official) of my GGGM death record from Yad Vashem listing the place and date she was murdered (Brzezany, 1943) which coincides with the same exact town they listed on land records in 1921 and the town where my GGP were both born, so demonstrating continuous ties to Poland since it was one of the documents they asked for.

I also documented every single document I have sent them so far in the email and requested confirmation that each had been translated and submitted.

This case is genuinely weird and nuanced but the legal framework for handling it exists, just requires knowing where to look and the process for it.

Polaron said they are having an office meeting on July 9 to discuss the next steps on my case. I genuinely expect them to say “she’s being a pain the neck at this point” and drop me. But the fact that I have had to research the law on this myself at nearly every step has not left me with good faith they have handled this correctly. So I did ask for the name and contact information of the official that currently has my case so if they do drop me as a client, I can pick up with them and hopefully not need to start from the beginning with someone else.

I’m trying to do everything I proactively can to keep from being rejected and needing to appeal or sue. The chain is solid - you just need to understand how to apply it.

Anyone else in a similar situation - now or in the future - don’t give up! If you know you’re on the right side, be as proactive as possible and fight for yourself. It’s genuinely worth it.

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u/sahafiyah76 — 5 days ago

Update from previous post

If you read my update just a couple of days ago, I listed all of the documents I sent to Polaron over the last 20 months. Some of them I sent more than once because they kept telling me they had them and then suddenly they didn’t have them (which is why I started sending everything 2day express with DHL and requiring a received signature).

And it happened again.

A week ago last Friday, I got an email from my case worker telling me they were reviewing my case and they had asked for more documents and she would let me know on Monday what they were so she could review the request but she told me not to worry and that we would have “plenty of time to respond” and by “plenty of time” she meant 30 August (and any of you in the US know that is nearly impossible).

Fast forward to this morning when I emailed her and asked what the documents were since I never heard from her:

  1. My GF’s military record, which I’ve now sent three times and sent it the last time at the end of May and got a signature it was received, and she has continued to also insist each time I send it even though it plainly states that he never served, that he did. I told her to look again because I have proof I was just received yet again.
  2. My GGGP’s marriage certificate, which as I said here and have told her multiple times that it does not exist. My GGM was born technically out of wedlock as documented on her birth record that she only became “legitimate” in 1921 when her parents were legally forced to marry.
  3. My GGP’s marriage certificate, which I have told her repeatedly also does not exist. They claimed they did an archive search and didn’t find it. It does not exist. I can’t make something appear that doesn’t exist. They were never legally married.
  4. Proof of my GGP’s continued ties to Poland, which I sent her official census records for 1920 and 1930 showing they identified as Polish and indicated they only spoke Polish at home, as well as the proof of my GGGPs remaining in Poland through their tax records.

I changed case workers in the middle because I think mine left but I was under the impression that all of these details and documents had been submitted with my application.

But the authorities are now apparently asking for documents I have submitted or explained now on at least 5 if not more in some cases occasions to Polaron.

I sent her a very long email today probably showing my frustration more than I should have but I also requested a different case worker, maybe one who had more experience with pre-1920 cases - because this woman ain’t cutting it. And if I have to appeal or sue because of her incompetence, that will make me even more frustrated.

Has anyone else had this kind of thing happen with Polaron, if so, how did you resolve it before it became a denial or big issue?

What makes me so irrationally angry is I went through the trouble of getting things apostilled that didn’t even technically need to be so there would be no mistake about it’s authenticity, and then needing to send them via DHL overnight with a signature required because they kept “losing” them (and each package cost around $500).

As I’ve said, I perfectly well understand this case requires care because it is particularly nuanced, but they assured me they understood the full situation before I signed the contract and now this case worker is going to mess everything up because she loses documents and can’t follow through.

So yeah, I’m getting to the point of angry. 😡

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u/sahafiyah76 — 6 days ago

Sept. 2024

Hello! Been a while since I have posted (got discouraged by the wait time 🫤 )

For those in the Sept. 2024 submission, my provider (Polaron) sent me notice a couple of weeks ago that my case was under review and they were asking for further documentation but didn’t indicate what (my guess is that it is because mine is unusual and they are looking to make sure it’s legitimate). Polaron told me the new documents were due by 30 August and haven’t indicated what they are and whether I need to collect.

Great-Grandparents: 
* Date married: Never legally married (Jewish religious ceremony only but no legal marriage because they were poor and couldn’t pay the Jewish tax, which makes my line originate out of wedlock - rare!
* Date divorced: no divorce because not married
* GGGM and GGGF remained in Poland, are documented and on the rolls; also finally married in 1921 so they could have it officially recognized and documented)

GGM: 
* Date, place of birth: 1892 / Austria Partition (listed on her birth record as out of wedlock until parents married in 1921)
* Ethnicity and religion: Polish (listed Polish on all of her documentation, including language spoken), Jewish (also “weird” for a Jew who typically listed “Hebrew” but she indicated through multiple documents she was Polish and spoke Polish - which she did)
* Occupation: domestic
* Allegiance and dates of military service: n/a
* Date, destination for emigration: 1915 (with her “husband”), Cincinnati 
* Date naturalized: n/a
* Date, place of death: 1977, Cincinnati

GGF: 
* Date, place of birth: 1889, Austrian Partition
* Ethnicity and religion: Polish, Jewish
* Occupation: Tailor
* Allegiance and dates of military service: n/a (medically ineligible - deaf and heart attack)
* Date, destination for emigration: 1915, Cincinnati
* Date naturalized: n/a
* Date, place of death: 1926, Cincinnati

Grandparent: 
* Sex: Male
* Date, place of birth: 20 February 1920
* Date married: 1949, Cincinnati
* Citizenship of spouse: US
* Date divorced: n/a
* Occupation: tool maker
* Allegiance and dates of military service: n/a (medically ineligible - also deaf and heart issues)
(If applicable)
Date, destination for emigration: n/a
Date naturalized:n/a
Date, place of death: 1961, Cincinnati

Parent: 
* Sex: Female
* Date, place of birth: 31 July 1951, Cincinnati
* Date married: 1973
* Date divorced: 2005

You: 
* Date, place of birth: 1976, Cincinnati

A weird one indeed! But they never married (and their parents didn’t either until “forced” to). So mine is entirely matrilineal, which is why I think they asked for additional records, just to make sure, but they absolutely do not exist because they never legally married.

So that’s where I’m at. My case is at least finally under review. Will keep you updated!

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u/sahafiyah76 — 7 days ago