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My dad Poland in the late 80s. He was not 18 at the time and he fled with my Grandfather. Never renounced their citizenship and have been back multiple times. My Grandfather died in 2012.

I have some original Polish documents. Including my dads passport. I have seen it mentioned multiple times there is a form in Polish that someone like my dad can fill out?

What I do not understand is the process and how to do this. My dad is a US citizen now, I have my documents from here, and he has his, as well old Polish documents.

What do I do? Do I need to visit the consulte in person?

Hey everyone,
I’m currently digging into a pretty tricky Polish citizenship confirmation case (potwierdzenie posiadania obywatelstwa) through my paternal line, and I could really use some expert opinions from people who’ve dealt with similar situations. The whole thing is a wild mix of old Weimar/Nazi administrative files, questionable diplomatic notes, and a massive loophole in Polish family law.

Before I sign a retainer with a Polish law firm in the next few days, I wanted to check whether anyone here has ever managed to push through a case like this.

Here’s the timeline:

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The Paternal Line

Great‑grandfather (Stanisław) — born 1887 in Poznań

• In January 1922, he formally opted for Polish citizenship at the Polish consulate in Essen (Versailles Treaty / 1920 Citizenship Act). Registration no. 2746.
• Between 1925–1929, the family actually moved back to Poland and lived in Bydgoszcz.

Now the weird part:
There’s a diplomatic note from 1927 claiming that the consulate in Essen supposedly tried to revoke his option unilaterally.

My ace up the sleeve:
The German authorities (Regierungsbezirk Düsseldorf) completely ignored this supposed revocation. In German administrative files from 1931–1933, he is consistently treated as a Polish citizen (i.e., a foreigner).
He wasn’t naturalized in Germany until February 1936 — and specifically as a foreigner.
This basically proves he held Polish citizenship until February 1936.

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Grandfather (Ryszard) — born 1911 in Poznań

• Became Polish automatically as a minor through his father’s option.

My father was born in April 1932, when Ryszard was already 21 — legally an adult at that time.
So when Stanisław became German in 1936, Article 13 of the 1920 Act (loss of citizenship extending to minors under 18) didn’t apply.
Ryszard stayed Polish.

I also have negative certificates from WASt/Wehrmacht:

• He never voluntarily joined the Wehrmacht
• Never held public office in Germany
• Never appeared on the Deutsche Volksliste (DVL)

So loss under Art. 11 is completely off the table.

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Father (Wiesław) — born April 1932

Born in wedlock to a Polish father → automatically Polish by jus sanguinis.

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Me (Mateusz) — born 1961

And here’s where things get complicated: I was born out of wedlock.

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The Legal Core: The 1950 Family Code “Bridge”

Normally, kids born out of wedlock to Polish fathers run into a brick wall at the NSA because of Article 7(1) of the 1962 Citizenship Act.
The court is extremely strict:
The father must acknowledge the child within one year of birth, otherwise citizenship doesn’t pass down.

In my case, paternity was established much later — through German court rulings in 1971/1972, retroactively ex tunc.

But our strategy bypasses the one‑year rule entirely by using a different legal mechanism: legitimation through the parents’ later marriage (legitimatio per subsequens matrimonium).

1. My biological parents married in Germany in 1963.
2. At that time, the 1950 Polish Family Code was in force.
3. Article 71 clearly states: if parents of a child born out of wedlock later marry, the child automatically becomes legitimate.
4. This matched German law at the time (§ 1719 BGB old version).
5. The logic:
6. Since the 1963 marriage made me a legitimate child, the strict one‑year deadline for out‑of‑wedlock children under the 1962 Act shouldn’t apply at all.
7. As a legitimate child, I should inherit citizenship normally under Articles 4 and 6 of the 1962 Act.

Current Status & My Questions

I’ve collected almost all vital records. The State Archive in Poznań was absolutely fantastic. I’m just waiting for the last files from a German municipal archive before handing everything over to the lawyer.

Now to the community:

1️⃣ Has anyone here ever managed to break through the NSA’s strict stance on out‑of‑wedlock children by arguing legitimation through subsequent marriage (Article 71 of the 1950 Family Code)?

2️⃣ How likely is it that Polish authorities will give more weight to the Weimar/Nazi administrative files (which consistently treat my great‑grandfather as Polish) than to that strange 1927 “revocation” note from the Polish side?

I used the KI and AI to help to describe my situation better. I have much much documents collected and Mac genealogy science 20 years.

Hi all - a quick question…. I am a US-born Polish citizen by descent. (I also am a German and UK citizen, as well as a US citizen). Does my having been employed by the US Government as an attorney have any effect on either my Polish citizenship or my ability to pass it down to any future children I may have?

I know that my being confirmed as a Polish citizen at birth depended, in part, on my dad never having held any non-Polish public office, but I think that that restriction doesn’t apply to me. Am I right in thinking this?

Thanks!

Polish citizenship by descent — grandfather → mother → me

Hi everyone,

I’m working on a Polish citizenship by descent case through my maternal line:

Grandfather → Mother → Me

This is a pre-1920 ancestor case, so I know there can be doubts. A known Polish citizenship lawyer said the case looks favorable, but I’m trying to understand the weak points.

Grandparents:

* Married: 1917, USA

* Divorced: No divorce

Grandfather:

* Born: 1893, Przasnysz, then Russian partition / Polish lands

* Ethnicity/religion: White Polish Catholic

* Occupation: Laborer

* Military service: NARA/NPRC could not verify any U.S. military service

* Emigrated: 1913, USA

* Naturalization: No completed naturalization found so far; only a 1925 Declaration of Intention

Grandmother:

* Born: 1896, Polish lands / Russia

* Ethnicity/religion: White Polish Catholic

* Occupation: Housewife

* Military service: None known

* Emigrated: 1913, USA

* Naturalization: No completed naturalization found so far; only a 1940 Declaration of Intention

Mother:

* Sex: Female

* Born: 1922, USA

* Married: 1942, to a U.S. citizen

* Naturalization/emigration/military service: N/A

* No known renunciation or loss of Polish citizenship

Me:

* Sex: Male

* Born: 1951, USA

Documents found:

* Grandfather’s birth/baptism record

* 1913 ship manifest

* 1917 marriage record

* 1920, 1930, 1940, and 1950 U.S. census records

* Grandfather’s 1925 Declaration of Intention

* Grandmother’s 1940 Declaration of Intention

* Mother’s 1942 marriage record

* My birth certificate

* NARA/NPRC no military record response

* USCIS naturalization/CONE search still pending

My argument is that my grandfather likely acquired Polish citizenship under the 1920 Act, did not lose it because no completed U.S. naturalization has been found, passed it to my mother, and my mother passed it to me after the 1951 Act allowed citizenship through either parent.

Neither my mother nor her parents appear to have acquired any foreign citizenship or done anything that would renounce or break the chain before my birth.

Assuming USCIS comes back with no completed naturalization record, does this look like a plausible confirmation case? What are the biggest weak points in a pre-1920 case like this?

Thank you.

I see a lot of threads here about the long wait times and mailing documents to Poland.

Is the waiting game just as long if you go to a consulate with all of your documents as it is if you mail them in yourself?

(Or do you still have to personally mail in your documents even if you present your citizenship confirmation case at a consulate?)

Hi all — I recently submitted my Polish citizenship confirmation application to the Mazovian Voivode in April 2026. My attorneys believe the case has a good chance at the Voivode level, though I am fully prepared to appeal to the WSA if necessary.

The case is based on descent from my maternal grandfather, born in the former Russian Empire / later Polish eastern territories. The central European-side document I have is a 1907 Russian Duma voters list showing my great-grandfather listed in the urban commune of Bielsk. My understanding is that this is significant because inclusion on that list demonstrates enrollment in the local urban commune, which supports Polish citizenship under the relevant post-1920 legal framework. I am not sure how the Voivode will treat that particular form of evidence, but I understand it likely to be viewed favorably on appeal.

On the U.S. side, I submitted a full documentary chain using vital records from my grandparent generation onward, including marriage, birth, and death records where relevant, as well as my mother's and my own birth records. I also included immigration and identity records — including a ship manifest, alien registration record, draft registration cards, and naturalization-related documents — that are all consistent as to the family’s town/region of origin and Polish/Russian-Partition background.

Because surviving European civil and commune records appear to be unavailable, the application also includes archive-search correspondence / negative search evidence from both Poland and Belarus to show that further original local records could not be located. The strategy is to present the Duma voter list together with the U.S. records as a consistent evidentiary chain showing origin, family relationship, Polish citizenship/nationality, and lack of an earlier citizenship-loss event before the next generation was born.

I’d be interested in hearing from anyone who has gone through a similar pre-1920 Russian Partition / Kresy-type case, especially where the evidence was not a straightforward Polish birth or domicile record. I’m particularly curious how the Mazovian Voivode handled nonstandard evidence like voter lists, archive exhaustion letters, U.S. nationality references, and whether the case required appeal before being accepted.

Great-grandmother:

Date, place of birth: c. 1877, Russia / Grodno region, exact place unknown
Ethnicity and religion: Jewish
Occupation: Unknown / not documented
Date, destination for emigration: Emigrated to the United States; exact date unknown
Date naturalized: No record
Date, place of death: Unknown

Great-grandfather:

Date, place of birth: c. 1871, Białystok region, then Russian Empire
Ethnicity and religion: Jewish
Occupation: Junk peddler
Allegiance and dates of military service: No known military service documented
Date, destination for emigration: Emigrated to the United States, New York, 1907
Date naturalized: Never naturalized in the U.S.; filed a 1940 AR-2 alien registration form shortly before death
Date, place of death: New York, 1949

Grandfather:

Date, place of birth: March 1900, Grodno / Orla region, then Russian Empire; later within the Second Polish Republic / Kresy framework
Date married: 1919, New York City
Citizenship of spouse: Galicia-born, c. 1901; spouse’s citizenship not central to my line
Occupation: Scrap iron industry
Allegiance and dates of military service: Former nationality/allegiance documented in U.S. naturalization records as Polish / Republic of Poland; Polish military-service release/dismissal not found per Polish military correspondence; no documented foreign military service
Date, destination for emigration: Arrived New York, August 1913; last residence Grodno; embarked from Antwerp
Date naturalized: September 1936, United States; after the birth of the next generation, so relevant to the citizenship-loss / military-service analysis
Date, place of death: 1955, New York

Mother:

Date, place of birth: 1925, New York City
Date married: 1950
Date, place of death: 2023, New York City

Applicant:

Date, place of birth: 1967, New York City

Has anyone had experience with MUW or WSA treating this kind of indirect but consistent evidence package? I’m especially interested in experiences involving Russian Partition / Kresy cases where the key European evidence was something like a voter list, tax list, commune enrollment indicator, or other non-vital-record proof rather than a straightforward Polish civil record.

I was born in Canada to Polish parents (both born in Poland and lived there till their 20s). My mom had a passport issued for me in 1996 when I was a baby. This passport expired in 2006 and was never renewed. It has a spot for a PESEL, but it’s blank. My mom doesn’t think a PESEL was ever issued for me.

I’m in Poland on vacation and I’m trying to apply for a new passport. I’ve learned about the confirmation of citizenship process from this forum and from the passport office. I have the expired passport with me, a birth certificate that was issued by Poland 2 years ago, and my mom who has her own dowód and PESEL that are valid.

I’d like to avoid the confirmation of citizenship process because when we went to the Mazowiecki Urząd Wojewódzki a lady told us the process take upwards of 2 years. I know the consul is more strict about obtaining a confirmation of citizenship, but I was wondering if anyone has any advise about trying to complete the process in person in Poland?

From what I’ve read, the passport being valid until 2006 seems to work in my favour? I can ask for a supervisor to try and do an archival retrieval since it should have been registered somewhere?

Any thoughts and suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Great-Grandparents: 
* Date married: 1925
* Date divorced: N/A
GGM: 
* Date, place of birth: Poland 1906
* Ethnicity and religion: Polish Baptist
* Occupation: housewife/homemaker
* Allegiance and dates of military service: N/A
* Date, destination for emigration: 1929 Canada
* Date naturalized: 1956
* Date, place of death: 2003 Canada
GGF: 
* Date, place of birth: Poland 1905
* Ethnicity and religion: Polish Baptist
* Occupation: Farmer/labourer
* Allegiance and dates of military service: Polish Military 1927-1928
* Date, destination for emigration: 1929 Canada
* Date naturalized: 1938
* Date, place of death: 1995 Canada
Grandparent: 
* Sex: female
* Date, place of birth: Canada 1940
* Date married: 1958
* Citizenship of spouse: Canadian
* Date divorced: N/A
* Occupation: Homemaker
* Allegiance and dates of military service: N/A
(If applicable)
Date, destination for emigration:
Date naturalized:
Date, place of death:
Parent: 
* Sex: Male
* Date, place of birth: 1960 Canada
* Date married: 1982
* Date divorced: N/A
You: 
* Date, place of birth: 1991 Canada

Any experts here think I have a promising case for citizenship by decent.
Great Grand father born in Poland 1905
Great Grand mother born in Poland in 1906
I have original copies of their Polish passports that confirm they were born in Poland.
Great grandfather served in the Polish army from 1927-1928. I have his military hand book.
Both immigrated to Canada in 1929
My grandfather naturalized in 1938
My grandma was born in 1940
My great grandma became a citizen of Canada in 1956
My grandmother and my father and myself have not held government positions and have not worked in the military.
I did read something about from 1920-1951 children took on the citizenship of their father. So if my grandma was born in 1940 and her father naturalized in 1938 would that break the chain? Her mother didn't become a citizen until 1956. 16 years after my grandma was born.
I also read that if my grandfather wasn't officially discharged from the military he was kept in the reserves and possibly remained a polish citizen even after obtaining his Canadianship. Any experts here that goon chime in?
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Is a signed and stamped NARA packet containing the petition for naturalization, affidavit of witnesses, and oath of allegiance sufficient for obtaining Polish citizenship, even if I don't have the actual certificate of naturalization?

I’m soooo close to being able to ship my documents. I’m waiting for 1 more that will hopefully arrive any day now. 🤞🤞🤞🤞 I’m probably overthinking this but after all that work I want everything to arrive without issue.

I’ve put together all the documents in a 14in x 11.5in document mailer that is a little less than 1 lb. Is that the best way to package everything?

I was pricing out options and FedEx is about $250 and arrives a week later. UPS is $150, DHL is $210 and Pirate ship (UPS label) is $85-$100 and they all arrive in about 3 days. Is it really worth paying more or will Pirate Ship work?

Any other tips for shipping? Things you wished you knew?

Thanks!

Edit to clarify Pirate Ship uses UPS.

Appreciate any insight. Did some researching first and I know that the 1919 emigration date and pre 1951 marriage may be issues. Thanks!

Great-Grandparents: 

* Date married: 28 Oct 1923, USA

* Date divorced: NA

GGM: 

* Date, place of birth: 19 Mar 1906, USA

* Ethnicity and religion: ? , Catholic

* Occupation: house wife

* Allegiance and dates of military service: n/a

* Date, destination for emigration: n/a

* Date naturalized: listed as USA citizen on death cert

* Date, place of death: 27 Sep 1963, USA

GGF: 

* Date, place of birth: 20 Feb 1904 Poland

* Ethnicity and religion: Ethnicity (?) Catholic

* Occupation: Coal Miner

* Allegiance and dates of military service: none known

* Date, destination for emigration: 1919 > USA

* Date naturalized: uncertain, between 1930/1940 US census

* Date, place of death: 1 Nov 1979 USA

Grandparent: 

* Sex: F

* Date, place of birth: 17 Mar 1925, USA

* Date married: 31 Mar 1947

* Citizenship of spouse: USA

* Date divorced: NA

* Occupation: housewife

* Allegiance and dates of military service: NA

Parent: 

* Sex: M

* Date, place of birth: 2 Feb 1952, USA

* Date married: 23 Aug 1980

* Date divorced: NA

You: 

* Date, place of birth: 24 Nov 1987 USA

Great-Grandparents: 

* Date married: Unknown between 1901 and 1905

* Date divorced: None

GGM: 

* Date, place of birth: Rydisco Poland

* Ethnicity and religion: Catholic

* Occupation: Farmer/Housewife

* Allegiance and dates of military service: None

* Date, destination for emigration: Unknown (returned to Mlodow, Poland in 1908)

* Date naturalized: Don't think she was.

* Date, place of death: Don't know the date, but somewhere close to Mlodow, Poland.

GGF: 

* Date, place of birth: Don't know, but guessing around Mlodow Poland

* Ethnicity and religion: Catholic

* Occupation: Farmer and musician

* Allegiance and dates of military service: None

* Date, destination for emigration: We think in 1901, but returned to Mlodow, Poland in 1908.

* Date naturalized: Don't think he was.

* Date, place of death: Unknown; he and my GGM both died in Poland after 1920.

Grandparent: 

* Sex: Male

* Date, place of birth: Massachusetts

* Date married: 1933

* Citizenship of spouse: US

* Date divorced: Never

* Occupation: Farmer/Laborer

* Allegiance and dates of military service: None

(If applicable)

• Date, destination for emigration: Exercised Birth Right USA citizenship in April 2024.
• Date naturalized: Never
• Date, place of death: 1972, Massachusetts

Parent: 

* Sex: Male

* Date, place of birth: 1941, Massachusetts

* Date married: 1961

* Date divorced: Never

You: 

* Date, place of birth: 1968, Massachusetts

GGGM: Born September 1868 in Posen Poland, emigrated to the USA, married a US citizen prior to my GGM’s birth, unknown if she ever became a US citizen. Both parents of this ancestor were Polish, born in Poland.

GGF: Born November 24, 2894 in England, emigrated to the USA, served in the Canadian Army during WWI, married my GGM in 1918, currently unknown if he ever became a US citizen.

GGM: Born April 8, 1900 I’m the United States, married in 1918 and consequently lost her US citizenship due to marrying a foreigner (she involuntarily became a British subject upon marriage), it is currently unknown if/when she regained her US citizenship and by what means.

Grandfather: Born March 25, 1927 in the United States, served in the US Navy 1945-1946, married in February 1948 to a German woman who naturalized as a US citizen just prior to my mother’s birth.

Mother: Born June 24, 1950 in the United States, married in August 1972 and never divorced.

Me: Born April 13, 1980 in the United States.

All the NPRC could send me was his final pay voucher that shows he served for 3 years and was discharged in September of 1945 at the convenience of the Government (AR615-365).

County clerk does not have a copy of his DD214.

I'm assuming it is completely impossible to prove his military service?

I can't believe I have to reiterate this again, but we don't allow AI for the simple reason that it doesn't understand the laws and misleads users into drawing incorrect conclusions.

Not many (living) people understand these laws either, but of the few that do, a decent chunk of them are in here. Ask them, not the bot.

Thanks for your cooperation and support.

There seems to be some applications on there with not much movement. I see why this would be - and for obvious reasons - they will remain like this for quite some time.

However, do you (mods) think, for the sake of the curious on here, that we could have a “most recent update” and “date updated” section?

Just an idea for now but we could post a comment on the mega thread where people have posted the tracker details? I am happy to potentially chip in somewhere and contact people directly. I would seek permission for any involvement first before doing so.

I feel this would help visualise the process that we go through and what stages are involved. Understandably it would do nothing for timing as each case is individual. But without being too specific in the description, it could give those who are waiting a taste of what to expect and interestingly what other people are going through.

Hey everyone,

I’m at a major crossroads regarding my roots, and I’m looking for some honest perspectives from people who might understand the emotional tug-of-war I’m currently in.

Here is my situation: I grew up in Germany, and my family life was complicated. My parents divorced very early, which left a lot of gaps and unspoken history in my upbringing. However, I’ve always carried one undeniable connection to my heritage: a very traditional, distinctly Polish last name.

Driven by a need to fill those family gaps, I fell into genealogy. I’ve been doing extensive family research for over 20 years now—essentially half my life. I’ve built a massive tree, hired professional researchers, and spent countless hours tracing my lineage.

The main anchor of my research is my great-grandfather. He was born and raised in Poland, worked hard in heavy industry, and lived there until around 1919 before relocating to Germany. It’s through his line that I qualify for Polish citizenship by descent. Recently, I even hired a legal firm in Poland to start preparing the administrative process.

But now that the application is within reach, I’m hesitating. I’m asking myself: Am I doing this for the right reasons, and is it worth the final push?

Here is the conflict:

• The Identity Gap: Despite my last name and my 20 years of historical research, I don’t speak Polish. Growing up in Germany after my parents' divorce meant I was entirely disconnected from the living culture. Sometimes, looking at the application makes me feel like an imposter.
• The Symbolic vs. The Practical: Since I already live in Germany, I don't need the passport for freedom of movement or legal benefits. It would be a 100% emotional and symbolic decision—the ultimate, tangible closing of a chapter after two decades of searching for my family’s story.
• The Bureaucratic Exhaustion: Proving a lückenlose (unbroken) line over generations with strict authorities, old legal loopholes, and certified translations is incredibly draining.

Has anyone else with a strong family name but zero language skills gone through this process? Did getting the official citizenship make you feel more connected to your roots, or did you realize that the 20-year journey of discovering your family's history was already enough?

Would love to hear your thoughts.

Hi all, I was recommended to join this by someone in a shared group on Facebook for pre-1920 partition information. Maybe there is hope for me, maybe there is not - that's why I'm here. I fear I am one generation too distant for citizenship confirmation but I'll let the experts decide please. At the time (2005), Karta Polaka was not available to obtain. I grew up, life happened, and now I am hoping to find my ties back to Poland so I can continue to teach my children (my teenager is currently making his family tree and took his DNA testing). My family passed down the language and cultural traditions all the way to my father but my father did not learn the language fully to pass onto me sadly so I am learning the language on my own with a tutor. Dziękuję

Great-Great Grandparents: 

* Date married: 1901?

* Date divorced: N/A

GGGM: Jozefa Mroczek

* Date, place of birth: May 15, 1881 in Gumniska/Dębica, Poland

* Ethnicity and religion: Polish, Roman Catholic

* Occupation: Homemaker

* Allegiance and dates of military service: N/A

* Date, destination for emigration: 1899 to the US

* Date naturalized: First Papers only, October 1926

* Date, place of death: May 3, 1966 in Chicago, Illinois

GGGF: Jannes/Jan Jajo

* Date, place of birth: April 17, 1875 in Gumniska or Kraków, Poland (conflicting info?)

* Ethnicity and religion: Polish, Roman Catholic

* Occupation: Farmer, Roller for a steel mill

* Allegiance and dates of military service: N/A

* Date, destination for emigration: 1901 to the US

* Date naturalized: First Papers only, possibly 1926 as well

* Date, place of death: December 24, 1951 in Chicago, Illinois

Great-Grandparent: Stanley Jajo

* Sex: Male

* Date, place of birth: November 19 1921, Michigan

* Date married: September 7, 1946, Chicago Illinois

* Citizenship of spouse: American

* Date divorced: N/A

* Occupation: Press operator for an auto parts shop

* Allegiance and dates of military service: N/A

(If applicable)

• Date, destination for emigration:
• Date naturalized:

Grandparent: Roxanne Jajo

* Sex: Female

* Date, place of birth: June 30, 1952 in Michigan

* Date married: Unknown at this time

* Date divorced: Unknown

Parent: James McDowell

* Sex: Male

* Date, place of birth: July 1971 in Michigan

* Date married: N/A (he and my mother did not marry, he married someone else later on)

* Date divorced: N/A

You: 

* Date, place of birth: Aug 10 1989 in Flint, Michigan

Will it be possible to confirm my citizenship in my situation? Or will it be impossible because my grandparents didn't choose Polish citizenship and remained in the Ukrainian SSR? I'm not sure about the karta polaka because my grandfather declared himself Ukrainian, even though he never had one in his family. As far as I understand, my mother has the right to repatriation, but I haven't found any information anywhere about whether her adult child can go with her.

Great-Grandparents:

* Date married: January 18, 1958

* Date divorced: -

GGM: Teklya

* Date, place of birth: February 12, 1934 Tylicz Poland

* Ethnicity and religion: I can't say for sure, but her last name is Krynytska. But grandma said that her mother-in-law was polka

* Occupation: idk

* Allegiance and dates of military service: -

* Date, destination for emigration: fled from the war in October 1939, Slovakia. November 1941, Stanislav region, Ukrainian SSR.

* Date naturalized: I don't know when exactly, but she was definitely a citizen of the USSR.

* Date, place of death: -

GGF: Ivan

* Date, place of birth: February 1934, Dolina, Stanisła Voivodeship

* Ethnicity and religion: Pole, Roman Catholic

* Occupation: idk

* Allegiance and dates of military service: USSR 1952

* Date, destination for emigration: -

* Date naturalized: After the annexation in 1939, he received USSR citizenship

* Date, place of death: -

Grandparent:

* Sex: m

* Date, place of birth: January 1957. Lugansk

* Date married: 1978

* Citizenship of spouse: USSR

* Date divorced: 1993

* Occupation: idk

* Allegiance and dates of military service: USSR 1975

(If applicable)

Date, destination for emigration:-

Date naturalized:-

Date, place of death:-

Parent:

* Sex: f

* Date, place of birth: 13.04.1985 Khabarovsk

* Date married:-

* Date divorced:-

You:

* Date, place of birth: 13.09.2007 Moscow

Hello. I filled out a form on another sub and was told that I do qualify for citizenship by descent. My great-grandfather was born in Warsaw in 1902 and lived there until leaving for America in September, 1922. He was Jewish. I was told by JHI that there is no birth record of him using the name (the name he used in Poland vs. the Americanized name he took on arrival) and his father's name that he listed on his ship passenger list, most likely due to the war. However, many other people have this same obstacle because the destruction of records was so wide-spread, yet still manage to prove lineage and residency. How? I'm stumped. Thank you in advance for your help!