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I'm thinking this is it for LMH. He will probably be in prison for the rest of his life.

Lmh telling 60,000 plus people to vote a certain way leaves a hard to hide paper trail. I can't expect them all to delete the evidence. Plus this happened over a 4 year period 2021-2024. Scj also has a high turnover rate. so many of the 60,000 scj members left. Many of them will gladly testify against him. I don't expect current members of the 60k to be able to hide the truth either if they were questioned. Korea knows scj hiding and deceptive tactics well. They know just how to talk to these members to get the truth.

Also, the person that SCJ helped get elected ended up being a horrible president. (President Yoon, look him up. ) Now the opposing party is running Korea and they are mad. Not only that the Korean people are very mad because Korea almost went into dictatorship and SCJ helped.

Furthermore, the unification church leader Hak Ja Han has been arrested at 83 years old as well. She claimed to be old and feeble as well but it didn't work out for her either. So I don't think they'll be easy on lmh.

So quick summary about LMH and the stuff going on in Korea.

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So, in 2021 SCJ was in the center of covid in Korea. The authorities wanted to search scj to track the covid spread. Yoon, the prosecutor at the time actually got in the way and blocked them from doing a search warrant on scj twice.

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In 2022, Yoon wanted to be president of south Korea but his numbers were low and he was new to the thing.

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Scj coordinated its members to vote for Yoons party and join the PEOPLE POWER PARTY and pay fees and all that. Atleast 50,000 scj members joined the party.(I will get to the evidence later)

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Yoon got elected as president and barely won the presidency. (Won by 0.7%)

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Yoon turned out to be a horrible president. I mean a really, really bad one. He sent drones to north Korea to piss them off secretively. Then he told his own people wow look at us we are in danger of being attacked. So, he set up martial law. He then set up the military to block the law guys from making new laws and stopping him. He was trying to become a dictator. They climbed walls and crawled into windows and voted to stop martial law. The lawmakers voted unanimously to stop it. Then they impeached Yoon later on.

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Yoon has been sentenced to life in prison.

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Now Lee Man Hee, told his people to vote for this guy. The government successfully search warranted scj and they cross referenced his members to Yoons party. Also, there was internal documents, testimonies, and recordings that pointed to LMH asking his members to vote Yoon in.

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In south Korea, theres laws to seperate church and state. So, LMH coercing his members to vote for Yoons party(PPP) broke laws.

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2026 June 4 LMH is went to court and got questioned.

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2026 June 13 SCJ two top officials got arrest warrants. https://www.reddit.com/r/Shincheonji/s/LjfVKbAg2C

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Now, I'd like to end my summary with the definitions of prosecution and persecution.

Prosecution: A lawful, standardized legal process to enforce justice against alleged criminals.

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Persecution: An unlawful, unjust systematic harassment or mistreatment of people based on identity or beliefs.

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I've heard some interesting deceptive statements by Shincheonji members.

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1. When the chairman does his seminar pastors don't say anything against it because its all biblical.

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2. Pastors can't argue with the chairman because they don't have anything to point out.

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3. The chairman always offers to talk to pastors if they have questions but they don't.

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4. The chairman gives pastors tests on the bible but they can never pass them.

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5. If you can't pass an scj test on the Bible than you don't know the bible.

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6. The chairman is going to live forever.

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7. The chairman sleeps 4 hours a night.

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8. The chairman never was apart of another church. He just prayed with his grandpa.

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9. All the books the chairman made were corrupted by the people who helped him make the books. That is why they have different teachings.

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10. Chairman bought all his old books back because they were corrupted.

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11. There has been no wars in the Philippines after the chairman signed the peace treaty there.

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Here's just a few of them. Do you want to add some?

As you all have noticed, the Debate question went into a whirlpool of unrelated and off topic comments with lots of reading. I read all the comments and have tried to do my best to really summarize Lettuce-Reasons answer to the MAIN question.

The main question was:

“How do you verify SCJ is right and WMSCOG is wrong using the same hermeneutical method without assuming Lee Man-hee's authority before giving the answer?”

The summary:

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 "Jesus consistently promises a faithful & wise servant as a conclusive sign of the end times throughout the whole Bible, the gospels, and Revelation. "

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I'm not trying to be disrespectful. Please correct me if I'm wrong or if theres anything I missed that he said THAT answered the question.

Let's also keep encouraging the scj community to answer our questions and engage in these conversations.

Back then no one new what scj was. Scj members were taught to absolutely not share anything with anybody about what they believe. I have people in my family who have been in for 15 years or so. I've seen firsthand how back then they wouldn't share anything. LIKE ANYTHING! With my brother for example, I could ask him the simplest question and he would refer me to take the Bible study because he didn't want to ruin anything. He was already in it for like 3 years. It happened with another family member as well.

I know this big time ex member in it for 17 years said she cut her family off. She said it was a common thing to do back then in the earlier scj days.

From my perspective scj was doing so much better back then compared to today. Deception and lies thrive in the dark.

I think what happened was it was brought to light through covid. Now this secretive group was blamed for spreading covid to much of south Korea. It was brought to the light and everyone could see it. Scj attempted to act normal and pretend to be "not a cult" but a helpful good group. When claims about families being cut off happened scj ensured that members don't cut their families off because that's a cult kinda thing. They are trying to act more not cultish now and actually have a website and a YouTube page. Back then i remember they just had videos in Korean that were hard to find.

Does anybody notice any other changes scj has made in the last many years?

All of LMHs books have been conveniently corrupted after he made and published them. He does this to hide his mistakes when he changes revelation.

Has he done this on anything recent? Also, what about his messages through telegram? What is he doing to stop people from keeping track with what he says?

One thing I've noticed is that scj doesn't appear to keep track of his old mottos for the years. "Judgement of Babylon" ect. Is it because they dont get fulfilled and he has to clean the palate?