u/sunrisesequoia

Is it even the quiet part anymore?

I can’t imagine thinking of other humans as “less valuable than dirt” because they ate a cheeseburger.

Never in my time subscribing to the cult like thinking found in veganism did I ever wish death upon fellow humans for being non-believers. This is sick.

Sometimes I think we focus too much on the physical health issues pertaining to veganism and not nearly enough on the mental health aspect.

First of all, let’s all laugh at them ever being more than 2% of the population.

Once the laughter subsides though, it really is terrifying that there are people out there who feel this way. Shit look at the upvotes. These people are insane.

The delulu is funny though.

So this guy becomes vegan after marriage and the birth of his child. Ok fine. That’s a choice for him and that’s ok.

But wait, even though the wife cooks separate food for him, the fact that they aren’t completely vegan and insist the extended family comply means they don’t “support” him.

I think I agree with the father in law. I wouldn’t attend, not because of the food per se, but because the absolute entitlement that I have to follow this other persons diet/“ethics” I don’t share.

Since the wife will be accommodating everyone for the birthday, she obviously doesn’t respect him by not imposing on everyone else.

I wish when vegans use word like “support” they would just say what they really mean, because what they mean by support is “convert”. It’s the same when they call banning meat from the house but allowing the spouse to occasionally get something with egg at a restaurant when they’re not around a “compromise”. In no way is that a compromise, that’s compliance.

All this as a response to OP concerned about the social aspect of being vegan. Let’s break it down. BITE Model style.

1. BEHAVIORAL CONTROL - Regulating where people live, what they wear, how they sleep, what they eat, and how they spend their time.

- “The earlier you get in this mindset the better”.

It’s wrong that OP focuses on the dietary aspect of the cult when navigating social situations because iT’s NoT a DiEtArY cHoIcE.

- “Bring your own food at a family gathering”.

Only put approved food in your body at all times

2. INFORMATION CONTROL - Deceiving members, withholding or distorting information, and forbidding access to outside sources or critics.

- “Vegan food is delicious”.

Some vegan food, like all food CAN be delicious. Some can be ass. Vegan food being delicious by default is false, but has to be perpetuated.

- “who cares about these animal abusers and their opinions really? They are wrong, and many of them know they are and that's why they are so against veganism”.

Everyone but us is wrong. Only the word of the cult is all that matters. All others are outsiders.

3. THOUGHT CONTROL - Requiring adherence to group dogma, using loaded language or clichés to stop critical thinking, and labeling alternative views as evil.

- “Having said that, if your family & friends are not completely pieces of shit, they won't find it that difficult to cook/eat vegan food with you every so often. They can be abusers any other day of the year. Is it really that hard to eat vegan one meal?? It is not”.

Your friends and family are piece of shit abusers. We are not. It’s easy to be like us.

- “why feeling bad for your choices when they are the ones committing something that is immoral? They are the ones that are pro animal abuse, and you feel bad that they have to do "extra work"? No no no, scr3w them”

Ridiculous self censorship aside, again, those who don’t adhere to the cult’s teachings are immoral. Don’t feel bad for them since they’re basically subhuman

4. EMOTIONAL CONTROL - Manipulating feelings through guilt, shame, unearned praise, and instilling irrational fears about questioning or leaving the group.

- “Do you remember when there were slaves in the States? Ok, so, feeling bad for meat eaters it is like saying "oh, I feel for the black slaves, but I don't want to burden the slaves owners with my morals". That sounds ridiculous doesn't it?”

Consider the feelings of meat eaters? No, think of the black slaves instead.

- “It is going to be hard at the start, I ain't gonna lie. But then you will live aligned with your morals and that teels so good!”

Only through the cult and its teachings will you find bliss!

I could have put more examples and there’s overlap, but this is enough. It’s sad that normal people let cultists like this influence them. I know quite a few people that needed therapy when leaving veganism because this cult like thinking fucked with their head so much. These are sick fucks who hide behind “simply not wanting to harm animals”.

ETA: Bonus part because I left out the biggest sign something is a cult, friends/family separation from non-converts.

“If people can't even go one day without animals and animal products, do you really want them in your life?”

Fucking sad.

Found on one of their subs under the discussion of whether or not the carnivore diet is a fad.

I don’t follow the carnivore diet, I eat a balanced diet that includes fruit and vegetables. But I don’t hold any ill will or judge those that do. Like an onmi, vegan, or vegetarian diet, different health strokes for different folks.

But let’s not forget how these people really feel about their fellow humans. They want us dead unless we convert. Even when I had my moment of veganism years ago and did some activism, I never had such awful thoughts about non-vegans.

This is a cult. And to the cultists, people who don’t convert are not deserving of life.

I’m so very glad not to be part of that lifestyle anymore. For not only my physical health, but mental as well.

I wouldn’t normally post something like this, but knowing we get under the skin of the manipulative activists makes me feel good. But of course we were NEVER vegan and suffering from immense guilt and “cognitive dissonance” anyway so I’m not sure why it matters lmao. And they wonder why we left the cult.

They really do regurgitate the same lines over and over like good little cultists. I wish I had a dollar for every time a vegan misuses the term “cognitive dissonance”.

Vegan activists always claim they get hate for “not wanting to exploit animals”. We all know that’s not the reason. The particular vegan that started this thread was recently banned from here for posting activism snark like the kind you see (and posted by this particular vegan) on the circle jerk subs.

They know “not wanting to exploit animals” is not the reason they get hate. It’s because they don’t mind their own plate and business while constantly being on a mission to convert. Stating otherwise is just wanting to play the innocent victim and to make everyone not them framed as “animal exploiters”. It’s an old activism trick.

Yes, people do get unfairly annoyed at vegans who are just living their life and their choices. That is wrong and unfair imo, but don’t mistake these activists as those people.

People that come here to harass aren’t poor innocent animal saviors, they’re control freaks who get upset when their “approaches” don’t work and are called out.

I hate semantic gaslighting. Always report unwanted activism.

I thought this would be satire, but I’ve seen enough posts from the person that said “execution” to know they are 100% serious. I’m sure the person in the second photo means it too. These people are unhinged.

We’ve already learned they want us to get cancer. Sometimes the mask really comes off and you see how they truly feel about non cultists.

This vegan has gone full detective mode on his partner for eating food when she’s hungry to the point where co-workers are calling to tattle. He’s acting like she was smoking crack or something. Poor woman was just hungry and wanted a bacon roll.

If I had to guess, he spent years manipulating and pushing her into a diet she doesn’t want but she eventually complied with because this prick sounds abusive and controlling as fuck. I hope he does leave her and she gets to experience the freedom of choice every human deserves.

I know if somebody tried to sit me down to “have a conversation” like a fucking detective over what I ate and when, I’d laugh in their face as they are a completely unserious person.

This is abusive and comment section is, of course, encouraging the abuse. How anybody could let these miserable, coercive psychos dictate their diet is beyond me. I feel for this poor woman. Many of us have been in her shoes. It’s sad that anybody has to hide…… eating…. from their partner. It’s not healthy, mentally and physically. He obviously cares more about his poor animals than his own partner. I only hope he never has kids.

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Girlfriend of 12 years and vegan for 7 has started eating animals again. What are your thoughts?

I've been with my girlfriend for almost 12 years now. We started seriously seeing each other toward the end of 2014 as we graduated university.

I went vegan in 2018, she followed about two years later.

Two and a half years ago we moved out of London for work, in a more rural location. Once ever year and a half there is an opportunity for some serious overtime which we both take up (we work at the same place, different departments). I usually switch to nightshifts because I find you have more personal time as you are running in contrast to everyone else's schedule. Its very tiring though!

1) last time, I saw an egg and cress sandwich from the co op. We live in as far as you could define one- a "food dessert" in the UK but when we are busy try and order microwave meals etc from planty. I knew it was probably because she was tired and there was nothing else. How she put that in her mouth, I dont know.

2) in January I was on a 6 week training course offsite. One of my colleagues told me she was eating bacon rolls most mornings. Disappointing that she would give up her convictions again, for a canteen bacon roll.

3) we are in that overtime opportunity again. I'm a draw in my desk is loads of snacks, and I keep my office fridge stacked with some microwave meals. I get started on some laundry, I knock over her work bag and out comes a "bbq pork with sticky rice" sleeve from waitrose. I think she didn't want to throw it in the bin in case I saw it.

I am now led to the belief that she is eating meat in the house, and trying to hide it from me. First point I thought well, sometimes you gotta eat (although in hindsight we have tins, ramen, etc). Second and third points i think she is just outright eating animals again and this is concerning for two reasons; firstly, her convictions have shifted and she thinks it's okay to eat animals, secondly, she's being dishonest with me.

I expect that she has likely done a lot more, and perhaps for longer.

Would love some thoughts and rationalisations.

Totally not a cult.

My favorite is the comment down in the post about cults. He ALMOST gets it while claiming veganism isn’t a cult because……

Your family, your relationships, your finances, and your entire sense of reality can be controlled, manipulated, and even threatened by others.

Isn’t that exactly what vegan activist do? You see posts on that sub day after day about relationships and families that refuse to go vegan and the responses are always “try this approach” or “leave them”. Not to mention dictating what you can and can’t spend your finances on, especially if it’s proper nutrition for a cat. I’m not even going to go into warping other people’s sense of reality. 99% of vegan activism is control and manipulation. Anonymous for the Voiceless even has a script for best practices to do those things.

So someone other than the vegan got a good job opportunity. But of course the vegan has to make it all about themself and their little feelings.

Of course the comments are “have a ‘conversation’” and basically throw a fit and show how upset you are.

Vegans are obsessed with forcing “conversations” on people with the hope of controlling them. And when that fails, try manipulating them with your sads. They’re like 4 year olds who want a toy at the store.