r/exvegans

I’m currently working on becoming a vegan as it’s my lifelong dream and something that aligns with my personal morals:beliefs, and I saw this sub somehow. So naturally I’m wondering why people decided, after learning about all of the abuse of animals and the harm of the animal agriculture system on the planet — knowing all that— would stop being vegan? I point those things out only to explain my thoughts and confusion not to place blame so I apologize if that’s offends.

Veganism worsened my health even with careful, continuous planning and many supplements. But the main reason I don’t want to be vegan anymore other than that is because I Just Don’t Want To.

I don’t want to gamble my health on a herbivore diet PROVEN scientifically to lack nutrients compared to an omnivore diet when other animals rip off their prey’s faces and eat them alive. Veganism is so unnatural and manufactured and rooted in privilege that whenever I’ve argued with a vegan about why it’s not good for MY health and MY body with personal examples AND veganism studies they resort to calling me selfish. And then they insult my intelligence.

OK, I’m selfish. What now? I’m selfish, I’m human, I’ve only got one life, I don’t care. What’s so wrong with that? There’s good animal welfare laws in my country, I buy free range, I don’t even eat meat every day but that’s not good enough for them. Not that I have to please them but you’d think they’d be happy about that. I’m selfishhhhh. And I’m more free than them and I live with more ease. What now.

>Does ask yourself has literally used to name the trade argument in order to claim that non vegans are hypocritical because they can't name a trait that humans have and all other animals don't.

He is literally said a bunch of his videos back retarded people don't know any better and are not civilized and therefore behave like animals or at least that's what he's implying.

I can't follow this at all. I don't know who you are talking about or what your point is here.

>Also if you think that consideration for moral framework should be extended to anyone capable of suffering, so does that mean that animal should be held accountable for killing other animals?

Again, the "name the trait" argument is about moral patients, not about moral agents. If you believe that suffering is bad and animals can suffer, you need to have some additional trait that justifies harming non-human animals but does not justify harming humans.

The reason non-human animals don't need to be held accountable for killing other non-human animals is because they are not moral agents. They don't need to behave morally. Humans should.

Hello! In the last 2 years, I was eating a vegetarian diet and, for some periods of time, I considered myself a vegan and I've been eating accordingly to that.

During all that time, I always had some "unpleasant toilet sessions" but I never gave too much importance to it because I was thinking "I am eating VERY healthy. Fruit, vegetables, beans etc" so I never associated diet with this problem. But it was a problem! My flatmate even told me, "man, you should see a doctor asap, it is not normal that you spend so much time in the toilet".

It has been around a week since I reintroduced meat into my diet. Not because I wanted to fix my gut problems, but because I was craving meat. In the last 3 days, I completely cut out any ethical dilemma, and I've been eating as much meat as I wanted to.

Guess what? My "toilet problem" DISAPPEARED. Gone.

Can some of you help me understand what just happened? This is just out of curiosity to get a "reddit opinion": I WILL go to the doctor asap to get a professional opinion.

I don't hate the smell but it bothers me. I can tolerate it but I feel like i will spit it out any time. The texture of mussels annoy me. Their smell is so strong. Was I supposed to wash them with salt and vinegar?

I don't want to support factory farming but I can't seem to fit in the vegan box no matter how hard I try. I always have to quit for one reason or another. So I'm trying vegetarianism and it's going a whole lot better. Vegan is just too small of a box for me, sorry vegans.

I’ve been vegan about 7 years and I will mention up front I have a fun mix of adhd and ocd so I have my fair share of shit brain times but in the last two years to so, I have become a very angry person. Any time I see someone eating meat or talking about eating meat, it makes me angry. It makes me hate them. How could they not see what they’re doing is horrible? It makes me spiral into feelings of misanthropy and hatred toward humanity. As you can imagine, it makes days like today hard (BBQs etc). Same with pretty much any other holiday or celebration. But it doesn’t stop there. Someone bitching about climate change? Well, it’s their fault for consuming animal products. Someone sad about a dog getting hit by a car? Well, you’re an asshole for not caring that millions of farm animals are purposely killed every day.

I have lost my hope for humanity because I see everything through a vegan lens and I cannot unsee the sadness I now know exists. I am alienated in these feelings as no one I know, not even my husband, is vegan.

I cannot morally return to eating animals but I feel like my mental health is at a dangerous place with all this anger and sadness I cannot ignore. I’m hiding in my house today to avoid parties and because I’m so sad about how much fireworks hurt wildlife.

I don’t even know why I’m posting this. Assurance? Validation? Someone to tell me I’m a sensitive little fuck? 🤷‍♀️ who knows.

I was just wondering, I have ASD and ADHD, and while vegan my burn out was really extreme and prolonged and my autistic traits became more enhanced (like sensory/stimming/eye contact etc). I was wondering if others felt the same, because I've noticed it a lot online. I had the same kind of pattern as other vegan autistic people or especially women (I'm female), the severe burn out, heightened emotional states, paranoia, severe depression, hatred towards humans and putting animals above all else, associating meat products with human anatomy or cannibalism, anti natalism, vystopia etc. When I was vegan, I noticed a lot of cult-like vegans mentioned they were autistic, and in the autistic subs, I see the same vegan nonsense propaganda spewed and the same kind of hatred and downvoting to ex vegans who shared their stories. I was wondering if there was some link, the only thing I can think of is that certain health conditions like malnutrition probably exacerbate burn out and mental health illness in already sensitive neurodivergent individuals. I also wonder just how many unsuspecting autistic adults are suffering with their health and mental health, burn out etc. since going vegan and never think to link it. Just wondering if anyone else around here who is autistic or ND (neurodivergent) and noticed this as well?

I do not have lactose intolerance, but I am not able to tolerate American dairy without stomach cramps and digestive problems. I can drink dairy in Canada without any problem. It makes me wonder if there is some milk in America I can tolerate, but I've not had any luck up till now.

I know in America they give cows antibiotics, growth hormones, feed them unnatural diets such as those with animal byproducts, etc. It seems like if the milk is USDA organic then these are no longer true. But even organic milk causes me problems. I do not have problems with A1 vs A2 either, I have tried A2 brand milk and had severe problems. I am able to tolerate Canadian milk which is not A2.

I have tried the following brands/products and have not had any luck:

• Alexandre yogurt
• Organic valley milk
• A2 milk
• Kalona kefir
• Family farmstead a2/a2 organic milk
• Larson farm and creamery a2/a2 organic yogurt
• Activia yogurt drink
• Cabot "lactose-free" cheese

I'm now gonna try driving to Connecticut to try Baldwin Brook Farm raw milk, but I will boil it myself in hopes of it being more natural/fresh. Does anyone have suggestions in the New England area, particularly for those who struggle to digest dairy in the US?

Heya all,

Just want to say I need some help as I'm struggling mentally with some internal conflicts.

I was vegetarian from about 11 to about 23 years old. I then transitioned to eating meat products as I felt my quality of life - restrictions, missed opportunities and constantly thinking about when/what I can eat. It became all too much and I felt like living a miserable life isn't worth vegetarianism. I feel selfish for this.

But I was eating meat etc again but only thought about where it came from again recently. I was so upset about how animals are bread and slaughtered. So my husband and I made the decision that buying into the industry but getting more ethical practices for meats would be best than cutting it all out. Also, maybe cut down on the beef and pork as chicken is healthier. I don't eat much meat anyway just occasional burgers or pizza toppings. I still eat a lot of vegetarian stuff as I like how it tastes.

But now I got thinking about milk and how we keep cows pregnant. So we then decided to buy milk from a local farm who focuses on cow happiness (it also has milk/shake vending 24/7).

I'm not trying to guilt anyone and I don't mind what others eat. But I seem to have been thinking about it randomly 3 years on. I really love cheese too and I really internalise and guilt myself. I want to find a way I can still go about my life without thinking I'm a bad person.

My husband also grew up in his grandpa's small family farm and he's feeling bad about contributing to it.

Any advice would be really nice ❤️

I was a vegetarian for about 9 years because I was somehow disgusted by meat and I am sure that I will never eat meat voluntarily again. 7 months ago I finally became vegan for ethnic reasons. I've never really had problems with it but for several weeks I've been thinking about becoming vegetarian again, but somehow I'm pretty insecure because it feels like I'm just throwing away my conviction. The most important reason for me would be that I could eat more different things again so not just yoghurt I would probably still resort to vegan alternatives but simply dishes where a bit of milk or cream is in it etc. Another point is that I've only recently been out of an eating disorder and I think I just need a bit of variability, but I would still use vegan alternatives if possible. What is your opinion on this?

Believe it or not this guy is the moderator of the platform and he claims on arguing in bad faith, despite all I'm doing is asking questions about consistency.

If you want my advice don't go to this guy's platform, he's biased and he deletes people who don't agree with his point of view.

I have been dairy free for years after a sketchy doctor had me on an elimination diet long term. Now, I’ve been trying to reintroduce dairy about a decade later. I haven’t had too many issues with Parmesan or yogurt, but I haven’t noticed that my weight has gone up a bit while my calorie intake has remained the same. Has anyone had this issue and has anyone been successful in not gaining weight while reintroducing dairy?

Why do vegans NEVER consider bunnies as pets? Why do they try to force a vegan diet to cats and dogs? It makes no sense, just get a bunny.

Btw I'm currently trying to have a mostly plant-based diet, I'm not trying to bully vegans lol

Anyone else notice some Vegans you met or knew IRL were some of the worst abusive People to others? Seems like the feel they can cover this up about them by looking & feeling ‘Morally Superior’

Of course don’t want to Generalize & Good & Bad People of all Backgrounds.