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This is indisputable btw.

Kind of the reason why Egghead was a bit of a yawn fest when it came to fights. Luffy abuses his speed a lot more than somebody like Sanji does in a fight and it’s always a bit more fun to see him fight somebody as fast as he is.

“Yooooooo Harald professed inferiority to Ragnir so the squirrel canonically beats the Old Gen”

”Fighting Loki is like fighting two top-tiers at the same time because he has Ragnir”

”The Admirals get smashed against Wagnir”

We can finally put these silly debates to rest and scale the squirrel precisely.

Let alone ACoA(emission & ID)+ACoC?

We’re officially several years post-Wano. The only character that’s ever taken a punch from Luffy better than Kaido is Topman. The Gorosei were blown up. Borsalino saw stars. And Imu was forced to bleed. Either he didn’t use ACoC or Topman was an exception.

Luffy’s ACoA and ACoC are exceptional. His punches with ACoA had higher potency than the four strongest Scabbards unifying their strongest named attack. His nameless ACoA+ACoC punch had higher potency than Zoro’s named ACoC attack. Yamato fought Kaido but Luffy sky-split with him.

I really don’t see why Luffy wouldn’t be able to hurt Roger/Whitebeard/Garp in base if he can hurt Mu. Maybe shallowly with ACoA but they’d definitely feel his ACoC and especially his ACoA+ACoC.

Now my point is, imagine there was a character who had taken Luffy’s best ACoA attacks in Base+G4. Then later took his ACoA+ACoC attacks in Base. After that Luffy was knocked out and later reappeared after eating a months worth of food. Then he fought that same character using ACoC+ACoA+G4. Afterwards he had two rounds of G5 with this character but was still losing by the final clash. Now imagine this character did not block a single attack, punch or kick the entire night and endured everything.

I think it’s fair to say this character would have Top 5 endurance relatively for ACoC related matters. 🧐

I feel like we’re getting lost in the sauce here. A lot of posts are talking about Hybrid and a potential second comeback (which I agree with btw). But this doesn’t matter. The main intention of the fight was Oda’s aim to absolutely and always glaze Luffy.

He does this every arc now. In Wano we had the four Scabbards line up their strongest ACoA attack, which fell short of Luffy’s normal G4 ACoA. Zoro used his strongest attack infused with ACoC and lamented that it still wasn’t enough to force Kaido on his back, which Luffy did with a nameless punch. Yamato held off Kaido for 9 chapters and the first thing Luffy did after he reappeared was split the sky with him.

Imu had no feats. His humiliation of Zoro/Sanji and the low-diff fight he had with Loki was to give him that. We had a very good understanding of the Wings strengths and limits. We had a decent understanding of Loki‘s strength as Oda spent a bit of his flashback talking about how he mogged Harald as well as the Devil Fruit abilities he showed prior to his fight with real body Imu. It’s in the fight with Loki that we understand Imu’s own strength, speed, durability and powers. It was all to glaze Luffy in his fight against Imu. You are reading a Luffy Glazing manga. Everything Oda does will always be to glaze Luffy at the end.

It’s why when Luffy reappeared Oda quickly wrote out Loki in the fight so his golden boy could have a chance to shine, alone.

TL;Dr: Worf Affect

Surely Oda won’t betray us twice on the subject of Luffy’s rival(tm).

Does it really need to be said?

The entire fight Loki is almost unable to land any hits on Imu. The one blow he does land is when Imu starts hyperventilating about Joyboy which leads to an opening that Loki takes advantage of. However, we also see that Imu isn’t a glass cannon as he takes the attack pretty well.

The moment Luffy entered the fight (and did more damage than Loki) is when Imu ended it promptly. On his terms.

I will say this, depending on how portly G5 Luffy does or doesn’t do, it may upscale Loki. I doubt it though. We had an understanding of Loki’s power before the fight. We didn’t of Imu’s. The fight was to highlight Imu’s strength more than Loki’s.

#FEARLOKI

Chapter by Chapter he will keep proving you all wrong.

What does this mean?

Maybe history won’t repeat twice and this was a one-off situation.

I’m trying to catch up and understand basic scaling curriculum so I can contribute to the important discussion happening in the sub.

In this panel, Harald states that nobody has been able to eat Ragnir for a thousand years but with the strength he has **now** from Imu that may very well be possible. This is implying inferiority to Ragnir. However, he’s also very confident that Loki can eat the fruit unassisted, which he does.

Does that imply base fruitless Loki is stronger than Harald? 🤔

I’m going to use Loki as an approximate.

When Luffy takes off he doesn’t stop until he reaches Imu. We are a panel of Loki holding his weapon (two-handed) as Imu’s monologuing. When Luffy appears one of Loki’s hands is off his weapon and thus we can infer he’s in the middle of an attack (unless you think he’s breakdancing). Luffy comes mid-attack and strikes Imu before either Imu can dodge or Loki can complete his attack.

> i-it was a surprise punch

Imu was getting ready to block or dodge Loki’s attack. He wasn’t distracted or anything, he was still fighting. That Luffy attacked from the other side of Elbaph before Loki could is still a Luffy W.

However, when Imu blitzed him, it wasn’t in Loki’s Dragon form or his Hybrid form - it was his base form. And Imu increased his size meaning he should have been an easier target for Loki to hit or dodge attacks from.

That didn’t happen however, indicating Imu gaps Loki in speed even with size taken into account. This means a character that can hang with Imu but is smaller in size would be even more difficult for Loki to fight.

Food for thought.

But in the same notion, we have yet to see Imu use that full Zoan form he pulled out against Sabo (lol.)

And the main distinction between the two is that Loki isn’t using his full kit and is losing while Imu also isn’t using his full kit but is winning.

Hope this helps you understand basic scaling.

If you voted Loki+Ragnir I just want to say shame on you and that your scaling career is over (it never began).

Do you lads think this was a sneak?

I'm sure Oda has it in him to write another 1000 chapters of filler until Loki finally makes a full recovery.

Pre-timeskip was even less btw.

I'm sorry to say but not all of you will make it.