u/tersono123

> World’s Strongest Swordsman

> never goes to the land of warriors reknown for their swordsmanship

C’mon Oda wtf are you doing.

I know I’ll get an answer about how it’s not worth the investment heading there as the samurai are all jobbers and too weak for him to be interested in, but he was hunting pirates like Don Krieg for fun. He literally has nothing but time.

1. Luffy’s performance against Imu.
2. His previous encounter with Shanks which led to him getting captured.
3. Confirming whether it was his ACoC or his fruit which allowed him to kill Harald.

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Best case scenario for Loki:

1. Luffy fudges and does much more poorly.
2. Shanks sneaked him / he was sleeping / hatched a scheme which led to him being taken down in an unfair fight.
3. It was pure ACoC, nothing else. Loki mogs Roger, Rayleigh and Gaban.

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Worst case scenario up for Loki:

1. Luffy comes in like he did after Yamato finished fighting Kaido and immediately performs a skysplit showing him Yamato’s superior.
2. Shanks swiftly beat him in a fair fight, just like Kid.
3. It‘s the Nidhoggor fruit and it’s why Rocks was adamant that if Harald ate the fruit and allied with him, he’d be able to topple the WG.

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No bias attached.

More to come.

We know Ryou/haki is well known in Wano. ACoA too.

We see that when Kaido was struck by ACoA by the Scabbards and by Luffy that its impact was described the same - “shallow”. What this word is in the official Japanese translation I don’t know, but Viz reused this word for both moments. Implication being ACoA hurts but doesn’t do much real damage, which is when Luffy switches it up and combines the two.

We see when Oden goes out to see somebody like Roger literally swatted him aside with a Divine Departure before clashing equally with WB.

Apart from us knowing that the Roger Pirates had five potential ACoC users, we now know they faced the threats of Holy Knights somewhat commonly from Gaban. We can’t confirm whether they fought when Oden was in the crew that said.

However, apart from all the new challenges he’d face, the threat of opponents that require ACoC to defeat would have forced Oden to hone his own ACoC to assist in neutralising them.

This could be the thin line between him being somebody that is dangerous but an afterthought, to somebody that’s described as “invincible“ after returning to Wano and now being equals to Kaido.

Food for thought.

G’day.

This shouldn’t really need to be said but unfortunately people either have no media literacy or just want to push an agenda.

When Gaban said his very reposted quote about how he saw HK Harald destroying the world, he followed it up in that same page how it was Harald seemed almost invincible the way he kept regenerating.

People have disingenuously said this means HK Harald absolutely mogs Primebeard who would be an active pirate at this point and indirectly the entire Old Gen. HK Harald can beat Primebeard likely but only because the latter has no answer for his regeneration, we saw in the fight itself that Harald is very much still vulnerable. This is a different story to somebody like DR Rocks who the struggle was to land a powerful enough hit to break through his CoC guard.

> but tersono this means you think somebody like Woop Slap could destroy the world if he also received the same regeneration powers haha

No. Quit it with these dogshit arguments.

Harald was still a powerful character. Capable of [one-shotting giant,](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fdont-be-surprised-when-this-guy-turns-out-to-be-a-top-tier-v0-oht50i9wz38f1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D640%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3De17fcf67232717c9b2fa8a819822de1f9fe09360) , [destroying large objects with ease,](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fflorian-triangle-v0-m3f45tobnb4g1.png%3Fwidth%3D868%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3De8d9be86dce6c11881e0573ee4fe0ec79ad2f754) and [had CoC.](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fwhy-do-so-many-ppl-think-rocks-and-harald-only-have-acoc-v0-wqjud10ytjyg1.png%3Fwidth%3D640%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D32506eff5abae69c2933a020806b8418a4c175a7)

However, it’s undeniable his regeneration made Gaban see him as the world destroying weapon. We know this because it’s in the same fucking page. If you’re somebody who scales BM below Primebeard, give her the same nigh limitless regeneration and she’d be very capable of taking down Newgate too.

Again, I shouldn’t be needing to make a new thread to discuss this. This is for reductivist morons who are desperate to cliff the Old Gen and cherry-pick out of context panels and twist them to push an agenda.

More to come.

TL;DR: This thread rant is about Gaban, not Imu. I’ll save that for another day.

Not including that panel where Luffy takes Kizaru’s attack meant for somebody else or hurts himself on Warcury.

And I’m expected to believe he didn’t just breeze through the arc.

> b-but that panel of Luffy boxing

Breeze.

> The Narrative:

The Yonkou are all monsters. Their sheer presence forces the World Government to turn its back on its public stance against piracy and ally with powerful pirates to keep the scales balanced. 

> The Succeeding Arcs:

Luffy after unlocking G5 and becoming relative to Kaido fights both the Admirals and the Gorosei, Imu’s most powerful soldiers. He completely breezes through these fights and is completely superior stats wise, only losing because of a time limit to his powers.

In the next arc he gears up to fight a weakened Imu in Elbaf, albeit probably to get his ass kicked. 

There is virtually little difference between Wano Luffy and Egghead/Elbaf Luffy. Even if Luffy has gone moderately stronger, he is not beating Wano Luffy with anything less than a High-Extreme Diff.

> The Fans:

”Jajajajaja el Old Gen is redundante“

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A sharp rise in power creep is usually a sign of a lack of planning from the writer. Oda’s already guilty of this with the discrepancies between the pretimeskip and the post-timeskip. Let’s hope it doesn’t turn into DBZ so you guys can jerk your favourite.

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TL;DR: I think some of you n’wahs actually hate OP.

… would you concede that these two gentlemen were likely cliffed by the rest of the Old Gen?

Unless you’re willing to argue uphill that ackshually Luffy already surpassed Roger and Oda is just slow to the update (unlike OPPS).

Simple as.

In a thousand years time they’ll have legends of all the tales Luffy accomplished too.

Then you have these three.

Luffy is faster and has better CoO than his supposed CoO speedster cook.

He also has superior CoA, ACoC and general AP than his hard-hitting right-hand swordsman.

It’s funny how much he invalidates his own crew.

It‘s likely they would have lost and I know Shanks did stop him but you can‘t deny the sheer, brass balls Kaido had.

It’s a shame that Wano mindbroke the fandom and they’re choosing to actively shitpost and say Kaido sneaked WB. I didn’t know you could sneak a Pirate Emperor who’s surrounded by every single one of his commanders (14 in WB’s case) while you only have by your side your right-hand man. The equivalence of this would be Luffy and Zoro ‘sneaking’ the entire Red-Hair Pirates by attacking them upfront.

RIP Rumour Man. You were a madlad and will be missed.

> Shanks defeated Loki who can low diff the entire Old Gen

> thus meaning he can neg diff the Old Gen

> Kaido was alone with only King as his support (who Shanks can CoC neg diff)

> killing Kaido would have avenged his buddy Oden and liberated his homeland Wano - two birds in one stone

> the Navy/WG would be too occupied with the Ed War/the death of WB to be able to send out a force to occupy Wano meaning it was up for very easy grabs for him to be welcomed as a liberator by dethroning Orochi

It just don’t make no sense bros? Is Oda stupid?

My good friend is a Loki glazer and has spent the past few weeks in perpetual anxiety of how to grapple with the implications of when Luffy will fight Imu or the flashback where Shanks captures Loki.

For Luffy he’s already starting forming up a theory of how Loki can only use 10% of his strength because a mediocre doctor (in comparison to Chopper) said he was injured last year and it was never brought up since.

For Shanks he’s at a complete loss. He’s decided to preemptively upscale Shanks and say he too can take on Roger+Garp simultaneously just like his el hero senor Loki. He needs some evidence for this however as he’s managed to move the goalposts and dodge hard questions thus far but he’s reaching the end of that road.

Can you please help my friend develop his cope collage?

No more

> “Hehe, you really think Oda would make the weakest admiral in history just to hype up Rocks”

Ironically this is one of the few times real narratives come into play in OPPS and it’s flying right over most people’s heads.

Shanks and Blackbeard are diametrically opposed. One values his crew and friends while the other would happily backstab them all for a shot at more power. One built up his strength for a lifetime of hard work and solid genetics the other bated his time until a golden opportunity arrived for major power ups. One is the son of a D. clan member the other the son of a Celestial Dragon.

Oda spent decades building up and linking these two men as opposing figures only for OPPS to crack the code and figure out that despite it all Shanks ambushes and jumps people that he finds moderately difficult to deal with, just like Blackbeard. Brilliant work.

What diff is TB Luffy (no shadows) vs EL Lucci?

I personally have it at TB Luffy low-diff. He learned to use his gears a lot more effectively and has better control. Plus he gets stronger every arc or something like that I heard.

Can we, the fans, accept that Lucci was powercliffed by pre-timeskip villains alone?

For Loki, even if it was a crew vs Loki fight, if you think Shanks wasn’t leading from the front and did the brunt of the work so his crew would be in less danger - you have zero (0) reading comprehension.