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Li Muwan— the most misunderstood character in the fandom.

So I wanted to do a little post about Li Muwan, because I've noticed a lot of people are getting the wrong idea about her.

Ever wonder how much hidden strength and deep love Li Muwan really holds? The author didn't give Li Muwan a ton of screen time, but even with just these few scenes, she has such a complete, independent personality that you can really feel through the plot details.

Spoilers ahead from the novel

Li Muwan lost her parents at a young age. She and her brother relied on each other for survival.

The Fire Beast would have erupted sooner or later, but if Wang Lin hadn't triggered it early, Li Muwan's hometown wouldn't have been destroyed prematurely, and she wouldn't have been forced to flee. In the critical moment, she firmly offered her Distant Heaven Pill and alchemy skills to trade for help. Wang Lin intervened, and the two of them fled together into the cave to hide, depending on each other for their survival.

Before, Li Muwan cleared out the misunderstanding and left a good impression on Wang Lin.

When Wang Lin was besieged. Li Muwan stood alone guarding his cave, stalling the enemy at the cost of her own life. She was just at the Foundation Establishment stage, yet held off ten core formation cultivators for three whole days and nights. When the formation broke, she picked up the sword and fought, choosing death to give in to the enemies she couldn’t beat. That's when you get it that she is not weak, she's just gentle. Real strength isn't about being loud or having sharp weapons; it's about keeping your back straight and moving forward when everything's crashing down on you.

People say it’s stockholm syndrome, but how exactly it is when Wang Lin never tried to harm her, let alone abusing her. Even though she was super scared and guarded at first, she was also kinda testing his limits at the same time. She even mocked his formation on his face, setting up her own 214 linked formations and occupied three rooms out of the four in the cave, and Wang Lin just let her do whatever she wanted, he only wanted the pills.

Her kindness towards Wang Lin was just her nature, She never tried to constrain him with the righteous path, nor did she shy away from his sinister nature. It was her own choice and promise to refine pills for him to repay him for saving her life.

After hanging out and chatting quite a bit, she basically got a feel for who he really is. The fact that he didn't disrespect her showed he actually had some principles. It wasn't until later, when he saved her life in a critical moment, that she truly started catching feelings. Though he appeared decisive and ruthless, he was profoundly starved for love and a sense of belonging. His life-defying journey was always a solitary one. Li Muwan's gentleness, perceptiveness, and calmness were like an antidote, neutralizing the murderous aura that enveloped him.

He didn’t know why he had said “Don’t be afraid, I’ll take you to kill…” but he knew at that moment that those words had come out naturally, and for the first time he wanted to protect someone with his life.

This resolute figure had used her heart blood to inscribe the Azure Dragon Jade Slip onto the scale, leading her to damage her foundation formation, the pale face that made his heart ached. But at that time, he was being hunted by people whose hatred for him ran as deep as the ocean. He could only tell himself to forget all the suffering she had gone through and sent her back.

She was gentle and perceptive, but more so because she was resilient. While devoted, she was not clingy, understanding that he had his own path to follow. She carved the Azure Dragon Jade Slip formation array to keep him safe, to express her gratitude, all without conditions, purpose, or expectation of reward. And went her separate ways, believing if they were meant to be, they would cross paths again.

Without the Distant Heaven Pill, Wang Lin would never have successfully reached core formation. If it weren't for Li Muwan's jade slip, Wang Lin might have died.

Wang Lin then had a poignant moment of remembering Li Muwan while in Qi Lin City. And he forcefully removed her from his mind because he couldn’t reciprocate her feelings, not until he is strong enough to protect her.

Li Muwan was neither fragile nor a saint. She had her own pursuits and pride in alchemy; when her sect collapsed, she was all alone, wandering around, and just trying to survive. She rescued an orphan, Zhou Lin, even when she herself was in a precarious situation, teaching him alchemy—like a teacher and mother combined. A lot of people can be kind when things are easy. The real test shows up when you’re barely holding yourself together—and yet choose to have compassion for others.

She worked her way up from nothing to a Fifth-grade alchemist, and was the only Core Formation elder at the Cloud Sky sect.

The text repeatedly highlights her sharp wit and intelligence. She never makes empty promises for self-preservation; her words carry weight.

When faced with the forced marriage, she secretly forged the main cauldron to give herself the confidence to leave at any time. It can be said that she is deeply strategic.

She could read ancient texts and cracked the seal on the Seventh-Grade Qingyun Pill on her own.

She secured the Sect Master position through her own abilities, made lifespan pills, respected elders, and won everyone over with sincerity. Becoming her own support.

Why does Li Muwan's love resonate with people, is because her love is without any pressure and demand. Li Muwan truly understands love. If a relationship isn't mutual, it's meaningless. So if Wang Lin doesn't respond to her, she naturally has no reason to keep clinging.

After all, she has her own affairs to deal with—being forced into marriage. She knows her foundation is damaged and has no time to waste on Wang Lin. So when Wang Lin appeared, she chased after him. if she missed this chance, she might not have another opportunity to get a clear answer. She just forced Wang Lin to give her an answer— whether he rejects her or not, she'll accept it. It's that simple. She just can't accept ambiguity.

At the same time, she refused to compromise or settle; a favor is a favor, and affection is affection. If she doesn't like someone, she just doesn't like them, so she always keeps a cold face towards Sun Zhenwei.

If Wang Lin didn't come looking for her later, she was prepared to blow up her cauldron, take her disciple, and leave. Her high intelligence is not only reflected in her strategies but also in her emotions. She loves and hates boldly, and is decisive without clinging on. She wouldn’t have threatened Wang Lin with her death if Wang Lin didn’t have any feelings for her.

When Wang Lin returned, She used the same cauldron to support his cultivation. All the pills she made were used to support her lover; she never asked for anything back, and even rest assured him that if he fails, she still has a way out and he could rely on her.

It’s also important to note that Li Muwan never settles for anything less, she looked down on his avatar, his original self is the one she has feelings for.

If not with Li Muwan’s help, Wang Lin would still be on the path of avenging his parents, remember that Teng Hua Yuan is also getting stronger.

After Wang Lin stormed the wedding, he realised his newly formed Nascent soul is unstable. In that vulnerability, he turned to her to protect him. The words were simple, but carried the weight of everything he had never allowed himself to show; by asking her to protect him, he admitted that the bond cuts both ways—that her presence, her strength, her willingness to stand with him mattered as much as his ability to fight for her.

She loved him so much, but she never turned her love into a cage or a bunder for him, she made this clear, firm choice to stay. It's not that she didn't want to be with him; she just understood too well the kind of enemies waiting in Zhao. The same protective instinct that once made him push her away, lived in her as well. She would not burden him with her presence when presence itself could become a liability. She would not let him divide his attention between revenge and her safety. Instead she would manage the sect on his behalf, refining pills for everyone, and maintaining a stable foundation he could return to, the willingness to wait again, to accompany him from a distance, and to trust that their bond is strong enough to survive another separation.

I don’t get why people keep harping on Wang Lin leaving her behind, when it was a mutual agreement between them, he wanted to take her with him but it was her own choice to stay and keep things stable for him. Is Wang Lin not even allowed to respect his wife’s decisions?

When her lifespan was running out, she did her best to cure herself and wait for his return. She treats people with dignity, neither humble nor arrogant. Doesn't cling to others or look down on anyone based on background.

As an Elder, she focused on her craft. As Sect Master, she honored elders and cared for juniors.

When enemies invaded, she calmly directed everyone to scout, set formations, and evacuate disciples.

She missed her parents and home country, proving she never forgot her roots, just because of time.

A character's beautiful, independent personality isn't built on fancy words or grand declarations, or the author constantly telling us how outstanding she is. It lives in these small, subtle details.

These moments feel unforced. They reveal independence, dignity, and quiet strength without ever announcing them. Her personality feels lived-in rather than constructed, which is why she lingers in readers’ minds.

When her lifespan was almost over and her Nascent Soul was about to shatter, Wang Lin fought the reincarnation cycle to give her a chance to live. But when she found out that it means sacrificing an innocent child, she broke through the protective formation herself. She would rather dissipate than build her continued existence on someone else’s suffering, just to be with him.

She refused because it would mean destroying an innocent life. Her compassion for ordinary people, for the weak and uninvolved, outweighed even her own desire to remain by his side.

That choice is pure principle. In a cultivation world where the strong routinely treat the lives of others as resources, she still drew a hard line she would not cross. And in doing so, she also protected Wang Lin.

She chose humanity over love, letting go of her feelings and supporting Wang Lin's humanity, preventing him from paying the moral prince in the process of trying to keep her. She loved him deeply, yet she would not let that love become the reason either of them to abandon what is right.

She called herself “dumb” and said she had let him down, because she felt the pain it would cause him. And only ever asked Wang Lin to take good care of himself, telling him that she had no regrets and no resentment. Her love is like water, inclusive and free. The moment she accepted death, she let go, only hoping that her beloved could take good care of himself, with no other requests. But she was the only person Wang Lin couldn’t let go of.

Her path was never about proving strength through battle or climbing higher than everyone else. It was about staying gentle in a world that rewards cruelty, staying true to herself when everything is falling apart. Refusing to become someone you don’t respect. When she said "I've been waiting for you for so long," behind those words is two hundred years of never giving up. When she said "I'm content with loving you in this life," behind that is a heart that's stayed pure through all the storms.

Her smile stayed. Completed. Fulfilled. Contented. Upholding her beliefs and carrying her love for him, to use all her strength within the scope of what can be protected, and to accept serenely what cannot be changed.

Li Muwan’s presence in the story isn’t built on being the most stunning or the most powerful. But because she remained complete in herself in a world that constantly tries to break people.

She has her own quiet strength, her own principles, her own life and goals that don’t orbit around Wang Lin. Her love is "whole", when she loves him, it doesn’t come from emptiness, desperation or a sense of needing someone. She simply chooses him, supports him, and waits with quiet strength.

The time they share is limited, interrupted, and often overshadowed by danger or his own burdens, yet she meets it with acceptance. She doesn’t measure love by quantity or constant presence. What little she receives, she holds dearly and finds enough.

Wang Lin is the opposite. By the time Li Muwan enters his life, he has already lost almost everything—his family, his original dreams, any sense of safety or warmth. In that emptiness, the quiet, steady affection she offers becomes disproportionately precious. It isn’t “very little” to him. It’s the single bright thread that still connects him to humanity.

That’s why he cannot let go. For him, she isn’t just a lover or a memory. She is his ultimate salvation. So while she could be content with the little they had, he spends the rest of his existence trying to bring her back.

After her physical death, Li Muwan’s character shifts from an active character to the main thread of the entire novel.

The novel frames her state as in a 'no strength to wake up' where her soul/consciousness remains present and aware. She can sense Wang Lin's presence, his loneliness, and the surrounding events; the occasional tears are presented as her emotional response despite lacking the strength or means to fully awaken or act.

Wang Lin is preserving and grinding for the person he knows is still there, not interacting with a dead body as an object.

She becomes his Dao heart, and the Illusions of her appear during all his major trials, testing and affirming that she is the core of his path and cultivation, with other arcs empathising on her as an active character again.

Later in the story, the existence of the major events as well as major characters like Slaughter, All-seer, all ended up revolving around Wang Lin’s quest to resurrect her.

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u/xixilicious — 4 days ago

Ergenverse: Wang Lin, Li Muwan, Slaughter, and Wang Yiyi

This post is mainly about Wang Lin, Li Muwan, and Slaughter’s appearance in Er Gen’s other works

Wang Lin’s entire cultivation path is defined by his family, unlike many protagonists who cultivate primarily for strength, status, or glory. Wang Lin is repeatedly shown as someone who walks against the heavens for his personal, human bonds.

He started cultivating for his parents, then cultivated for his wife, Li Muwan. And In the author’s other works, he cultivated for his daughter, Wang Yiyi.

Heavy spoilers ahead from— Renegade Immortal, Pursuit Of The Truth, I Shall Seal The Heavens, A World Worth Protection, Beyond The Timescape.

I don’t know how to use a spoiler tag, thus putting a banner, proceed at your own risk.

In Renegade Immortal’s postscript, Er Gen wonders whether the main body or the avatar is by whose side, but the main story still clearly states where the main body is, and the answer is by Li Muwan's side. The biggest proof is Slaughter.

The entire Möbius loop took place between Wang Lin and Slaughter— Wang Lin’s other avatars had no idea. Slaughter left crucial clues that only the original Wang Lin could discover. The sole goal of the loop is the resurrection of Li Muwan. It's concluded that no matter what kind of situation Wang Lin encountered in his life, his final destination will always be Li Muwan.

Er Gen gave the clone of Wang Lin to his beloved Mu Bingmei, and later Wang Lin had an ultimate showdown with All-seer to extract One Realm Essence to revive Li Muwan; the avatar could not defeat All-seer. Wang Lin only gave Mu Bingmei a clone and bid her farewell— Wang Ping was with him only.

Also, Slaughter going to fuse with Wang Lin happened after Wang Lin was about to cross the bridge with Li Muwan.

Slaughter is the fourth step cultivator and him fusing with Wang Lin’s clone makes zero sense. He even looked down on his original self— the clones are not even worth mentioning in front of him. Earlier, when fighting, he found the avatar affecting his performance and directly expelled it, and if it dared to block his way, he would simply disperse them. If in the end, it was Wang Lin’s clone— Slaughter would have devoured him and not fused back.

Er Gen’s second book, The pursuit of truth (2012), the epilogue clearly stated that Wang Lin and Li Muwan are together, pursuing the Great Dao together. Wang Lin held Li Muwan’s hand and remarked that cultivation has no end. She replied that she will always stay by his side, and even if they never reach the ultimate end of their Dao they can enter the cycles of life and death together. Old Man Extermination looked at them from afar, sent his good wishes their ways, and they then walked into the distant galaxy.

Er Gen’s third book, I Shall Seal The Heavens (2014), clearly stated that Wang Lin is accompanied by Li Muwan, entering the Vast Expanse. Also, expanded on Slaughter’s character and personality.

Another piece of proof that Wang Lin who accompanied Li Muwan is the original body, is that the Vast Expanse rejected him and they turned to leave in reluctance; whereas Slaughter could freely enter Vast Expanse.

Wang Lin’s original body is the one who fought against Allheaven and cut his finger. Which imbued him with "God Essence" which led to him becoming "The God" in ISSTH.

Slaughter hated Wang Lin because he believed he loved Li Muwan more and despite merging with Wang Lin to stay with her— Wang Lin discarded him and eloped with Li Muwan alone. He later went to find Wang Lin and Li Muwan.

The Cave World is the created, restricted “pocket” world within the Immortal Astral Continent. The Immortal Astral Continent is the vastly larger-world that contains such cave worlds, home to far higher cultivation ceilings, the Celestial and Ancient Clans.

Mu Bingmei never reincarnated, so she always stayed in the Cave World with a clone. Furthermore, the Immortal Astral Continent was later destroyed by Allheaven.

During the ancient cosmic wars, Allheaven attempted to consume the powerful entities within his domain to sustain his own life force. As a result, the Immortal Astral Continent and the surrounding universe faced immense destruction. Wang Lin turned his back and chose to not intertwine.

Later, Wang Lin used his powers to create a completely real, autonomous, and perfected brand-new Immortal Astral Continent. It is there that his real family resided in a hidden cave dwell, entirely safe from Allheaven’s grasp.

Er Gen’s fifth book, A World Worth Protecting (2018), the female lead is Wang Yiyi, the daughter of Wang Lin and Li Muwan. Wang Yiyi’s hometown is in the Immortal Astral Continent— that was created by Wang Lin, she lives with her parents (Wang Lin and Li Muwan) in a seemingly ordinary, plain hillside cave that is actually an independent, infinitely vast cosmic paradise inside.

In ISSTH, Allheaven held a grudge against Wang Lin for cutting off one of his fingers and thus cursed his bloodline/blood relatives. However, this curse only took effect on Wang Yiyi (In AWWP), Wang Lin planned for ten thousand years to remove Wang Yiyi's curse, begging everywhere and even willing to kneel before others.

Wang Ping is a child of Liu Mei and Wang Lin’s clone—he is not a direct blood relative of Wang Lin, therefore, the curse did not take effect on him. If Wang Yiyi is Mu Bingmei’s daughter, she wouldn’t have been cursed. Since Wang Lin’s clone and Mu Bingmei were living in the old cave world, how on earth would they run into Allheaven? Wang Lin only got cursed after he chopped off one of Allheaven’s fingers.

The Skill Wang Yiyi asked Wang Baole to learn was the 'Dao sculpture' of Slaughter, a skill only attainable by Wang Lin, who had fused with Slaughter. It should be noted that Wang Lin's original self did not cultivate the Dao sculpture.

The second story Wang Lin told Sun De in the village was his own story with Li Muwan, the story of saving his wife. And he also put empathises on what Slaughter did for Li Muwan. Only the original Wang Lin has the memories of Slaughter.

Because his wife, Li Muwan, was right there, he told his own story to save his daughter. The first story was about Su Ming, The devil. The third story was about Meng Dao.

Wang Lin, in order to save his daughter, devised a plan for the male protagonist, Wang Baole, to become immortal, and to give his past and future to Wang Yiyi to break the curse. Along the way, Wang Lin teaches all his unique skills to Wang Baole, making him his half-mentor.

Li Muwan's first appearance was in a red dress, and Wang Yiyi's first appearance was also in a red dress. Wang Yiyi only wore white clothes when she grew up.

The description of Wang Yiyi's mother is exactly the same as the description of Li Muwan in RI. Her mother was not an absolute beauty but a gentle and graceful one. Anyone who has read RI knows her mother could only be Li Muwan.

Wang Lin even wanted Li Muwan to be the mother of Wang Ping, but he would go around and have a child with Mu Bingmei? Makes zero sense.

When Li Muwan closed her eyes, Er Gen only wrote about her temperament but that doesn’t mean she was ordinary-looking.

Li Muwan was a beauty, a mesmerizing beauty. Her elegant poise, ethereal face, though slightly pale, possessed a captivating charm that stirred the hearts. She was truly beautiful resembling a lotus fairy, a vision of divinity, utterly picturesque.

In AWWP worldview, there is no absolute beauty like Mu Bingmei, so it’s not shocking that Wang Yiyi is described as "unsurpassed beauty".

Wang Yiyi’s eyes hold an indomitable spirit, a tenacity, and a determination that seemed capable of slaying even the gods.

Sounds exactly like Wang Lin? Wang Lin stood out because of his temperament and personality, not because of his appearance. Ultimately, after restoring her soul, she went back to her home on Immortal Astral Continent with her father, leaving Wang Baole behind.

Er Gen’s latest novel, Beyond The Timescape (2022), years after the completion of Renegade Immortal, Er Gen still mentioned the story of saving the wife. During the insight, Xu Qing encountered several special figures across the vastness of space-time. The one who accompanied him most often was the black-clothed figure who repeatedly reached out to reverse or restart everything, over and over again.

When Xu Qing asked, the black-clothed figure explained that he is trying to bring his wife back to life. The black-clothed figure was Slaughter. And his wife was Li Muwan.

Xu Qing later had a brief encounter with Wang Lin;

My Surname Is Xu!

My Surname Is Wang!

But because the fans kept arguing over Wang Yiyi’s mother and making up theories that Wang Lin had three wives. The author came out and cleared things himself, his words are a permanent stamp, shutting down the arguments.

In 2020, Er Gen did not only confirm Li Muwan as Wang Yiyi’s mother, but also confirmed that Wang Lin has only one wife— Li Muwan.

Previously, Er Gen said that Liu Mei was supposed to be a female lead in the outline, but because Li Muwan became too popular so he changed it to Li Muwan as serialized novels are naturally adjusted based on reader feedback and monthly ticket responses. After the novel was completed and the anime aired, Qidian's official website also updated the character profiles, clearly identifying Wang Lin and Li Muwan as the main characters. Their story did not completely end after RI but continued in almost all other Er Gen’s works. Ultimately, Wang Lin reached the tenth step of his cultivation, and Li Muwan was still by his side.

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u/xixilicious — 26 days ago

Li Muwan - Final Product Photoshoot

The cherry blossoms and glowing lanterns in the background frame her perfectly, creating that classic, almost poetic night-scene atmosphere that suits her character so well.

She looks ethereal with her soft blue-and-white robes flowing with a natural grace, her long black hair cascades gently, catching the moonlight.

u/xixilicious — 27 days ago

Fanart of Slaughter/Lu Mo. Truly cannot wait to see the best character in action.

Standing in that blood-soaked ruin under a sky split by lightning is Lu Mo— silent, pale skin, hair like a black dragon, robes that drink the light. Blood drips from his one hand and webs of fate and death cling to the jagged peaks behind him. This is his nature. An embodiment of death.

And yet, cupped carefully in his other hand, is a glowing blue lotus. That flower is Li Muwan.

Carrying both at once; the endless capacity for destruction in one hand, and the fragile, glowing proof that even death itself can fall in love.

It did not soften the slaughter. It simply grew alongside it, like a single luminous lotus rising from a field of skulls. In the end, that love was pure enough that he chose to erase himself, so she could stand beside the one she truly loved— never knowing his existence, who had suffered thousands of lifetimes for her sake.

u/xixilicious — 1 month ago

Happy Qixi Festival (七夕节, Qīxī Jié), also known as the Chinese Valentine’s Day, to Wang Lin and Li Muwan.

u/xixilicious — 2 months ago

Donghua subreddit

What is wrong with the Donghua subreddit?? They wouldn't even allow a simple appreciation post for a character? Over a year, I have noticed the mods have a particular dislike towards renegade immortal but what harm did this post cause to anyone or anything?

u/xixilicious — 2 months ago
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Silver-haired Li Muwan from Renegade Immortal

Li Muwan looks even more stunning and ethereal with her silver hair, although the other look is stunning too. It's sad that her silver hair means she is reaching her end.

Wang Lin and Li Muwan also matched perfectly, a silver-haired couple! (I’m glad they kept his avatar’s hair as silver in the donghua, instead of black).

u/xixilicious — 3 months ago