r/ADCMains

I Hate Supports. I Hate Supports. I Hate Supports.

I Hate Supports. I Hate Supports. I Hate Supports.

I Hate Supports. I Hate Supports. I Hate Supports

Since they want to keep that mechanic it would be pretty easy to balance the game with classes rather than positions.

Marskman might get the full item + 10% ad (number pulled out of my ass at the moment) but the latter is granted only on the botlane.

You can nerf cringe chapter and add the mana reg bonus to mages granted only on mid

Supports get their bonuses based on the supp item they choose

Top based if they are Juggernaut, tanks or fighters

It could open a whole world to the gameplay and we can stop heavily nerfing champs for their intended role because they go to another lane (Vayne)

You can even add a class a malus going to a lane since they don't want a class going to a specific lane.(particularly ADCs going mid and top)

Subclasses can help for niche style-gameplay picks and you are available to pick one. (Always using Vayne as example could either choose Marksman or Assassin style)

Game easier to balance, removing cringe picks, I don't see any downside of this idea in a season we're mages play 5 different lanes.

I hadn't played in months, used to play a lot of Jinx, tried to get back.

Absolutely miserable experience, everyone including the support pops me like a balloon, meanwhile it's like my damage is non existent even at 3 items, I dont know how you people play this game consistently

Feel free to upvote me swaggers, yall are the biggest bunch of winners, useful even without anyone holding your hand, not expecting everyone to play around you, only to instakill anyone able to get within 5 feet of you. Amazing.

Since the original post by u/Tendies_please has been deleted, here is the original text of the poster:

Feel free to downvote me losers, yall are the biggest bunch of whiners, useless without anyone holding your hand, expect everyone to play around you, only to insta die to anyone able to get within 5 feet of you. Disgusting.

i started to play adc again,i know some matchups and i usually play kai'sa,jhin or caitlyn

and i really dont get how am i supposed to play against something like full lethality j4 or full ap malphite

i know generic advice,"save your flash","buy guardian angel","buy zhonyas if you play kaisa" etc.

is this the ultimate fate of adc meta right now?Doing absolutely nothing until 3rd item and getting one-shotted by anything?

I am not an ADC one trick by any means but this is something i have noticed, mages/enchanters and especially enchanters will use their abilities then just round around behind me refusing to auto. Your auto does 40-55 damage and inside of laning phase it is absolutely critical if your abilities are on cooldown.

And if i bring it up i get a sarcastic response like "you want ME to auto attack?"

Hello,

I'm having trouble building a champion pool, and id like some help.

My duo is an otp Nami and i wonder what champs work best with her. I enjoy playing almost every ADC, aside from maybe Kalista and Kog.

Right now i just pick whatever and don't really stick to anything.

What adcs would you play if u perma had a Nami as supp?

Hey, I’ve been playing league since xin zhao was a new champ, so for quite a while now (had some minor gaps over the years, but played semi consistently). When focusing on playing ranked, I usually reached mid platinum from season 3 onwards (divisions got inflated since then, no idea what the equivalent would be today). Currently hovering around emerald, so not super high but I think that I have enough experience and knowledge of the game at this point to be able to make some quasi-educated takes on the current meta state. I like to switch champs often so climbing is hard, but I would argue more enjoyable. So gather around and listen kids, grandpa needs to let some farts out.

As you can all now see with classic, current league is way different than the early days, and classic is not even anywhere close to S1. A lot has changed, and I would argue that pretty much everything is better now. You can queue for your role, there are things like lobby auto bans and loss mitigation, afk checks and what not. Quality of life for solo queue has improved tremendously over the years, compared to S1 at least. Not all changes are perfect, there will always be some bumps on the road, but the general direction is IMO up. I can queue solo, and expect at least a decent experience playing my selected roles 90% of the time.

That being said, not all roles are created equal, and I do think that is either by design, or it’s the result of years of tweaks by riot. A lot of people now complain about support being op and having too much gold and agency over the game, especially AP supports. These people probably don’t remember how much it fucking sucked to play a support in 2012, when all you had was gold per 5 items, and the passive gold income was lower. All you had was your level, and maybe 1-2 finished items by the end of the game. Maybe. Nobody wanted to play support, and I don’t blame them. Riot made a lot of changes that made a lot of champions viable for the support role, and that is an objectively good thing. Again, not all changes are perfect, but the direction is right.

Personally I’ve played all lanes for at least a year each, and I must say that one thing has been always consistent, the ADC average experience always felt the least enjoyable. Not because the role is not fun, the power fantasy of melting people from a distance is definitely there, but it’s very difficult to reach it consistently, and that is in my opinion the main source of frustration. League games got shorter over the years. Uncs like me have less time to play, so for me personally it’s nice that the game ends after 20-30 minutes, and not 45+. Unfortunately for most adcs, that means they need to play most of the game before they get their biggest power spike at 3 items. Early game for ADC is difficult, low agency, most other champions can explode you in under 2 seconds. Hardly fun at all. You bear all of that for the promise of the late-game amazing carry experience, which unfortunately doesn’t come to you consistently (game ends early, you got camped and can’t get back to the game etc.). All other roles have more consistency in how they provide fun, and ADC is really a lot of delayed gratification. Top and mid have stuff going on from the start, you usually see champs there that can do things on their own (fight, roam, shove lane for turret gold etc.). You get what you want from the get go.

I mained ADC for a few years, it’s my favorite role in general, and only switched to jungle main again the last few months, and oh boy is it a different experience. I play what I signed for from the start, and haven’t had that much fun in years. Don’t get me wrong, I love playing ADC and still do on occasion, but it often feels more like a chore than a game, and I have enough chores outside of league.

All that being said, I think I know why riot is hesitant in buffing the ADC role in general. Things can go haywire very quickly if not handled correctly. I still remember the early days when Twitch got a few early kills, and then just proceeded to terrorize everyone all game long. If you got an early lead, due to a heavier focus in getting gold from farming/kills, some ADC would just turn into uncontrollable blenders that would kill anything. The overall damage in game was lower, so it was harder to burst people, which means that a fed ADC was much harder to remove from a fight, especially if they had lifesteal to heal back up from the initial burst. And lifesteal was higher and easier to buy back then, vampiric scepter just gave flat 10% for something like 450 gold iirc. Or they could just buy a warmog, what is your 1/8/2 ass going to do about that huh? And it wasn’t really a fun experience in general, the snowball was real. Games were sometimes decided in the first 5 minutes, and then you were held captive for the next 30+, because it took way longer to destroy all the turrets etc.

So, all in all, I think that the game is generally in a much better state than 15 years ago (Jesus Christ time flies by). The ADC role just didn’t evolve with the times as much as others did, and that is on riot. They should rethink the whole role in general, and rescale its power curve to current game length better. Maybe take off some of the max damage potential for the sake for a slightly better early game? Maybe not. I think that the ADC quest is a step in the right direction, it helps getting more gold a bit earlier in the mid game, which is nice. Maybe they are close to actually fixing ADC sometime soon? Who knows?

And as a mandatory grumpy old man comment, you little shits don’t even know how good you have now. Look at the current bot lane meta as ADC holidays. Play other roles, pick some new champs, try to enjoy the game in other ways for some time. Send emails to riot support, be vocal but respectful. They probably don’t read Reddit a lot, but they will definitely notice an uptick is support cases reported as they most likely pay some other company to handle them, and that costs money. I’m pretty sure that it’s not a coincidence that miss fortune has that many skins, and if those stop selling because people play veigar now, I’m sure they’ll notice. Vote with your wallet, that’s the best thing you can do to make a big company notice, trust this corporate unc on this one.

For anyone that got to this point, thank you for reading and I hope you can still find a way to have fun in league.

I love seeing adc player crying about mage being played bot because I know its divine retribution for all them that played Top lane Vayne, Varus, Smolder, Kalista etc. (even if adc top is much more painful to play against than mage bot)

It's crazy how I went from iron to emerald and BARELY noticed any improvement on supports, sometimes they're even worse when you climb because they try to emulate higher elos thinking they're doing something good but fail to understand why it works and they just end up doing more harm than good.

I still have to beg them for wards and contest vision, spam ping that we shouldn't play too agressive when we don't see enemy jgl/mid, I abandoned any hope of trying to help them with items because they get tilted when I ping an item I want them to buy (especially heal reduction for some reason), they DO NOT KNOW anything about wave management not in the slightest and have no idea what the green ping means (it means help me push for God's sake).

Grubs spawning = they are FORCED BY DREW LEVIN HIMSELF to go there no matter what, and they will stay there until the last grub is dead.

Top/mid is getting destroyed = they will throw any lead you had botlane to go help that laner (it rarely results in anything good because there's a reason they're getting gapped in the first place)

And that's just macro issues that didn't go away in EMERALD, I know it's not high elo still how do you get there while still doing all these mistakes in addition of being HORRENDOUS at your most played champion (I've had an emerald 2 milio main that always shielded me AFTER I took damage and that's just the tip of the iceberg)

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/e/2PACX-1vQNYjgxfQLXGP3I6q8cdgFAfzybpxG3EadTY6Mro2rW97\_4LSiw1fcTfILhHbB5U45\_joyQfheaxYn8/pub?start=false&loop=false&delayms=60000

MIDNIGHT RANT INCOMING

After playing since S4 and countless rage uninstall into installing back, i'm finally done.

ADC role makes no sense to me anymore in modern league, all because riot catered to the lowest common denominator which are support players.

Even I, a low masta player climbing thanks to the LP inflation cant wrap my mind around support gameplay anymore.

Too many times this classic scheme unfoldss : we get a 2v2 kill in bot. The support takes the kill, no problem they will surely use this gold to dominate botlane even more. Surely, right ?

The first doubt arrives when they dont help crash the wave so i'm forced on a worse than optimal back. No biggies, just buy longsword and cull instead of BF, who needs item powerspikes after all ?

I close the shop, and head back to lane, but something does not feel right, the lane is empty, the minions are too close to the enemy tower. I check the first bush, nothing. I'm out of wards for the second bush. Luckily since this is a 2v2 lane, the support will be here to ward and play the 2v2 ? RIGHT ???

I check minimap, they are not here, probably still shopping since they had huge bags of gold to spend. Nope the shopkeeper said they left 30s ago. I open my GPS, it points to the bermuda triangle. Confused i look at the minimap.

And then it hits me, they fucking left again for no reason at 3 min efter denying as much gold as possible from me then leave botlane without any care in the world. But hey , NO BIGGIES they will surely do something useful on the map ? RIGHT ????

So now i try to survive 1v2, begging for each cs i take, vulnerable to any all in, any gank because there is nothing you can do except praying they dont force a dive to make u loose 3 waves on the crash.

But NO BIGGIES since the support will 1v9 the game , RIGHT ??? And then after an eternity passed, they come back, 3-3-0 in score, 800 gold up as janna against the leona. Proud of themselves they frontline to show how strong they are before dying in 3 second because they are fucking lv 4 vs lv6. And they bless you with the "Useless ADC, ff".

So congrats riot, you gave in to peopel who dont actually want to learn the game, the just want to click around the map while watching netflix. If people dont want to play support fine, let them, but at least rework ADC so we are not suffering for their mistakes.

So now i finally quit, and i already know what u will say, "See you tomorrow", not this time the last 2 weeks of game have been so miserable even working at mcdonalds would have been better. But at least i'm free, like an adult who is too tired to even care about his child tantrum, i say "i'm out"

Holy fuck I thought you guys were just blaming your supp when you misplayed, but they're legit the reason botlane goes to shit.

They don't belong in this elo, they're really miles behind in terms of skill level.

Last game I spectated, my friend was on Ivern. His botlane was Thresh / Jhin, into MF Supp (?) / Kai'sa.

Both supports had 0 impact the entire game.

Botlane only won because the Thresh was feeding his brains off. Managed to be 0/6 at 7 minutes-ish, while Jhin was trying his best to just clear waves and play passively. Thresh ditches lane, goes mid, feeds the enemy Talon 3 more kills. Ended up in a surrender a few minutes later despite everyone else being neutral, but the Kai'sa was already 9/0, and mid couldn't contest anything anymore thanks to Thresh.

AP MF goes Rylai (?) first item, never wards anything, and only presses E every few seconds, legitimately plays like a bot. Doing nothing was more useful than the Thresh trying to do anything at all.

Checked both of these players match history, and they just "ride along" the win or loss most games. They legit don't contribute to anything, they're essentially glorified Yuumis. Win more, or be the reason you lose.

I'm an ADC player who's trying to climb to Master, and recently I've noticed that supports seem to be much worse than they were a few months ago in the same elo.

I want to know if this is just my feeling or if it's actually something that's happening. I have to clarify that this isn't a flame post; I genuinely just want to know if other people have noticed the same thing.

Please try to be respectful in the comments, not just towards me, but towards others as well

Thanks!