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Thank you for your help! Mental fatigue questionnaire study update — how the scale was put together and what this round is doing
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Thank you for your help! Mental fatigue questionnaire study update — how the scale was put together and what this round is doing

Last month I posted here recruiting for my PhD study developing an acute and chronic scale measuring mental fatigue in sport. First off, I want to say a big thank you to everyone who took the time to fill it out. The responses have been brilliant and a few of the comments made me see the problem through a different lens, especially as my background is in climbing and weightlifting so seeing it from a runners perspective was really helpful. A few people also asked how the questionnaire was put together and what this round is doing, and I should have laid that out from the start. Full references are in a separate comment below.

Where the items came from

The scale is being developed following Boateng et al.'s (2018) framework for scale development, which is a detailed primer explaining how to develop and validate scales in behavioural and health science. The starting point was a wide search of the literature. I pulled items from two main sources: 16 measures of mental fatigue and mental load used in the general adult population (identified through Diaz-Garcia et al.'s 2021 systematic review), and 19 measures used in sport-specific contexts (identified through my own systematic scoping review of mental fatigue and mental load measurement tools in sport. I am looking to publish this soon). On top of that I added items developed from my readings of six papers that describe how athletes experience mental fatigue and what drives it (Van Cutsem et al., 2017; Martin et al., 2018; Pattyn et al., 2018; Russell et al., 2019; Gantois et al., 2020; Habay et al., 2021). That gave me a pool of 462 items.

Those 462 items went through a deductive thematic analysis (Braun & Clarke, 2006) at the latent level to identify the underlying domains, which reduced the pool to 105 items. During a team review with my supervisors, it became clear there were two distinct constructs that needed separating: acute mental fatigue (the momentary state right now, before or after a session) and chronic mental fatigue (the longer pattern that builds over weeks and months). The five themes that came out of the analysis were inputs contributing to mental fatigue, motivation, perception of effort, decisional balance, and the influence of mental fatigue on behaviour.

Expert review with subject matter experts

The next step was getting six subject matter experts to review every item. The panel was deliberately mixed: researchers in mental fatigue, an exercise physiologist, a cognition specialist, someone with scale development expertise, a professional coach, and an athlete as end-users. Putting athletes on the panel was important, because items that make perfect sense to experts can land badly when you try to use them in a training context. Each item was rated on appropriateness, representativeness, and clarity using Hardesty and Bearden's (2004) sum-score decision rule, and items that didn't make the cut got removed. Some items were reworded based on expert feedback (for example, "tiredness" was changed to "fatigue" across several items to keep the construct clean). That process left 43 items for acute and 51 for chronic, which is what's currently being distributed.

What this round is doing

This round is about dimensionality and item reduction phase. The data from everyone who fills it in goes into an exploratory factor analysis, which takes that wide item pool and works out which items group together and load cleanly onto meaningful factors, then cuts the ones that don't. The finalised scale is a much shorter and captures the underlying structure without the redundancy. The goal is well under 20 items total across both acute and chronic. Although I am at the mercy of the analysis as to what the final number will be.

As such the current length isn't an accident. Starting wide and cutting based on real participant data is the only way to do this properly. But I'm fully aware that it makes the experience heavier than the final tool will be, and that's a trade-off I'm asking participants to accept to achieve high rigour.

I received feedback that some items felt unclear or hard to map onto their own experience. I want to be upfront that this is useful information. Items that don't sit naturally with athletes tend to be exactly the ones that don't load cleanly in factor analysis. So, they should be removed through this process naturally.

What comes after

Once the analysis is complete and the scale is reduced, there's one more round after this focused on validation, looking at concurrent validity (does the new scale correlate with established measures of mental fatigue) and test-retest reliability (does it produce stable results across time). I'll be writing this round up as a paper either way, and I'll come back here with a summary including which items survived and what the final scale looks like. Happy to answer questions in the comments on the methodology or mental fatigue research in general too.

For anyone who hasn't filled it in yet, the link is below. It takes 10-15 minutes to complete and will help us get 1 step closer to understanding how work impacts the sport we love.

https://derby.questionpro.eu/t/AB3vCJoZB3waVr

Cheers.

Cam

u/Same_Row_761 — 1 day ago

Puma Project 3 Berlin & Boston

Has anyone heard anything about the Puma Project 3 results?

The winners were supposed to be announced on Monday, July 6. From what I've seen, it seems only selected participants are contacted, so if anyone here (or someone you know) has already been notified, I'd really appreciate if you could share.

Just trying to figure out whether they've already started reaching out or if we're all still waiting.

Good luck to everyone who applied! 🍀

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u/bllop12 — 1 day ago

Doing light strength work vs heavy compounds for marathoning?

Hi everyone - for those of you that strength train, I was wondering who is in the camp of using lighter weight/bodyweight exercises and focusing on mobility and who does heavy compound lifts (3-4 reps max of a heavy weight) for marathoning and what effects you see from your preferred style of lifting and why you do this.

I'm asking because I have been doing strength work about 2x/week for a few years now, focusing on full-body compound style movements. But I just feel like the strength work takes a lot out of my running (and sooooo much time out of my day!) to the point where I feel like I can't go as fast as I'd like in my workouts because I'm still experiencing lingering soreness from my lift (even if I wait 3 full days post-lift to do a faster workout). That said, I am considering pivoting to trying to use more home equipment (bands, light dumbbells, focusing more on mobility) for my "strength" days, and was wondering if anyone has experienced anything similar or has gone from heavy lifting to using minimal weight during marathon training/what that experience was like.

For context, I run about ~75ish-85ish mpw and am looking to break 2:53 in my marathon this fall.

TIA!

ETA: I do not know why people think I am lifting to failure, I am not. I am just a little sore and legs not completely fresh for my running workouts. I also lift on my hard days (typically once on my speed day and once on my long run day). If anyone has any resources or apps you like for strength training or similar experiences that would be helpful … thank you!

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u/sassylilmidge — 1 day ago

The Weekly Rundown for July 06, 2026

The Weekly Rundown is the place to talk about your previous week of running! Let's hear all about it!

Post your Strava activities (or whichever platform you use) if you'd like!

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u/AutoModerator — 1 day ago

Top European Spring Races

Hey all, I’m waiting on the results of the London marathon ballot. I’m racing Marine corps marathon in october, and doing 9+1 currently to do NYC again in 2027. Hoping to get a BQ time (21 yo male) and run sub 2:50 to race boston 2028. Assuming i don’t get london (as usual), what other fast races in nice cities do u all recommend this spring? I looked into Paris but i’m not a big fan of carrying my own water the whole time. I’ve heard good things about Vienna and Rome too but wondering if there’s any other big races in nice cities i may not be thinking of around march-may 2027?

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u/Candid_Buy_5650 — 1 day ago

XC Sub-17 Plan

If I do the following consistently and stay consistent in-season can I break 17 in XC and go sub 4:40 in track? What should I try to improve or add to my schedule and training. I know these are ambitious goals but I know I didn't hit my full potential this previous season, especially considering I didn't PR after the first meet and hit a wall. Thanks!

I am a rising junior with the following times:

800m- 2:13, 1600m - 4:57, 3200m - 11:00, and 5k XC - 18:32.

My previous training in-season has always been about 18-25 miles with 2 workouts and a mid-long run on Saturday. This winte, I got a private coach and didn't race in-school and got my mileage up to 35-38 miles for 8 weeks and did more intentional workouts. Then during spring I joined the school team again, and my mileage dropped and I slacked again, hitting the PRs above.

Now, in summer, I'm back with my private coach and building up to 35 miles and about 25 miles of biking outside per week. I also go to planet fitness for strength training (mon, wed, fri) hitting Push, Legs, Pull, and incorporating runner's specific exercises along with muscle building exercises. Then, once I maintain the mileage I will add 2 workouts per week again, and I assume it will be mostly tempos and intervals until we get closer to the start of XC. I also do hill and normal strides 2-3x a week, my kick at the end of a race is very weak and is a big factor holding me back, along with my mindset of "giving up" at the last portion of a race. Thanks again for any help!

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u/H_ngm_n2009 — 1 day ago

Need help as a high school distance runner

I am a rising junior in high school (meaning I just left 10th grade and am going into 11th) currently beginning my summer training block. Recently, (the past year or so) I have hit a major plateau with my running. And would like some help/advice for getting through my current hurdle.

For some backstory: I was not always an avid runner, but during my 8th grade year I decided to begin. This started as a mile or two every other day, eventually cumulating into around 20-30 mpw and a 22 minute 5k. The summer going into 9th grade (freshman) year I joined the cross country team, a known very successful program. Quickly I showed my ability as a runner, becoming the best freshman on the team. By the end of cross country season, I boasted a 17:16 5k and 50 mpw average. Track season then came up, and I ran decent, boasting prs of 9:34 for the 3k, and 4:33 for the 1500. My mileage was now around 55-60 mpw, and I was no longer the best freshman on the team. Then I began training for sophomore cross-country season, where I upped my mileage to 60-70 mpw and my coach began hitting us with harder and harder workouts. During this time, I also competed in a road 5k where I ran 16:35 and won my age category.
Sophomore season itself, however went to hell. My first race I ran 17:15, barely beating my pr from freshman year and placing second in my the JV division. I kept running low-mid 17s most of the season except for one race where I barely broke 17 and ran 16:56. At this point, I was a wreck. Combined with stress from school, a heatwave, and poor running performance, I fell into a mild depression and began hating myself. After each race I would beat myself up, ask myself what was wrong with me and at points consider quitting the sport. Nevertheless, I attempted to persevere, but these feelings cumulated at NXR that year where I blew up and ran 17:50, and then began profusely vomiting afterward. At the same time, all of my other teammates at the same age level as me are running amazing with the same training, breaking 16:30 and placing well in many of their races. I felt like a failure to not only myself, but the team. During winter break, I signed up for a half marathon, where I ran 1:22, a time that I was neither proud of or dissapointed in. It gave me some hope going into track season. Track season was another mess. I opened up with a 5:00 mile, an absolutely terrible time that placed me almost dead last on the team for mile times. I tried to ignore this “the mile/1500 isn’t my event!” I told myself, but I still beat myself up inside. By the end of track season, it had gone exactly like cross country season, with consistent mediocrity in race performance, and near identical times to freshman year, being 4:31 for the 1500 and 9:33 in the 3k. At this point I tried having a conversation with my coach about my performance, where he essentially just told me “stop comparing yourself to others” (competitive running is a comparative sport?) and “it happens to everyone”. At the same time, teammates I used to easily beat are running 9:05 3ks and sub 16 track 5ks. This brings me today today, where I am again entering a cross country season, bringing the summer base building phase (attempting 70-75 mpw avg). At this point, I am beat down, depressed, and hopeless about any future prospects as a competitive distance runner. I feel I have fallen far behind all of my peers and it is too late for me to be successful in any metric, I will always be behind. I do not remember the last time o was proud of myself.

All said, I would like any advice or help I could get regarding my situation, I do want to get better, and feel I am willing to do what it takes to grow as an athlete.

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u/Apart_Republic_2146 — 2 days ago

A personal anecdote illustrating how weather and weight impact running performance

(Images in comments)

Hi folks,

Background: I'm a 28-year-old recreational endurance runner (177 cm, 200-205maxHR) with 3 years of long distance running and 6 years of strength training. My PRs include 3:44 marathon, 1:37 half marathon, 44-minute 10K, and ~21-minute 5K and I have averaged 50k weeks pretty much for the last 2 years. After missing my January 2026 goal marathon due to food poisoning despite completing the 5min/km MP race target with Pfitzinger 12/55 plan successfully, I trained with Pfitzinger 12/70 for a May 2026 marathon targeting 3:10–3:30. The race ended far below expectations due to a combination of extreme weather, difficult training conditions, and unrelated psychological factors. This post focuses specifically on the physical and environmental reasons behind that performance.

  1. I didn't take the KK race conditions seriously enough. I had no idea how different a coastal city's weather is from where I live. In the images, I have compared some of my slow runs from race week to a 20-mile run today (5th July 2026, all times are in local time zone). My easy pace is 5:45-6:00 with HR around 145-150, but as you can see in the numbers, I had to significantly slow down to not have my HR cross 180 at easy pace in KK, and even then I was drenched in sweat like I took a shower. Another anecdote from the race day is of a very experienced American racer I met, who goes around the world running marathons through the year averaging 4 marathons per month, told me he would finish 3:05 but ended up finishing 3:30+.

  2. I trained with Pfitzinger 12/70 during February to April in Bengaluru, and it got scorchingly hot in summers in March and April in Bengaluru, though not as bad as KK in terms of humidity, but still I burnt out running 100k weeks in so much heat. I think the two-week taper was never going to be enough for me. So again, if you are training in summers, you need to account for a longer taper to recover. 

  3. Weight gain during training plan - I have posted about this in the sub a few months before too about eating so much and seeing my body change. My happy weight is around 64-68kg, but I peaked at 77kg on race day, gaining almost 2kg every month. Now it wasn't like I got 'FAT' fat; my diet was high in protein and replacement carbs, so it was kind of a very clean bulk which made me muscular, but still I practically turned into a jock from a twink in 5 months but failed to adjust my pace expectation accordingly. Now since the last 2 months, I am in a good calorie deficit and shed at least 5kg but feel much lighter than I felt during the training block and race day.

 

Race Day: As I explained, the race conditions were horrible, and I could only manage a 1h53m first half time, which was like my HM time from two years ago. Seeing that, I just gave up mentally and literally walked the rest of the race. I would have liked to say I just enjoyed the race vibes and cheering (which was actually great, no shade to the race organisers and people who came), but given the mental black hole I was in, I hated every minute of the race. I am not even sure if I finished in five hours. 

Since then I’ve been feeling better and taking a break from racing to focus on other aspects of life. I now run at most two days a week: a 10-mile run on Wednesday and a 20-mile run on Sunday. I’ve decided to skip races for the rest of 2026. I’m prone to mental health issues so while it might seem like a great idea to be physically active running 100k a week, the time it took away from my social and professional life, combined with the poor returns, made it counterproductive for me. You should also be mindful of this, especially if you’re prone to these issues, there is a sweet spot for mental health returns.

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u/confusedandfem — 1 day ago

100 marathons in 100 days…with Parkinson’s age 71!

While wasting time on Facebook today, Runners World posted about Larry Grogins who recently finished his 100 marathons in 100 days, running across the U.S. Google him because it’s amazing. He has significant tremors, yet he did it.

Honestly, I can’t imagine. Every marathon I have ever run, it takes me a week to recover! And, I feel set back after it. I can only assume it’s equally mental fortitude and physical endurance. How does he not get injured? He is definitely an inspiration.

Tomorrow, I’ll be running 4-5 miles, still nursing my twisted ankle.

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u/BohemianaP — 3 days ago

What is the best energy/carb mix?

Hi! I'm looking for a carb/energy mix containing electrolytes that has a tart/punchy/sour flavor. I have this mix I bought for too much money, and I really dislike the flavor of it. I figure if I'm going to invest in buying carb mix bulk, I want something that tastes bomb af. Does anyone have any suggestions for their favorites (doesn't have to be sour, I just like sour things so I thought if that exists, Ill prob love it).

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u/Impressive_Dish_8883 — 2 days ago
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VO2 max predicts how long you’ll live better than cholesterol, blood pressure, or smoking status — and running is one of the most effective ways to improve it

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u/CarryCharacter4779 — 3 days ago

Any British runners no longer having runs uploaded to power of ten ?

Since the site was revamped at start of this year I have hardly had a single one of my races uploaded to the website. It’s quite frustrating as I always liked power of ten and looking at all my performances together like that to see progression. It appears when looking it up that it’s now down to race directors to get the results to power of ten and is their responsibility. So can we assume if months have passed and races still aren’t on it which were measured and licensed races they just won’t ever appear on the site ? That the race director just doesn’t know it’s their role to do it or whatever ?

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u/Matterhornchamonix — 3 days ago

Saturday General Discussion/Q&A Thread for July 04, 2026

A place to ask questions that don't need their own thread here or just chat a bit.

We have quite a bit of info in the wiki, FAQ, and past posts. Please be sure to give those a look for info on your topic.

Link to Wiki

Link to FAQ

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u/AutoModerator — 3 days ago
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Thoughts on trail running workouts (treadmill uphills, hill intervals, bike base)

Hello,

I am  considering how to prepare for a trail race (55km, +/- 2800m) 4 months out. My recent peak building phase was 100km, +/-6000m in 2 weeks with the longest run being 35km, +/- 2200m.

I 'd like the community's thoughts on the following workouts, how to modify them, or other workouts that show great impact.

Aerobic Base Building: What are your thoughts on adding some considerable biking to building aerobic base? I will do it due to the injury, but what about it in general?

Pros: I can spend significant more time in Z1-Z2 due to the low impact of biking. Especially early in this phase, I could do 5-6h rides on weekends instead of a long run, whereas a 5-6h long run is something I would do quite later and at a big stress cost.
Cons: I don't train my tendons for impact, no improvements in running economy, I don't get time-on-feet.

Treadmill Uphill Training: I did 45'-75' sessions with a vest (+5kg), 15% incl. and brisk walking speed (5km/h). I felt this workout (once weekly) added value vs. not doing those at all, but I am not sure it's the most well spent time.

Pros: I felt this helped building misery tolerance, fatigue resistance, and some muscle endurance. Easy accessibility comparted to trails, low impact on joints.
Cons: The constant 15% incl. goes heavy on the calves and is unnatural terrain compare to a trail. 

What are your thoughts on this? Is it time well spent? Would a lower inclination and running be better? 

Short uphill/downhill intervals: 3 intervals at a steep forest trail (20% grade), running vest with 1L water, 10' power-hiking up, 4' running down. Initially, this was my training for building uphill endurance, but I quickly realized it's not enough (that's why treadmill was added). However, I realized it does a good job at training downhills and eccentric loading so I kept it at once per week or every two weeks.
What do you think of them? What modifications could have a good effect here? More repetitions?

Overall, for a 55km/2800m target, which of these gives the most return per hour?

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u/First-Toe-9115 — 4 days ago

Daniel’s “Alien” plan

I’m trying to put a half marathon plan using Jack Daniel’s 4th edition training guide. I’m not certain how to go about “choosing “ a specific workout for the quality tempo, marathon pace, interval, etc…do I just go in order A1, A2, A3…for each week using my VDOT to guide training paces? Looking for input from anyone who’s used this plan. The book outlines 5k and marathon plans in more detail.

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u/FarSalt7893 — 3 days ago

What can a high school runner add beyond the basics to drop time in the fall?

I’m a 16 year old rising junior (male), last summer I was running 30-40 miles a week, my current mpw is 45, hoping to peak around 60 this summer. My PR last year was a 16:28 3 mile XC, and a 10:10 2 mile last track season. I’m trying to get down to 15:30 in October. I do three workouts a week, two easy days, and one long run at an easy pace, with one day off.

I’m not looking for advice on specific workouts or paces, but rather things outside of running that can help prepare me for 3 mile / 5k racing in the fall.

For a high school runner following their coach’s plan, eating well and lots, doing strength training, core, stretching, getting good sleep, and avoiding anything harmful, what else can they do to ensure success in the fall?

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u/Luuuuuuuuuuke123 — 5 days ago

Managing electrolytes during a marathon after cramping from overdrinking sports drink

I'm training for my second marathon and I'm trying to figure out an electrolyte strategy.

During my 30 km long runs, I carry 500 ml of water with only 1/4 of a SIS electrolyte tablet and refill water every 7 km. This has worked well for me, and I don't cramp despite sweating heavily.

In my first marathon, I drank electrolyte drink at nearly every aid station and eventually developed severe leg cramps. It felt like I took in far more sodium than I was used to during training.

Since I can't carry enough electrolyte drink for an entire marathon, I'm wondering how experienced runners manage this. Do you rely on aid stations, electrolyte capsules, chewables, or mostly plain water if you're already taking carbohydrate gels?

I'd be interested to hear what has worked for others with similar experiences.

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u/Commercial_Two488 — 4 days ago

Can one do all of their mileage on the treadmill and still see improvements?

I’ve been doing most of my running outside during the summer and I’ve had to wake up early to run every day. Despite getting up and running at the same time everyday, heat and humidity varies so much day-to-day. The heat was too bad today so I decided to do my easy run on the treadmill and was surprised with how much easier it felt and how much lower my hr was (~10 bpm lower) despite not feeling any slower. My question is: can I do all of my easy running and threshold workouts on the treadmill? I won’t be getting any heat training advantages but I’m also not planning on running any long races in hot temperatures so I’m just curious if I can transfer a majority of my training to the treadmill and expect the same running improvements as when I’m running outside.

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u/flyingbennyben — 5 days ago

Thursday General Discussion/Q&A Thread for July 02, 2026

A place to ask questions that don't need their own thread here or just chat a bit.

We have quite a bit of info in the wiki, FAQ, and past posts. Please be sure to give those a look for info on your topic.

Link to Wiki

Link to FAQ

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u/AutoModerator — 5 days ago