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Am I The Only One Disliking This Show???

I'm on Ep 8 or 9 of S1 of Beef and I just can't continue. This show, as much as I know that it's just a show, makes me ridiculously angry. I think pretty much every character has the IQ equivalent to that of a peanut, with Paul having that of a mustard seed. Fantastic acting on all the actors' parts as all their characters are truly dislikable. I just don't see the value behind the show and I don't enjoy watching trainwreck after trainwreck as if this is the less sophisticated version of A Series of Unfortunate Events. Every time there could possibly be a learning moment or some moral growth, the characters just become more disappointing. I was shocked when I saw how highly rated this series is because it didn't match that rating in plot quality...I'm actually just disappointed that this was considered quality media in the first place. I'm open to hearing different opinions though. What am I missing here? Does it get better? Is it like a slow build-up to something good?

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u/Ok-Anteater-5410 — 18 hours ago
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Loved S2 but.. (spoilers)

Maybe even more than S1.

Every character was beautifully written. I could find myself switching roles and empathazing with everyone every time the scene changed.

But was I the only one that thought that

>!Austin was kind of a jerk to Ashley. He meets the Korean girl and immediately decides to throw a sweet 18 month history with Ashley because he wants someone korean in his life. The whole Ashley lying wasn't as big of a deal to just break up and stop loving someone. He clearly wanted to have an affair with Eunice and likely would have had been a slightly bit different. I am seeing people celebrate "Austin almost finally finding what he wanted but then chickens out like a coward". I don't see it that way. I think Ashley was right when she said "You only think you love her. You know my shit and I know yours. You don't know her shit". To me Austin felt like an immature manchild!<

That part I felt real sad about.

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u/ceramicatan — 1 day ago
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Joshua calling out of work like

I saw this video and instantly thought of Joshua calling out of work 🤣

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Ashley Doppleganger?

Anyone else feel that Ashley's (Cailee Spaeny) facial expressions reminds them of Luther (Tom Hopper) from Umbrella Academy?

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u/mrtaco00 — 2 days ago
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Ashley’s styling was cleverly done.

Just finished S2 and enjoyed it a lot. I don’t think it was as good or focused as S1 writing-wise, but the fantastic acting from the whole cast made up for it and ultimately made for a solid follow-up season.

I just wanted to point out how Ashley’s styling was a simple yet effective character device. She starts out with her bev cart girl uniform and very normal, everyday gen Z girl outfits like sweaters and jeans. When she gets more entrenched in the country club life and in her faux wealth, she starts to wear more pastels and pearls. Her hair also goes from being constantly in ponytails and a bit scraggly to constantly straightened and styled.

It reminds me of Love Quinn in Netflix’s You, where the more stressed and insecure Love got, the more effort she’d put into her outfits and hair. It’s not a particularly unique device, but man, it was done so well and really added to Ashley’s downhill trajectory.

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u/Ok-Practice5438 — 3 days ago
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Beef season 2: kinda annoying?

Im just at episode 4 so hoping this gets better in the succeeding episodes, but Season 2 till now is nowhere near Season 1. The characters aren’t inspiring any strong feelings like Danny and Amy did, like their whole will they wont they vibe and their backgrounds being shown which also kinda allowed a better insight into the sort of “lesson” the story had. Made the characters more human and if not likeable at least realistic?

All I’m getting rn is a serious lack of character development, especially in the female characters who are shown to be strong in some moments but those moments arent carried to fruition. And the male ones feel just as annoying too particularly Austin with the unnecessary innocent play. But as compared to the female counterparts, the male characters somehow appear to be having some side storyline which makes me think the female characters are being portrayed as mere accessories and not as strong characters in their own rights. Even Chairwoman Park felt like a desperate woman in the scene where she asks her husband whether he loves her. Dont know if this is intentional but it’s still not bold enough to make a point. Just very lackluster.

Honestly though imo Season 2 is living only on the hype of the first season. Like my favorite parts are actually Josh and Lindsay’s fights lol, so I dont know what that says about the overall show.

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u/spicymirchi — 5 days ago
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EP 4 Question

I got a bent neck & this episode gave me PTSD and I can't watch it again

1. So Josh goes to the hospital, tries to help Ashley's situation, and asks her to delete the video as part of the deal.

But they get into a kerfuffle where she accuses Josh of threatening her health with his demands and it effs up the whole conversation

3. and then this other dude David appears. What exactly was David supposed to do? This is the dude who later demands a free round of golf from Josh on primetime golfing time as payment for his favor?

What did i miss????

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u/Beneficial_Search_10 — 4 days ago
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"For sure"

When Austin says "for sure" it sound like "fol shoo".

Is this a Californian accent?

I'm not American, so I thought he sounded strange when he says that. And he says it several times in the show.

u/Unusual_Stay9600 — 8 days ago
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Movie plot inspired by BEEF.

I am trying to write a story... inspired by Beef.

what would your version be? The basic setting is as follows:

Meher is an 18 year old teenage girl in a rich south asian school, completing last year of her A Levels. The story entirely revolves around 1 year till her farewell, the end where it all hits the utmost climax, life altering part of the story, the dilemma - like the flying to Korea was for Beef S2.

Overall in the story too, I am hoping to see climax, lost hope, high stakes, high stakes, high stakes.

She also has a crush on his classmate: Ayan, who also seems to like her back, but that's something very subtle, not the premise of the story.

And the internal battle of the character is that she suffers from severe eating disorder which in some subtle way conflicts with her external goal (i haven' been able to pin it down yet, i can't think of something good. genuine thing the character may be wanting to achieve) which is what she will achiever after / towards the end of farewell? the tone is a bit eerie, uneasy, unsettling internally but entertaining on the surface - in between lots of obstacles.

Go wild!

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u/Old-Storage-230 — 6 days ago
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Season 2: Did anyone else in a past abusive/toxic relationship find this season incredibly difficult to watch?

I just finished season 2 and it was a much harder watch than I expected after recently leaving a 4 year abusive relationship.

Watching Josh and Lindsay go at each other viciously and then become loving again in a heartbeat felt painfully familiar. That emotional whiplash was exactly what my last relationship became, and it was a complete nightmare to live inside.

My ex's communication during conflict was repeatedly cruel from early on, but I convinced myself we just communicated differently and that, if I was patient enough, we'd eventually figure it out.

As things escalated into verbal and physical abuse, I found myself saying and doing things back that I never would have imagined in any of my previous relationships. I became someone I didn't recognize, and that's probably the hardest part to process after leaving.

This season made me appreciate how well the show captured what it's like to be trapped in a high-conflict relationship, and how deeply those dynamics can change you over time. I had to pause several times because it was such a difficult watch.

I'm curious if anyone else who's been in a toxic or abusive relationship had a similar reaction/reflection watching this season?

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u/Valuable_Sense6084 — 7 days ago
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Watching Beef season 2 as a Korean...

And I'm wondering why is the Korean part of the script so awkward and sounds like Google translate...? The director is Korean and the actors and actresses are very highly regarded in Korea too, but they should like they never acted before in their lives.

I understand if it was Steve Yeun trying to speak Korean, because everyone already knows his Korean is actually not good at all, but this actually stumps me.

I am really having tough time watching this without cringing...

edit: I found out the director only lived in Korea for maximum of 3 years. Which explains why the Korean part of the script is so weak. But it still doesn't explain the mess in the last episode.

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u/Pristine_Gain1746 — 9 days ago
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Ashely receiving the most amount of hate for actually being protective of her relationship.

I thoroughly enjoyed this season and was eager to see what people thought about it, and despite how polarizing the character of Ashley seems to be, I still quite enjoyed her.

But I find it strange that out of both couples, she is the only individual to fully remain faithful to her partner, yet she draws the most ire for being manipulative/selfish. Which she is, but it seems disproportionate.

Nevermind the fact that she predicted the whole ending from the start, she ended up being pretty valid in her distrust of Austin and Eunice's relationship. Despite the other nuances, he was having a (mostly one-sided) emotional affair with her while claiming to Ashley that he was happy. Even if they weren't actively cheating, if Eunice actually liked him back, he would be.

Then we get to the USB. And Austin made some points about Ashley's abandonment issues, which were largely true. And his whole monologue was a tactic to get the usb back. But to say she only stole it to keep him from breaking up with her is crazy.

They were thrown in the middle of a conspiracy where multiple people have died, the Chairwoman is extremely powerful and could have all of them killed and get away with it, and Austin's trying to leave his fiancée to play superhero with a woman he THINKS he loves, while putting himself and everyone else in danger. And then goes BACK to Ashley by abandoning Eunice, who likely ended up dying.

All this to say, in the first 2 years of their relationship, this is Austin and Ashley's first major problem and his solution is to try to leave to be with another woman, while Ashley did everything she could to protect their relationship. And she's the most hated lol

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u/Future-Flatworm-7313 — 11 days ago
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Beef Season 2 Has Deep Buddhist Themes That I Haven't Seen Discussed Yet

OK, so I just finished the ending of season 2 and I had to get my thoughts down. Beef is not the type of show I generally watch. I am spiritual person and believe life has enough suffering and stress as it is, so I generally avoid watching stressful and violent shows like Beef. But! Something attracted me to it, and by the last episode I understood why. It has deep spiritual themes that run throughout that when understood show how brilliantly written and well-told this story is. The themes in the show span multiple dimensions from the obvious critiques on capitalism and the US healthcare system, to attachment theory, to more subtle, spiritual themes on the very nature of human existence itself. I will focus on these spiritual themes, since I haven’t seen them discussed in this way yet.

There is a lot to unpack to understand the deeper, spiritual meanings behind the show and I am going to get my thoughts down as I best I can. I hope you guys enjoy it!

The Bhavachakra and The Three Poisons

The story can be viewed from many different layers and perspectives, which I’ll try to touch, but if you don’t grasp this overarching theme, then you will miss the depth of the show and why its ending is so significant.

As you may or may not know, the symbol depicted at the end of the show with the zoom-out shot of Chairwoman Park at her first husband’s grave is what’s called the Bhavachakra in Buddhist cosmology. Chakra means wheel, and the Bhavachakra depicts the wheel of the ever-turning wheel of cyclical existence, or rebirth and death called samsara, that all living beings are trapped in until they reach liberation through enlightenment. The Bhavachakra has deep significance that could take an entire book to describe. In general the layers of the circle symbolize different aspects of existence, the different realms that beings can be born in from the most hellish to the most divine, with the whole thing being devoured by a demon symbolized by time, death and impermanence.

What’s most important to the show is the center of the Chakra where there are three animals: a pig, a bird and a snake. These animals symbolize the Three Poisons that keep beings in samsara and the wheel of cyclical life. The pig is ignorance, the snake is anger (and on a deeper level fear) and the bird is attachment or desire.

The Three Poisons are important, because they make up the entire struggle that the characters in the show, and we as humans struggle with in life.

To me, these symbols are the backdrop for what happens in the show, and most of the show relates either directly or indirectly to the Chakra through the main themes of greed, ignorance and anger/fear.

The Wheel Keeps On Turning

One of the main plot points revealed at the end of the show is how human beings can easily move from good to bad, from righteous to evil, and materially successful or poor in the span of their lifetime or lifetimes. This is symbolized by the swapping of the places Josh & Lindsey (J&L) and Austin & Ashely (A&A). In the beginning of the show, A&A appear to be an idyllic couple who are down on their luck materially. Internally, they adore each other, but they are outwardly struggling financially. A&A appear to love each other with a deep naivety that is envied by J&L who are deeply struggling with their relationship internally, however, opposite to A&A are all things considered well-off materially to the outside world.

By the end of the show, they have completely swapped their roles. J&R have moved on in very mature ways, especially Josh. Josh goes from being materially wealthy, yet being a self-centered, terrible person, to having nothing coming out of prison, yet being happy, fulfilled and living selflessly (I will discuss the important transformation Josh had later, as I believe, like many others, he is the most important character in the show). Likewise, Lindsey grows by taking on the responsibility of being a mother and responsible partner to an older husband, living in the countryside, and appears to have the fulfillment of a happy household.

Meanwhile, A&A have become J&L. At the end of the show, Ashely is shown giving the same speech that Josh gave at the beginning. A&A now have all the material connections and fulfillment they always desired, yet internally they are suffering and are completely unhappy. Doing exactly the same things as J&L did and living an outwardly materially “privileged” life among elite friends, but completely empty inside.

We can refer to the Bhavachakra to understand this situation. Outside of the central animals symbol that shows the three poisons of ignorance, attachment and anger/fear, there is a black and white section. The white side shows good deeds and the good results that come from them, and the black side shows bad deeds and the negative results that come from them. They are shown next to each other to demonstrate how beings shift from doing good deeds to bad deeds throughout their incarnations. At one time we are virtuous, and at another time we are evil. The cycle continues endlessly until enlightenment is reached. The show perfectly captures this idea of the cyclical nature of good and bad deeds, as well as their positive and negative karmic consequences by swapping the positions of J&L and A&A at the end of the show. The karmic wheel turns, the positions swap, and the cycle of samsara continues.

Josh’s Spiritual Awakening

I believe Josh is the most important character in the series. His character arc is deeply important to what it means to be human. At the beginning of the show, he, like most of the characters in the show, is driven by the Three Poisons of ignorance, anger and greed. He embezzles money, pursues wealth and material pleasure, and is driven by resentment and anger in his relationship with Lindsey. However, by the end of the series, Josh emerges as a selfless, compassionate human being. How did this happen?

Josh’s transformation begins when he has a spiritual awakening during his Bufo trip. Call it ego death or what you like–what happens is he gains insight into his suffering. He shares with Austin that during his trip he saw every woman he ever slept with. To me, this implies that during his trip, Josh realized he was chasing satisfaction through those experiences that could never be found there.The monologue he gives is exquisitely acted by Oscar Issac and deftly written by Lee Sung Jin. In the monologue, Josh describes the “Achilles heel” which essentially boils down to the downfall which desire, greed and anger cause. If you’d like to read it, it’s here, if not you can skip to my commentary below:

"Whatever your Achilles heel is, that little spot… I know you think you’ve got time to work on it, and you do. You actually… You have a lot of time. But little by little, life’s just gonna chip away at it, you know? And, you know, you’ll think, “Okay, well, my shit's not so bad.” You know, it’s a fleeting thought, a little temptation here and there. But once I get the job, then I’m gonna deal with my shit. But then you’ve gotta get the promotion. Right? And then you gotta get the house. And then every interaction becomes about me, me, me. “If I do this for Troy, then maybe Troy will help me later.” And you start thinking that way because it’s the only way to keep your head above water. And then when you finally catch a breath, and you go to stand on your own two feet, that Achilles heel is just gonna give out. And you’re gonna fall. And you’re gonna grasp at everyone around you. But it’s too late. You’re going down. And that fleeting thought is who you are now. And you’re never gonna change."

What Josh describes in this monologue is insight into the nature of the three poisons, desire, anger and attachment, and the mistakes he has made in his life being driven by them. This is a spiritual awakening to the fundamental understanding that our desires cannot fulfill us, and the negative consequences that arise from pursuing them. He discovers that people liking us–sexual or otherwise–will not fulfill us. Josh goes on to demonstrate after his awakening, that what fulfills us is virtuous behavior and living a selfless life in dedication to those we love.

After the Bufo experience, Josh immediately starts changing. He ends the petty dispute with Lindsey over his salary, and begins making positive changes in his life. He does have a moment of weakness, however, on the Raya app, but his brief decent back into sensual temptation comes with instant repercussions for him as he is nearly murdered, which again shows how negative consequences from the past and temptations in the present can impact anyone, including people who have had spiritual awakenings.

Ultimately, we see Josh sacrifice himself selflessly by giving himself up to the authorities to save the woman he loves–Lindsey–as well as A&A, and everyone else involved including Chairwoman Park.

The defining scene for Josh happens at the end of the series where we see him moving through the jail common room, stating “all we have is the present moment” and providing cigarettes and other small favors for inmates. It’s important to contrast this scene of selfless giving with a moment that happened earlier in the episode. In the final episode, when Lindsey bangs on Ava’s neighboring hotel room door asking for help after discovering Josh is being framed by Chairwoman Park, Ava goes on to say that Josh only did nice things for her and Troy because it was his “job”.

Contrasting Josh’s behavior in jail with his behavior as GM of the club highlights the importance of intention on our human journey. This highlights the fact that action is important, however it’s intention behind the action that is most important. In both cases Josh is doing the same thing, providing things that people want. At the country club it was free drinks, making guests comfortable and accommodating their needs, etc.. But! It was always done with a selfish intention to gain something. However, at the end of the show in jail, we see how Josh expects nothing in return for helping his fellow inmates. This is further proven by his behavior when he finds out Lindsey has moved on from another inmate. He is genuinely happy for her, lets go of any need to reconnect and disturb her new life, and expresses his happiness for her indirectly in the interview when he leaves jail.

In summary, Josh’s transformation after his Bufo experience symbolizes how a person can spiritually awaken from a selfish person who operates from the three poisons, to one who attains wisdom and insight; overcomes the poisons, and creates a fulfilling life that is lived selflessly out of love for others.

Attachment Issues

The relationship between Ashley and Austin (A&A) shows attachment theory at work. It is also a perfect vehicle for exploring the poison of attachment or desire that is symbolized in the Bhavachakra. Attachment issues are futher explored in the relationship between Chairwoman Park and Dr. Kim, but for the sake of this discussion I will stay with A&A

You likely have heard about it, but if you haven’t attachment theory generally states that how we experienced relationships with our caregivers growing up will dictate the types of relationships we have in the future. Both Austin and Ashley come from traumatic backgrounds. Austin’s mother hit him, and we can assume other forms of emotional abuse or neglect were there. Ashley’s parents divorced and throughout the show we are shown how her parents are disinterested in her. Throughout the show we are repeatedly shown the unhealthy relational patterns the plague A&A relationship. They are both people-pleasers repressing their negative feelings to avoid conflict, and lie about what they really feel to each other constantly. These were all survival patterns they learned growing up, and again points to the cyclical nature of suffering, and the intergenerational trauma that is passed down through our attachment relationships, which can cause enormous suffering to generations of families.

In the final episode, Austin correctly calls out Ashley’s attachment issues. The interesting part of this scene was that Austin didn’t reflect on his own attachment problems. Among other things, both of them were serial people-pleasers, yet during his monologue describing Ashley’s attachment issues, Austin fails to have the self-awareness that he too is trapped in unhealthy attachment patterns with Ashley. This is further demonstrated by his repeated naive statements to Eunice about how much he “loves” her, which go mostly unreciprocated throughout the show. Finally, when at the end of the final episode Austin calls Eunice on his way to the police station, he hears in her voice that she does not give the same anxious attachment he craves and that Ashely provides, he turns the taxi around and returns the flash drive to Chairwoman Park and takes Ashley back. The cycle of attachment issues continues, and the scene is set for A&A to take the place of J&L in the karmic wheel of their lives.

Final thoughts

What struck me most about Beef Season 2 is that beneath all the stress, the rage, and the dark comedy, it is ultimately a story about the transformative power of love and selflessness, and how rare and difficult that transformation truly is. Josh achieves it. Lindsey does to an extent. Most of the others don't. And the wheel keeps turning.

For those who know Buddhist or Hindu philosophy, did I miss anything in my reading of the Bhavachakra, or get anything wrong? I'd love to hear from anyone with deeper knowledge.

And more broadly: did these spiritual themes resonate with you watching the show? I'm curious whether others felt this undercurrent, or whether the symbolism landed differently for you. Would love to hear your thoughts!

u/Nisargadatta — 9 days ago
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I’m only on Season 2 Episode 4 and just wondering if anyone else hates this character

Does anyone else hate Ashley?? I have not hated a character this much in a long time. She makes my blood boil. I felt like Josh was justified in his approach to say he will help with getting a doctor after she deletes the video. He’s also the reason she has health insurance in the first place now. All she does is harass that family. And now she broke into their house and told the dog she’s going to bring Josh down and destroy the family. Unbelievable. She’s an entitled brat and I want her to go down.

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u/webyah — 12 days ago
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WHEREE is the auston hate??

Why tf do we hate ashley? Austin giving the red gatorade to some random lady when ashley said anything but yellow was soo dis. Not only does he care more about Eunice, he cares more about a random woman than his girl. I deadass feel like the hate ashley was getting was because she’s a woman. The only thing she did wrong was let the dog out but that was an accident and she stayed out looking for him to make up for it so why would we hate her. Did we watch the same show???

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u/Equivalent_Ideal_777 — 13 days ago