r/BrianThompsonMurder

Luigi Mangione has pled guilty to shooting and killing UnitedHealth CEO Brian Thompson on a Manhattan sidewalk on December 4, 2024. The killing went viral. The NYPD deployed hundreds of officers to hunt him down.
Corporate media covered every detail of his arrest, his appearance, his manifesto, his trial.

The legal system spoke swiftly, loudly, and with the full weight of the state and federal government behind it.
But here's the question corporate media will never ask: In those same 624 days since Brian Thompson was killed, how many Americans died preventable deaths because HELL Corporations-Health Exploitation Limited Liability Corporations—prioritized profit over their lives?

I did the math. A new study by the Yale School of Public Health finds that a single-payer universal healthcare system could cover all 330M+ Americans, save more than 100,000 lives annually, and still cost $1 trillion less than the current system.

That is 274 preventable deaths every single day.
Over 624 days since Brian Thompson's death, that is
170,958 preventable deaths.

Luigi Mangione is in federal custody. The CEOs who enabled the deaths of 170,958 Americans are in their corner offices, collecting bonuses, and gracing the covers of Forbes and Fortune. Does it have to be this way?

Linus Fu, who spent time with Luigi at MDC, spoke to Erik about his experience.

Sharing this as we recently saw Linus posting pictures of himself and retelling the story online and on his podcast.

PBD and his panel of right wing goons talk about Luigi’s guilty plea, make fun of Abril’s tattoos (valid), and suggest liberal women shouldn’t vote.

I don't actually think he ever really wanted to fight this thing. The evidence he left behind (to the feds...) and lack of plan post-incident show that, as well as his statements in PA. In my opinion, he was forced to fight it because the unexpected happened: the death penalty and two trials for one crime. If it was only the feds that tried this, I would bet he would have accepted either a plea or just pled guilty sooner. I never really understood why someone would do something like this with purpose and intent, and then plead "not guilty" and take it to trial. He never once tried to deny it and even in his few statements, has made it pretty clear he did this.

Long story short, I think this was his plan all along and now that he got rid of the DP and potentially state trial, he's likely at peace living with what he's done.

I’m not usually a fan of sharing press articles, but I thought this one was worth sharing since it seems Lorena spoke with some of Luigi’s friends about his guilty plea on Friday.

so considering his guilty plea on friday, officially he is declared guilty in federal court for his federal case. I know his lawyers are trying to throw out his state case and somehow possibly try their best to get something below 24 years for him I’m assuming.

if they are successful in doing so, how many years do you think Luigi will get in December if he is only serving his federal case?

My guess is 20-22 years before good time credit and not taking his 2 years in pre trial in consideration.

is my guess a stretch or do you guys think he’s serving more?

Edit: also just wanted to ask is it possible at the sentencing date that victims of UHC speak out as well? are they allowed to do that or will kfa do something like that?

so I don’t know why but I’ve been noticing this like normally the media runs wild talking about LM like News networks independent reporters really popular TikTokers YouTubers etc lawyers with Instagram account yada yada loves running wild spreading misinformation about LM case or even something big in his case and they run with that for like days or even a week we saw it with EED that was brought up in a discussion and they ran with that for like a solid week or even when things are quiet in this case some person will come out and say there were new Luigi or met him etc and they would talk about that person for a week and then KFA would shut it down yada yada but now ever since the LM changed his plea from not guilty to guilty it’s kind of been crickets after that like obviously for a day, the media was talking about it, but now it’s gotten to a point where it’s like crickets. It’s really strange. Is it because they got what they wanted ? Like I expected the media to talk about this for a solid week like they do with other things in his case or talk about it non-stop, but we haven’t heard much from the media after Friday like maybe an interview here or two but not really I’m just curious if you guys noticed it too or if it’s just me. Like this is coming from a person who doesn’t look for things from the media involving LM I just look at the documents here and leave so when it shows up on my feed non-stop of the media talking about LM I know they’re talking about it a lot compared to now I just find it odd. Or maybe I’m just an idiot and it has been going on a lot but I just didn’t noticed. Let me know your thoughts.

P.S I might delete this. I’m just curious what peoples thoughts ?. This was like 1 am thought and just noticing how quiet was from the media surrounding this case.

Video of Rich Schoenstein talking about last Friday's hearing and the defense's new motion to dismiss charges in the state case.

As someone who's been through the system - arguably not to the extent as Luigi - I totally understand the mindset behind his decision to plead guilty today upon the federal charges. While the media can attempt to spin this various ways, at the end of the day it was his legal right to enter a plea at any time, either federally or at the state level, and his doing so today was likely not as complicated a decision as many analysts are making it out to be.

IMO a heart to heart conversation occured between him and his defense team where they made it clear that best case scenario was him spending the rest of his life in prison one way or another. That then begs the question, where do you want to serve your time? As someone with experience in doing that, I can tell you that if I had been faced with the option to serve time federally versus in the state system, I would have gone federal all the way - especially if the state option was a shithole state like New York.

For Luigi, the tradeoff here is basically not much. His defense team had already scored some major wins for him such as getting the terrorism charged dropped, getting the death penalty off the table as an option, and also removing the mandatory life sentence mandate as well. What does that leave left? Overwhelming odds of a life in prison sentence. So where did Luigi want to do his time? Well, choosing the feds versus the state was the best decision he could have made quite frankly.

The trade off is that in the feds he loses any possibility of "parole" like he would have had in the state (but that he likely wouldn't have been granted anyway), however in accepting responsibility for this event shows as a mitigating factor to the feds and therefore can help in reduce his sentence under the federal sentencing guidelines. If he'd gone the state route, well, yes he could have gotten as low as 25 years and likely would have had much more. 25 years in a state prison feels more like 50 because it's hard time, day in and day out. But 25 years in the feds, or even 30, or 40, or more? He will experience a greater quality of life to whatever extent possible in the federal system as opposed to the state system and therefore, the time may not "feel" quite as long in the end.

That right there is enough to make anyone decide to go feds over state. But then take into consideration the fact that his federal charges of Interstate Stalking aren't actually considered a violent crime. This is huge for him when it comes to being classified a security level in the federal system and dictates how he will be evaluated throughout his entire stay in the federal system. Today, Luigi is not technically and legally speaking a "convicted murderer". He's simply a convicted stalker (which resulted in death) but that charge does not directly imply from a legal standing that he commited the person's death and therefore it's not a violent crime, technically. Had he plead guilty in the state case? He'd be a convicted murderer for life and treated as such forever in the system. But as a convicted stalker in the federal system, while he'll initially, likely, be sent to a ​high security facility, as time moves on he can work his way down levels. Each level down offers a better quality of life over time. I have no idea how the New York corrections do classifications for inmates but I'm sure it's not unlike most other states in the sense that it's highly arbitrary and basically you're at the whim of the folks who are classifying you at any given time. The feds is much more structured and they use a point system.

In the FBOP (FEDERAL BUREAU OF PRISONS), ​someone convicted of a bona fide murder can, and likely will eventually, with good behavior and the passage of time, be classified down far enough to reach minimum or low security. The only catch is that to be sent to a federal prison camp (un fenced facility) a person must be within 10 years of their release date and any person serving a life sentence for any reason is automatically barred from a camp - but not necessarily barred from the lowest classification level. If Luigi receives any sentence other than life in the feds, he will probably see minimum or low security one day and very well could eventually be sitting in an un fenced prison camp near the end of his sentence in his old age. This would be a much better way for him to do time as in the state prison, they would probably keep him in maximum security for who knows how long - 10, maybe 20 years, or more? Or forever? He'd likely see medium security eventually and maybe even minimum security closer to release. But it would be a much longer road for him to get there in the state system for sure.

In the feds, he will have a higher quality of Healthcare, food, recreation, programming, employment or education opportunities, etc., then he would in the state. Giving up a slight possibility of parole from the state in trade for this is very wise. Even if, on the off chance that his state case does not completely go away, since he went to the feds first, the feds is now where he'll serve his time forever even if states add on more convictions. The order of operation here in cases like this is incredibly important. The only way he'd ever see a state prison now is if he gets anything less than life from the feds and the state hands down some type of consecutive (non-concurrent) sentence. Meaning, you serve all your fed time first in full, then transfer to state for state time. It would be very rare for this to happen. Usually once someone receives a long federal sentence, the state just agrees to run whatever time they give out concurrently and not consecutively. The "big time" from the feds (longer sentence) then "eats" the little time up. Any state time ran concurrently with fed time would essentially be of no practical consequence. Running any type of sentence from a state consecutive to a life sentence or very long sentence from the feds is just basically like waiving a flag around saying "look at us, look at what we did, aren't we cool?" But it doesn't mean much more than that. After all, how can anything be consecutive to a life sentence with no parole.

In the end, neither system usually cares what the other system does in practice. I doubt the feds give a rats behind what New York does at this point. New York now only really cares because the feds took the biscuit out of their mouth. But that's usually the way it works. Rarely does a state charge ever trump a federal charge. And with New York's very broad and kind of unique double jeopardy law - which they wrote themselves mind you and put into law - it's pretty unlikely I believe that they will still be able to go through with that case as it stands today. So if New York wants to be mad at the feds well they can actually just redirect their anger at themselves because it's THEIR law. Quite frankly I agree with that law. I never understood how someone could be charged with the same crime more then once in two separate jurisdictions simply because the separate jurisdictions are both sovereign from one another. I think that New York has this law the way it should be, that if the elements of the crime are the same, even if the literal description differs, then double jeopardy applies across all jurisdictions.