Why are they trying to make him look guilty?? If they do, then people are more likely to forget him and move on and find some other artist. I don't want to read about what nasty person #79838 did today, I want to read about good artists who are nice people.

If they say that he is innocent, then he will have more fans and people will look for more news on him to honour his memory. There are plenty of reasons to honour his memory.

Besides, all the facts point towards him being innocent, so by making him look guilty they both alienate his fans and turn away people who are actually interested in doing research into true crime (who would eventually find out the facts) and create this weird pocket dimension of people who believe he's guilty and a bunch of other things about him that aren't true to this reality.

tl;dr the media loses views by making him look guilty so I don't know why they do it

comments in particular from an ex Jehovah witness

I have tried listening to this many times. I don’t like how much hate this song gets. I can’t fully relate because while I had adverse childhood experiences, I had a childhood. I can’t imagine practically having none at all. And I’m trying hard to get into his shoes. The lyrics that break my heart are:
“Before you judge me, try hard to love me”

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This video is a deposition of Michael addressing the allegations.

This includes Jordan Chandler, Macaulay Culkin, and Brett Barnes.

Let me know your thoughts below.

What happened?

On July 16th 1993, Evan sedated his son Jordan with a drug to pull out his baby tooth. During this procedure, he blackmailed and repeatedly pressured the boy into admitting Jackson molested him.

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​According to their book All That Glitters, Evan repeatedly questioned Jordan, but after the allegations broke, the boy told child psychiatrist Dr Richard Gardner in an interview in October of 1993 that he was asked by Evan only once, leaving out the part where his father badgered him and threatened to destroy Jackson unless he got the desired response.

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Evan imagined the same sex acts Jordan later would accuse Michael of kissing and masturbation after lying about bugging Jordan’s bedroom.

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We either believe this is a remarkable coincidence or accept that Evan coached the boy to falsely accuse Jackson of committing those acts later on.

In a taped conversation between Evan Chandler and his ex-wife’s husband, Dave Schwartz, Evan accuses Jackson of using power and fame to seduce his son Jordan and ex-wife, June, and blaming them for breaking up the family.

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​In the interview with Dr Gardner, Jordan told the doctor that after revealing to his father the alleged abuse, they never spoke about it afterwards.

Evan also claimed the same thing.

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​However, in the meeting with Dr Gardner, Jordan’s statements almost verbatim reflect his father’s views.

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Experts on deception and coaching have noted that this behaviour is common in cases of false allegations. When coached to make accusations, the programmed individual often repeats specific phrases or ideas their coach has implanted. This can signify that the allegations are not based on the individual’s experiences or memories but rather on instructions.

Ironically, this snippet comes from a book by Dr. Gardner, a man the Chandlers acknowledged as the foremost expert on false CSA allegations.

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So how would this parroting of his father have occurred if Jordan and Evan had never discussed anything after the reveal?

During Jackson’s trial in 2005, the media leaked many specifics of the Chandler case to the public, including the settlement.

However, the leaks only revealed the interview between Jordan and Dr Gardner; the doctor’s interview with Evan and conclusions about whether he detected signs of coaching and false allegations remain out of the public’s reach to this day. How convenient for the Chandlers and the media, who all financially benefited from perpetuating the mysteries surrounding this case.

A coached child wasn’t just a one-off event in Jackson’s life.

In 1995, a Canadian boy accused Jackson of molestation. His allegations were so detailed, as was his knowledge of Jackson’s homes and employees.

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The police found him believable. But it was a scam. The boy never even met Jackson. Convicted child molester Rodney Allen was the mastermind behind the plot [who knew Victor Guiterrez and said he was a pedophile too]

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Police also charged the boy with a public mischief offence.

Nobody accused Jordan of making up the allegations on his own, but the case in Canada demonstrates that someone can coach a boy his age to lie about molestation convincingly.

Did Evan Chandler Have Evidence of Michael Jackson’s Guilt?

In the recording between Chandler and Schwartz, Evan claimed to possess evidence of Jackson’s guilt locked up in a safe and intended to release it if Jackson didn’t attend the meeting.

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What was this evidence? In a nutshell: Despite Evan bragging to Dave that he would show the evidence on a screen in court, it was nothing damning overall.

Evan handed the “evidence” over to his brother. Court reviews discovered it comprised newspaper and magazine clippings, deposition transcripts, court pleadings, and roughly six to eight hours of tape recordings.

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Again, nothing damning towards Jackson.

Also worth pointing out is despite sounding so sure and having this “evidence”, Evan still admitted he had no idea what was happening between Jackson and his son.

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During the conversation, Evan flipped back and forth between two stances. On the one hand, he confidently asserted that he possessed evidence of Jackson causing harm to Jordan and threatened to expose this evidence. And on the other hand, Evan attempted to downplay the situation. He suggested that he wanted to have a discussion to determine if his suspicions were incorrect and if a resolution with Jackson could be reached.

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​Versus

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If you knew someone was harming your child, what kind of solution would you want to make with the abuser?

Also, would you hug your child’s alleged abuser as Evan Chandler did?

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Honourable mention, straight from Ray Chandlers book. Reminder that Evan Chandler first approached MJ prior to going public with the allegations with a 20 million dollar film production deal, and that MJ had multiple opportunities to pay out Evan and silence the family with a NDA and instead chose to fight the case.

“Had Michael paid the twenty million dollars demanded of him in August, rather than the following January, he might have spent the next ten years as the world’s most famous entertainer, instead of the world’s most infamous child molester"

https://medium.com/@Smitherhands/did-this-man-coach-michael-jacksons-1993-accuser-78bb49a18304

Just an announcement.

I am pretty sold on the idea that Jack Gordon was forcing Latoya to speak out against Michael. I mean, a majority of her claims don't even make sense (check to James Safechuck for 100,000,000 and Jonathan Spence being abused), but her calling Lauren has always confused me. What did Jack gain from having Latoya call Lauren and making these claims against Michael and then continue to let her speak out in defense of him for two more months? Why in her book did Latoya not mention the call and instead made it sound the Tel Aviv conference was the first time Jack forced her to speak out against Michael? I have also seen people point to this quote from 2003 as a sign that Jack just forced her to speak out against it, not that it wasn't true: "t was very abusive and it's things that should not be said, things that you keep to yourself, but it was done." She seemed to almost hint at certain things in interviews even before she began to accuse Michael which has also always thrown me off a bit. Any thoughts on her comments or why he would make her call Lauren are greatly appreciated as those are two things I am struggling to make sense of.

While this sub is a safe place to discuss and debunk the allegations, I would like to take a week to generate content about the beautiful human Michael was without thinking of those things. Unfortunately we will always have to consider them and discuss the reality of them because those who hate him will not let them go. However, I want to occasionally reserve some time for just focusing on Michael and what HE wants to be remembered for. I won’t delete allegation debunking posts. I just ask that we try for the next week to focus on his music, philanthropy, and his heart.

https://reddit.com/link/1ud4vev/video/94kmo3ou2y8h1/player

I apologize as I have asked some questions regarding this video before, but is there any way her claims could be true? I have very limited legal knowledge, but would a settlement like what she is describing be possible without leaving a trace? Would NDAs be able to prevent something like that from coming out, or could it have been payed off through insurance that maybe wouldn't have linked it to him? Did he ever donate a song like what she is describing or is it possible he could've done something like that without leaving a trace? Any thoughts are appreciated.