r/Hydrogen2030

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We keep evaluating hydrogen purely by $/kg — but forklift TCO might tell a different story...

I've been following Plug's numbers closely (and the hydrogen sector more broadly), and there's something I think gets underdiscussed: we always compare green hydrogen cost ($5-8/kg) to grey hydrogen or to battery electricity, and conclude "it's expensive." But that only looks at fuel cost — not the TCO (total cost of ownership) of running a forklift fleet.

Companies running hydrogen forklifts (Amazon, Walmart, BMW, etc.) gain in places that rarely make it into the comparison:

  • Refueling in minutes vs. hours to recharge a battery — less machine downtime
  • No dedicated charging rooms (warehouse space saved, no special ventilation needed for battery off-gassing)
  • Consistent performance throughout the shift (batteries lose power as they discharge; fuel cells don't)
  • Less labor dedicated to swapping/charging batteries
  • Possibly fewer total fleet units needed, since there's no "dead" recharge time to plan around

Put this together, and it makes sense that anchor customers would pay a price for hydrogen that covers Plug's actual production cost (that $5-8/kg range), even knowing it's more expensive than the "simple" alternative — because they're not comparing hydrogen vs. electricity, they're comparing total hydrogen operation vs. total battery operation.

Question for the community: does anyone have real comparative TCO data (case study, whitepaper, customer figures) that confirms or debunks this? Or is it just a good sales pitch that hasn't translated into published numbers yet?

And another open question tied to this: if the hydrogen sold to anchor customers (Amazon, Walmart) might be near cost, or even covered once you factor in total operational value (TCO), then where is the cash burn actually concentrated? Plug has never published margin broken out by segment — it could be sitting in electrolyzers.

I've seen in Plug's own filings that most electrolyzer contracts are direct sales (the customer takes ownership of the equipment), with leasing described as "a limited number of arrangements" — not the dominant pattern. But there's a related mechanism that could have a similar cash effect: Plug's cash conversion cycle runs around 233 days — meaning even when selling (not leasing), they may be financing production and installation on large projects (FEED/pre-FID) for many months before receiving final payment. Does anyone know if the big contracts (Hy2gen, Uzbekistan, etc.) have payment staged throughout construction, or only at the end? That would change the read on where the burn is concentrated quite a bit.

Not financial advice, just trying to figure out if we're evaluating this by the right metric.

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u/Majestic-Move1503 — 3 hours ago

California Endorses Green Hydrogen AI says $2.54

Sorry to all the FCEL Cheerleaders as Hydrogen SACRAMENTO – Gov. Gavin Newsom on Monday night signed Sen. Jerry McNerney’s SB 1350, groundbreaking legislation that significantly expands the use of green hydrogen, a clean-energy gamechanger.

SB 1350 allows natural gas power plants to use hydrogen made from renewable resources like wind and solar under California’s world-leading clean energy standards as the facilities transition away from fossil fuels. 

SB 1350 won unanimous approval in the state Senate earlier Monday on a vote of 38-0, after the state Assembly approved the bill on a 74-0 vote. SB 1350 takes effect immediately and is the first such law in the nation.

“California is a world leader in clean energy thanks to solar and wind power and large-scale battery storage. But we won’t achieve 100% renewable energy by 2045 by relying on those sources alone. SB 1350 adds green hydrogen to the mix,” Sen. McNerney said. “Green hydrogen will help us meet our climate goals, and it will protect good-paying jobs throughout the state.”

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u/DependentCultural912 — 4 days ago

Grainger and Plug Building

First one under construction and possible 34 more sites I work for Grainger, massive 62billion dollar company. They just signed a contract with Plug Power to construct an $18 million dollar hydrogen power station. They already started construction, and there are talks about getting the contract to build them for all 34 Distribution Centers!
I feel like this could be an amazing play especially with how cheap the stock and calls are!

u/DependentCultural912 — 6 days ago

$FCEL vs Bloom vs PLUG vs Ballard

I get a chuckle out of the folks who say “””””I should have bought FCEL””” or I should have bought $BE……….when investors say this they have FOMO……….something PLUG needs………could have should have is MOMO……..

many will say same thing PLUG at $8

fcel and BE have Billions in Backorders and StuVarney pumping BE on Maria Fox Business

almost like Sports Betting

i will beadding Plug today

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u/DependentCultural912 — 5 days ago

$BE Falling

What’s going on in #FuelCells ad $FCEL soars 25% on potential and Bloom falls -19% in one single day on NO news ???

what’s going on with $PLUG and a 45% Haircut in a Month ?do YOU BUY at the Top or the Bottoms ??? I’m Buying $Plug on Monday as Institutional Redirecting with Q2 Revenues gonna be 166.3 million Q2 $Plug

234 KNOW Amazon Expanding

u/DependentCultural912 — 9 days ago
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It’s more than just buses. Anyone that’s told you anything different is a dumb fuck.BALLARD ANNOUNCES ACQUISITION OF UK-BASED GEOPURA, POWERING FUTURE GROWTH AND TRANSFORMING BALLARD INTO AN INTEGRATED HYDROGEN ECOSYSTEM PROVIDER

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u/Big_Quality_838 — 13 days ago