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Real Space Is More Terrifying Than Any Piece of Horror

I've seen plenty of horror stuff and played plenty of horror games. Not that I'm a huge fan of the genre, but I've dabbled. Dead Space I quite liked. Read some Lovecraft stuff. Seen some horror movies. And, you know, some of them are kind of scary. But to me there isn't a single horror story that I've seen, played or read that terrifies me as some IRL space and physics stuff.

Like black holes are... terrifying. Because there's nothing you can really do. They can't be reasoned with, cuz they're not sentient. And they're so far beyond humanity, let alone an individual human in scale that there's nothing that can be done if you were to actually fall into one and get close enough.

And these things are actually out there. The thought of a rogue black hole entering the solar system and distorting the sky as it kills us all is truly terrifying.

And then you have something like the false vaccuum. The idea that we could be living in a false vacuum. And that it will "pop" and experience vacuum decay somewhere and fall into the true vaccuum in a bubble of space that expands at the speed of light and just basically wipes everything. We would probably never know it, but we would be instantly gone.

But the most terrifying part of it to me is that it could have already happened somewhere. And be heading towards us right now. And we'd never know it until suddenly we were gone.

Or something like the big rip. Where basically everything is torn apart completely.

The real world is so freaking terrifying.

I've never had a problem falling asleep after playing Dead Space and fighting space zombies. But I've absolutely laid awake thinking at night about black holes and vacuum decay.

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u/OneOnOne6211 — 9 hours ago

The Fermi paradox has one assumption I don't like

It assumes once an interstellar civilization it develops it carries on Infinity and or never goes extinct. I find this very flawed.

Even if a civilization can colonize solar systems there is no incentive to colonize every single solar system that exists. Humans in our current state do not colonize every single patch of Earth even though we can.

What about extinction it's very likely that they would go extinct before they colonize even a quarter of the galaxy

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u/Lumpy-Restaurant-694 — 21 hours ago

If a copy of Earth existed in the closest solar system to us would we detect our own civilization

I know we'll probably be able to detect life on that planet, part would we be able to detect our civilization with our technology from that far away.

The closest solar system to hours is four light years away

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u/Lumpy-Restaurant-694 — 8 hours ago

The Fermi Paradox and the myth of "infinite growth"

Had one of those thoughts while walking through the park on a saturday afternoon...why do trees grow so tall? Trees evolved height to maximize capturing sunlight and maximize the area from which to aspire moisture from their leaves, and thus draw water from their roots. But other trees are growing around them, and can overcast them, or crowd out their roots- so they have to compete with them, and grow ever taller, and bigger. But growing that big has other dangers as well- damage due to wind and weather, and the limits Earth’s gravity puts on anything growing past a certain limit. There’s a reason why palm trees on tropical islands subject to hurricanes don’t grow as tall as redwoods, and why bristlecone pines are short and squat when they are the only trees for miles around. Also, growth takes effort, energy that can otherwise be used for maintaining where a system is and repairing what damage comes (as it inevitably does), so often it’s done only when necessary- that’s one reason why trees grow so slow, and why, eventually, they stop growing. It’s why a cheetah only needs to be faster than the slowest gazelle, and a gazelle only needs to be faster than the fastest cheetah- running that fast takes a toll on the body. And eventually the predator-prey dynamic evens out.

Consider political and social systems as well- why empires of the past reached their heights and never expanded beyond to, say, explore and colonize the Americas when it would have been technically possible. Well, for starters, they had competition from other empires to deal with- fighting off invasions (or internal rebellions, or collecting taxes) took priority over boldly going where no one had gone before. But where there was no pressure to expand, things were relatively stagnant. Medeival and Renaissance Europe was fragmented in constant warfare, looking for trade routes around the caliphates of the Middle East, as well as new revenue sources to fund those wars; otherwise they had no incentive to sail off in uncharted waters and stumble upon a new continent.

Why did the Space Race die out after the US reached the Moon, and why is is starting up again in a different way? Because we looked over our shoulder and saw the Soviets were way behind us, and we figured we had better things to do (like wage a war in Vietnam, or on poverty). Then China jumps into the race, and we’re off again.

Okay, now to the point I’m making: much of the speculation on solutions to the Fermi paradox rests on the assumption of ‘infinite growth’- of an inevitable, inexorable expansion to fill up as much space, grab as much resources, grow up your numbers- that in the absence of a pre-existing spacefaring civilization standing in the way, conquering the galaxy and beyond is but a few short steps, compared to the age of our galaxy, or the universe in general. After all, with the insane abundance of energy and matter in the visible universe, once you can tap into that (and we already can, on a primitive, miniscule level), it’s widely considered only a matter of time before every solar system is consumed, every star is surrounded by a Dyson swarm. But on what basis is this assumption made? Like the trees, growth needs to have a purpose and give a clear advantage over an alternative.

And if you use the argument that it doesn’t matter if a majority of a species/civilization chooses not to expand- all it takes is one or more outliers to set out on their own and eventually overwhelm the stay-at-homes. Well, why didn’t some rogue Roman general or Chinese eunuch start off across the Atlantic or Pacific to found colonies of their own? That is kind of how the Viking raiders got to Vinland, eventually. But there were specific pressures that got them going- climactic, demographic, political and social. And that’s on a single planet that’s already fuly settled and developed on some level. Outside of our planet, let alone our solar system, things are very different. Even if you can say that the new “space race” (or cold war) between the US and China spurs a new drive to reach and establish permanent settlement on the Moon, and demands for energy, data, and rare earths drive space development, does it stand that this competition must reach out to infinity? Like the gazelle and the cheetah, running faster than you have to doesn’t make sense, and can eventually hurt you.

I’ve noticed a lot of these types of models of interstellar colonization are conceived less by astronomers and astrophysicists, and more by economists who seem obsessed by the ‘number go up’ phenomenon of the stock market. The ‘grabby aliens’ hypothesis is one, but I remember reading an ANALOG magazine editorial in the 1980s by economist Warren Salomon (“Economics of Interstellar Commerce”, followed up by another article titled “The Wealth of Galaxies”), in which he argues that the answer to the ‘great silence’ of the Fermi Paradox is that humans are the only capitalists in the universe! He may have been saying this a bit tongue-in-cheek, but I sense this is the implicit assumption in a lot of Fermi paradox discussions- that any successful alien intelligence out there must be rapaciously grabbing anything not tied down screaming “mine, mine!”- or stealthily killing off any potential or actual competitors (Dark Forest, Beserker). Both of these are closer to projections of our own behavior than they are of what the evolution of biology can tell us of how life, and intelligence, finds a way (I mean intelligence in the animal world as a whole).

In the end, we may be the one lone, tall pine surrounded by squat, ancient bristlecones.

EDIT: I recall an interview JMG did on the "Event Horizon" podcast of David Brin, where Brin considered the importance of technologies like agriculture and animal husbandry, and all the environmental alteration and destruction that went with it- that it gave humanity an incentive to adapt, organize, and innovate enough to stay ahead of the curve, as it were. There may well be aliens out there as culturally advanced and complex as we are- but technologically never got past their Iron Age equivalent, and therefore be prone to repeated collapse and be silent to us in technosignatures, or even biosignatures.

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u/JustAvi2000 — 24 hours ago

Is it paradoxical to create antimatter mid-flight? What would theoretically happen?

<>Input to Gemini:

If a starship is creating antimatter while attempting to gain velocity, let's say lasers are providing energy needs and acceleration, wouldn't that be anomalous behavior? The mass of the ship should be increasing with time and velocity...

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You have pointed out a beautifully counter-intuitive piece of physics. In conventional aerospace engineering, a ship is a "closed system" regarding mass—it burns fuel and expels it, meaning its mass *decreases* over time. If a starship is collecting beamed energy from an external laser array and using that energy to manufacture antimatter onboard, it becomes an "open system." It is literally converting pure energy into rest mass via pair production (E=mc^2). From the perspective of classical and relativistic rocket mechanics, this behavior is absolutely anomalous. Here is a breakdown of why this happens and how it breaks the traditional rules of spaceflight.

The Inversion of the Rocket Equation

The foundational math of space travel is the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation, which assumes a diminishing mass profile. In your scenario, the script is entirely flipped. [Image comparing standard rocket mass loss vs laser-fed mass accumulation] * **Standard Rocket:** Mass decreases (\frac{dm}{dt} < 0). As fuel is spent, the ship gets lighter, meaning that for a constant thrust, acceleration *increases* over time. * **The "Mass-Accumulator" Ship:** Mass increases (\frac{dm}{dt} > 0). Because the external laser is pumping energy into the ship, and the ship is freezing that energy into matter/antimatter pairs, the ship's rest mass is rising. If the pushing force of the laser remains constant, the ship’s acceleration will **decay** over time. To an outside observer tracking the ship's telemetry, this would look incredibly strange: the ship would behave as if it were constantly plowing into invisible mud, slowing its rate of acceleration even in a perfect vacuum.

The Relativistic Double-Whammy

As the ship gains velocity and approaches a significant fraction of the speed of light (c), two distinct phenomena compound this mass problem:

  1. **Invariant (Rest) Mass Growth:** The actual number of physical particles onboard is increasing as the antimatter factories run.
  2. **Relativistic Momentum Scaling:** As velocity increases, the energy required to accelerate the ship further increases by the Lorentz factor (\gamma). The ship's momentum behaves according to: Because both the velocity (v) and the rest mass (m) are increasing simultaneously, the momentum curve spikes drastically. The laser array back home would have to scale up its power output exponentially just to maintain a linear rate of acceleration.

The Conservation Catch (The "Normal Matter" Problem)

There is another engineering quirk to consider: **you cannot create *only* antimatter.** Quantum mechanics dictates the conservation of baryon and lepton numbers. When you use high-energy lasers to create antimatter (like positrons or antiprotons), you must create an exactly equal amount of regular matter (electrons or protons). | Component | Destination | Effect on Ship Mass | |---|---|---| | **Antimatter** | Stored in magnetic traps | Increases rest mass | | **Regular Matter** | Option A: Stored alongside antimatter | **Doubles** the mass penalty | | **Regular Matter** | Option B: Expelled immediately as propellant | Offsets mass gain, provides extra thrust | If the crew stores both, they are doubling their mass problem. If they are smart, they will immediately vent the regular matter out the back of the ship as plasma thrust, using it as "free" reaction mass to help offset the sluggish acceleration caused by storing the antimatter.

Why would a starship do this?

While it looks like an engineering nightmare during the acceleration phase, this setup is actually a brilliant strategy for a specific problem: **Deceleration.** Space is a one-way trip if you can't slow down. If a ship relies entirely on a laser sail to accelerate, it can't use that same laser to slow down at the destination. By converting the laser's energy into antimatter during the first half of the trip, the ship is essentially acting as a moving battery. It tolerates poor acceleration on the way out so that it has a massive, self-generated stockpile of high-density antimatter fuel to burn for the deceleration phase when it reaches its target star system. What kind of magnetic containment or cooling infrastructure are you imagining to handle that sudden, massive influx of antimatter storage on the move?

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u/Last_Upstairs1020 — 18 hours ago

I was watching a children’s movie about the moon and the moonlight it reflects on earth and I was wondering if a lack of light at night would prevent life from developing. Imagine how difficult it would have been for ancient humans if there was no light at night from stars and the moon.

Feeding and keeping children safe and doing whatever they did regarding hygiene and toileting before they developed fire would be so difficult without and evening light sources

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If the Great Filter is indeed the answer to the fact that there seem to be no Kardashev III civilizations in our galaxy nor in the closest galaxies, what do you think it is? What makes them disappear before they reach to that state?

I think it is very important to ponder this question. I know we may be some of the first technological civilisations in our galaxy, and nothing yet rules out anything.

But as of right now, Kardashev III civilisations seem unlikely. Do you think it's just never worth it to reach such a state of noise at the galactic level, or is there something that's stopping everyone else from doing so?

Assuming the answer is a great filter(s), I believe we need to discuss this in case we may be able to save ourselves and become one of the very lucky civilisations to become an outlier and survive for longer than average.

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u/Due-Area9662 — 2 days ago
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AMERICA BABY!

Enjoy some Starfield builds flying the colors of my people. Happy 250th birthday America!!

u/Goin__Grizzly2 — 2 days ago

If the galaxy was remodeled into a “Super Galactic Dyson Swarm” how would it look?

Hello, hello, and welcome to my first post here on this subreddit. There are many things that fascinate me from Isaac Arthur’s channel and the ideas he proposes, but this one from his “Fleet of Stars” video really captured my attention. Fair warning, my post is a little long.

So much so, that it inspired me to create a new space opera series with a setting that reflects this shift from our typical Milky Way Galaxy to as he described, “a super galactic Dyson swarm”. Where the galaxy was remodeled by one of the few ancient advanced alien civilizations in the universe into “a billion planets, moons, and stars all artificially moved to orbit around the galaxy’s supermassive black hole” which has a custom Topopolis orbiting it serving as the literal center of intra-galactic civilization.

Of course, there will be a host of other megastructures at play, like conglomerates of networked space habitats, orbital rings, stellaser highway systems with laser relays, Cycler ships, shellworlds, and more. The core logic behind why the advanced aliens did this was to make our galaxy, along with many others inhabited by sapient life, more conducive for spacefaring civilizations by bringing things a little closer together.

Now, my big question is, after all this is done, what shape would the galaxy look like after the process is done? On top of that, how long would such a process take? What types of megastructures would play pivotal roles in making the galaxy this way? The ones that come to mind are possibly advanced Matrioshka brains linked to stellar engines with Dyson swarms around the Sun and other major stars. And what would need to be done to maintain this shape or continue to better optimize it?

Sorry for all the questions, I’m honestly very excited about this project.

Thank you for reading my post. Please share your thoughts, suggestions, and recommendations on how to iron this idea out. I’m no expert but I am willing to do the work. Keep it civil, and have a good day.

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u/Academic_Ad8989 — 1 day ago

Trying to find list of space propulsion methods

A while back i found this excellent comprehensive website outling every type of space propulsion in great detail (hard sci-fi) and I'm trying to find it again. Any of you know it or maybe another source?

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u/Frite222 — 3 days ago

Can an ecumenopolis/shell world with the power consumption greater than the incoming solar radiation, still largely maintain it's original temperature?

https://preview.redd.it/81wn8pc380bh1.png?width=1197&format=png&auto=webp&s=da6c1d382b4c7d2942b1b127c8f3f117871dda19

On the scale of a planet entirely covered with artificial structures (ecumenopolis/shell world), inhabiting a population of trillions, it might be necessary to carefully manage the heat.

Assuming a case where the total power requirement of the ecumenopolis is greater than the 173PW of power coming from the sun, what could they do to avoid cooking themselves? Undoubtedly, this power exchange has to happen on the highest layer of the ecumenopolis. For example, the sun-facing side might use high-efficiency solar panels to capture half of the incoming solar energy, to reduce load of fusion power plants, or otherwise, block out the sun entirely and use artificial lighting. And on the side away from the sun, the surface will switch to radiator mode, and that side of the planet will glow with an incandescent red.

Transporting energy across the planet is a lot easier than transporting heat across the planet. Does that mean heat-intensive facilities like power plants and factories can only operate at full power in the dark side to dissipate heat? On second thought - having a large temperature difference on the two sides of a planet is a really bad idea - it will create immensely strong winds that can harm the surface facilities and potentially make maintenance impossible too.

So... is that power consumption a hard limit, or are there other ways to bypass it?

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u/KerbodynamicX — 3 days ago

What will be the first kind of crewed ship to reach low relativistic speed (say 0.2c)?

What will come first: fusion, antimatter, beamriders, maybe even magsails or solar sails? Maybe something else? Which design would be cheapest?

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u/Human-Question6210 — 4 days ago
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If we're living in a computer simulation, what would happen if the computer running it became damaged or corrupted?

Let's assume the simulation hypothesis is true.

If the computer hosting our universe suffered hardware damage, memory corruption, or software errors, what would happen from our perspective?

Would we experience glitches in reality? Would physical laws start behaving inconsistently? Could the simulation simply crash and end instantly? Or would an advanced civilization have backups, redundancy, and error correction that would make corruption virtually impossible?

I'm curious whether there are any serious philosophical or computer science arguments about this, or if it's purely speculative.

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u/lucky_bsmith — 5 days ago