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Question to JWs: If only 144,000 people are able to enter heaven, how is your religion on of hope (in contrast to true christianity, which promises heaven to believers, not a human made limit).

How can anybody be a Jehovahs witness if they know their chance is ever so slight to get into heaven? How can one believe that the all-loving, all powerful God limits the space he has with his creation which he loves so much?

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u/Empty-Tie-8915 — 18 hours ago

Jesus

I felt jesus’ presence this morning when i woke up, and heard a sound of knocking on my door, when i got up and opened the entrance door i saw a strong light flashing me, then i heard a warm low voice speak to me saying “stop believing in institutions who only seek power to control you, the churches have wronged my memory” then i felt a kiss on my forehead, but nobody was there and it freaked me out but it also felt so peaceful at the same time, I’m certain it was no demon, what should i do? If jesus himself told me to stop attending.. maybe i should. Watch out, he manifested himself, the end is near.. or not, we got it wrong many times so i wouldn’t know..

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u/fucku_ufuckingfuck — 1 day ago

"The cup of jehovah "

In 1 Corinthians 8,6, St.Paul writes that there is only one God, the Father,and one Lord, Jesus Christ. In all his letters, St.Paul calls the Lord Jesus "kuploc" ( Lord) and " kuplov" (of the Lord). But why does he use the same term for Jehovah in 1 Corinthians 10,21? Why doesn't he use the Greek term for God the Father that he uses in other passages of his letters? Another question is this:why does Jesus say " my cup" and "my table" in Matthew 20,23 and Luke 22,30? Wouldn't it have been more correct to say the Father's cup? Did his words perhaps make Jehovah jealous?

u/One-League269 — 2 days ago
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Could AI and the Internet Fulfill Prophecies of Control in Revelation?

The internet is integral in most peoples lives around the world. It is conceivable that the 'Beast', the system of governances described in Revelation in the end times, identified by the number 666, will utilize AI and the 'www' for its reign over the global population. This is suggested in Revelation 13:15-18;

>15 "He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.”

Does World Wide Web 'www' = 666?

Originally the Bible was written in Hebrew;

"The Hebrew equivalent of our "w" is the letter "vav" or "waw". The numerical value of vav is 6. So the English "www" transliterated into Hebrew is "vav vav vav", which numerically is 666.” Is "www" in Hebrew equal to 666? Dial-the-Truth Ministries (av1611.org)

History Preceding the book of Revelation

This article explains many of the “natural signs, spiritual signs, sociological signs, technological signs, and political signs,” foretold in bible prophecy coming to pass that indicates the end of the age, a time foretold to include various and increasing environmental calamities, plagues, moral declinewars, growing governmental dominance/deception ("with all power, signs, and lying wonders," 2 Thessalonians 2:9), and how to prepare. Are we living in the end times? | GotQuestions.org

What is the end times timeline? | GotQuestions.org

How can I overcome my fear of the end of days? | GotQuestions.org

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16

Going to heaven-how can I guarantee my eternal destination?

More Bible prophecy fulfillments and resources for growing in faith and hope is in previous posts if interested.

u/understand-the-times — 2 days ago

I didn’t want to wake up. I was trying to make the questions stop.

I didn’t start questioning because I wanted to leave. I really didn’t. I was trying to find answers that would let me stay.

I was born into the organization and believed it was the truth for more than 50 years. I was an elder’s daughter, a pioneer, an elder’s wife, and I raised my children in it. It wasn’t just something I believed. It was pretty much my whole life.

When the questions started, I did what I had always been taught to do. I prayed, studied, went through the publications and tried to make it all fit.

It just didn’t anymore.

One question led to another, and when I finally let myself look outside the organization, I was shocked by how much I didn’t know. I had studied for years. I took it seriously. So how had I never learned any of this?

That wasn’t exciting or freeing at first. It was awful.

I couldn’t talk about it with the people I normally would have gone to. I knew what could happen if anyone found out what I was reading or even that I had questions. I started watching what I said and probably even the look on my face during meetings.

I don’t know if there was one moment when I “woke up.” For me, it happened slowly. It felt like losing everything a little at a time.

I lost the certainty that I knew what the future held. I had always believed I would see the people I had lost again. Then I had to face the possibility of losing living people too, simply because I no longer believed exactly what they believed.

I think one of the hardest parts was realizing I didn’t really know who I was outside of the organization.

I was nearly 60 years old asking myself what I actually believed, what I wanted and what mattered to me when someone else wasn’t deciding it for me.

I’m still working that out.

There are still days when I miss how certain I used to feel. But I can’t unknow what I know now, no matter how much easier that might make things.

For those of you who have gone through this, what was the hardest part? Was it losing your beliefs, losing people, or trying to figure out who you were afterward?

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u/JWRESEARCHERROSE — 3 days ago
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Os invito a conocer mi canal

Hola a todos,
Soy ex Testigo de Jehová durante más de 30 años, y desde hace un tiempo estoy compartiendo contenido en YouTube analizando la historia, doctrinas y cambios internos de la organización desde una perspectiva crítica e independiente.
No busco atacar a personas, sino entender y exponer información documentada que muchas veces dentro no se explica o se evita.
He creado un canal donde hablo de:
historia real de los Testigos de Jehová
cambios doctrinales a lo largo del tiempo
experiencias personales dentro del movimiento
análisis del control mental y estructura organizativa (modelo BITE)
y espacios para reflexionar sin censura
Si has salido, estás cuestionando, o simplemente quieres información basada en fuentes y experiencia, quizá te pueda interesar.
👉 Aquí está el canal:

https://youtube.com/@samuelolmedillasmora?si=2eTg\_ZeMo1BtfCSA

u/Sea_Guarantee2194 — 2 days ago

Thankfully, it just gets worse.

Interesting statistics from Australia, as we knew, the West has seen in real nett terms across the vast majority of countries a nett decrease every year since the turn of the century.

Now we have some real evidence from Australia that ‘people’ are leaving as when they do it only leaves the elderly ones.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/s/CxDqEnOVQk

This truly is ‘good news’.

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u/TerryLawton — 2 days ago
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Las profecias "infalibles" de la Biblia PT.1

Todos hemos leído las publicaciones de la Watchtower donde afirman que la Biblia es 100% exacta y usan profecías del Antiguo Testamento para "demostrarlo". Pero cuando aplicamos un poco de pensamiento crítico y revisamos tanto la historia secular como el propio texto bíblico, te das cuenta que todo es un castillo de arena.

​Hoy quiero mostrarles cómo la organización usa la atención selectiva, altera significados y hasta se contradice en sus propios párrafos para ocultar las profecías geográficas que simplemente fallaron.

​El Doble Rasero: Babilonia vs. Tiro

​A la Watchtower le encanta citar Isaías 13:19, 20 sobre Babilonia ("nunca más será habitada"). Lo usan como prueba irrefutable, ignorando convenientemente que la ciudad no fue destruida de un plumazo (como predecía el texto al compararla con Sodoma), sino que siguió habitada durante siglos y decayó lentamente como cualquier ciudad antigua.

"Y Babilonia, la decoración de reinos... tiene que llegar a ser como cuando Dios derribó a Sodoma y Gomorra. Nunca será habitada, ni residirá por generación tras generación."

​Lo usan constantemente como prueba irrefutable de la inerrancia bíblica. Te dicen que Dios predijo su caída ante los medos y persas, y que quedó desolada.

​La Realidad: Isaías comparó la caída de Babilonia con Sodoma y Gomorra (un evento catastrófico e instantáneo). Sin embargo, cuando Ciro el Grande conquistó Babilonia en el 539 a.C., la ciudad no fue destruida. Todo lo contrario: siguió floreciendo. Alejandro Magno incluso quiso hacerla su capital.

​La despoblación de Babilonia fue un proceso gradual por desgaste económico y cambio de rutas comerciales que tomó siglos. ¡En el siglo I (cientos de años después de la profecía), Babilonia seguía tan habitada que tenía una enorme comunidad judía y cristiana! Pedro incluso manda saludos desde allí (1 Pedro 5:13). Babilonia quedó en ruinas como casi cualquier otra capital del mundo antiguo, no por un fuego divino instantáneo.

​ ¿qué pasa cuando la geografía no les favorece? Hablemos de Tiro.

​En Ezequiel 26:14, Dios profetiza contra la ciudad de Tiro:

​"Te pondré como una peña lisa, y serás un tendedero de redes. Nunca más serás edificada, porque yo Jehová he hablado..."

​La Realidad: Tiro no solo fue reconstruida, sino que en el siglo I era un puerto comercial bullicioso. ¡El propio Nuevo Testamento dice que Jesús la visitó (Mateo 15:21) y que el apóstol Pablo durmió allí 7 días (Hechos 21:3-4)! Hoy en día, Tiro (Sur, en Líbano) tiene más de 130,000 habitantes.

​El truco apologético de la Watchtower:

Lean cómo la organización manipula esto en el libro “Toda Escritura” (Estudio 26, párr. 4) y en la ¡Despertad! del 8 de marzo de 1981 (págs. 17-19).

Te cuentan con lujo de detalle cómo Alejandro Magno tiró piedras al mar para construir un terraplén y cumplir la parte de "raspar el polvo". Pero, misteriosamente, jamás citan la frase "Nunca más serás edificada".

En la Despertad!, admiten en el primer párrafo que la ciudad existe y dicen: "Se calcula que su población es de menos de 20.000 personas". ¿Cómo explican que una profecía de aniquilación total resulte en una ciudad poblada? Redefiniendo el texto: dicen que Tiro simplemente "perdió su antigua gloria".

​El "Premio de Consolación": Cuando el propio profeta admite su error

​Si creen que lo de Tiro termina ahí, agárrense. En Ezequiel 26 se profetizaba que Nabucodonosor arrasaría Tiro y se llevaría todas sus riquezas. Pero unos 15 años después, ¡el propio Ezequiel tiene que admitir que eso no pasó!

​En Ezequiel 29:18-20, el profeta escribe:

​"Nabucodonosor... no obtuvo de Tiro salario alguno por el servicio que prestó contra ella... Por tanto, así ha dicho Jehová el Señor: He aquí que yo doy a Nabucodonosor... la tierra de Egipto; y él se llevará sus riquezas..."

​Como la profecía de Tiro falló y Nabucodonosor no logró el botín esperado tras 13 años de asedio, Dios le ofrece Egipto como "premio de consolación". ¿Y saben qué es lo peor? ¡Que la historia secular y la arqueología demuestran que Nabucodonosor TAMPOCO pudo conquistar Egipto! Fue un doble fallo que la literatura de la WT jamás conecta en sus análisis.

La ciudad que se negó a desaparecer: Damasco

​Otro caso flagrante que prefieren ocultar bajo la alfombra es el de la capital de Siria, Damasco. En Isaías 17:1-2, el profeta lanza esta sentencia definitiva:

​"He aquí que Damasco dejará de ser ciudad, y será montón de ruinas. [...] se convertirán en majadas..."

​La Realidad: Damasco no solo no dejó de ser ciudad, sino que ostenta el título de ser una de las ciudades habitadas de forma continua más antiguas de la humanidad. Ha estado poblada sin interrupción durante miles de años y hoy es una metrópolis vibrante con millones de habitantes.

​El truco apologético:

Como no pueden apuntar a ruinas abandonadas en el desierto, la estrategia aquí es el silencio absoluto o argumentar que se cumplió "parcialmente" con un ataque asirio, ignorando que el texto exigía que dejara de ser ciudad para siempre.

El Autogol Monumental de Edom

​El caso de Edom (Isaías 34:9-15) es quizás el error editorial más vergonzoso en la literatura reciente de la WT. Isaías profetizó que Edom se volvería un pozo de brea y azufre ardiente, que su humo subiría "para siempre" y que:

​"De generación en generación quedará abrasada; para siempre jamás, nadie irá pasando por ella... será habitada solo por chacales y avestruces".

​El truco apologético de la Watchtower:

En el libro Las profecías de Isaías, volumen I (Capítulo 26, párrafos 14-17), hacen tres acrobacias ridículas:

​Mueven la portería: Como Edom no está ardiendo hoy, dicen que la profecía en realidad aplica a "la Cristiandad".

​Espiritualizan el texto: Como no hay humo físico, el párrafo 15 dice: "Puesto que los cristianos actuales aprendemos lecciones de la destrucción de Edom, en cierto sentido es como si el humo [...] siguiera ascendiendo".

​La contradicción en la nota al pie: En los párrafos 16 y 17 aseguran con firmeza que la tierra quedó "vacía" y que "nadie pasará por ella". ¡Pero miren lo que dice la nota al pie de página (a) en esa misma sección!

​"posteriormente, otro pueblo, el de los nabateos, tomó posesión de lo que había sido la tierra de Edom".

​¡Se dispararon en el pie! Si los nabateos construyeron allí la famosa ciudad de Petra (la ruta de caravanas más transitada de la antigüedad), entonces SÍ fue habitada por humanos y millones de personas SÍ pasaron por ella.

Si la profecía parece cumplirse, es literal e inerrante. Si la profecía falla, entonces es "simbólica", aplica a la cristiandad, o se justifica con metáforas. Y si el texto choca directamente con la realidad, simplemente lo editan y no lo publican.

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u/Square-Bet4162 — 2 days ago
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Is the org creating its own versions of AI?

Has anyone heard anything on this? I have a feeling with the fast paced adopting of everything ai the org will have to get out in front and have an Ai model they can control.
They would need to control answers Related to creation, the bible, the GB, past predictions and the organization. Realistically I’m not sure they can as LLM’s use to much global Learning to have any form of control.
Can they actually get out in front of this? as we saw in the latest watchtowers they are basically telling everyone to NOT use Ai for anything related to the bible or the org.
What’s the most likely outcome. can they create a JW ai with Gaurd rails and false information?

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u/newswatcher-2538 — 3 days ago
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Jehovah’s Witness practice TRUE Christianity

Hear me out. They will go to prison and even die bc of their integrity and love for each other. They’re the only ones preaching all over the world like Jesus commanded. They’re the only ones using God’s name. I feel that the love and unity they have is key in recognizing true Christianity. While some of their beliefs are controversial, there is always a logical and biblical explanation. They’ve answered all of my questions reasonably and back it up with the bible. They are the only Christian denomination that is widely hated, slandered and ridiculed, which is what Jesus said would happen to his true followers. They are kind, honest and hardworking people. And while the lifestyle and living up to the bible’s standards is not for everyone, I think that anyone seeking bible truth should be open to having frank conversations with them. I want to be one of them but because of my personal issues I am unable to live that life of sacrifice and truly put god first. I’m not trying to ruffle any feathers just my opinion that’s been shaped by true experiences with them.

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u/AmbitiousReindeer171 — 4 days ago
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Aug 16 WT par 17: Why say “God’s organization might make decisions we do not fully understand” instead of simply saying the Governing Body made the decision?

We live in critical times that are hard to deal with, so these last days will be difficult for all of us. (2 Tim. 3:1, 13) We may face other challenging situations. God’s organization might make decisions that we do not fully understand. Or we might feel misunderstood or hurt by a brother or a sister. We might not immediately see a solution to our problem, or we might not get an answer to whatever it is that has affected us.”

“God’s organization might make decisions that we do not fully understand.”

This particular wording caught my attention because we know that congregations, elders, ministerial servants, publishers, pioneers, missionaries, Bethel family members, and others aren’t collectively sitting down and making these organizational decisions. The Governing Body is.

It’s really interesting the word play they use to maintain ambiguity.

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u/Legal-Ad7201 — 3 days ago

Is the org creating its own versions of AI?

Has anyone heard anything on this? I have a feeling with the fast paced adopting of everything ai the org will have to get out in front and have an Ai model they can control.
They would need to control answers Related to creation, the bible, the GB, past predictions and the organization. Realistically I’m not sure they can as LLM’s use to much global Learning to have any form of control.
Can they actually get out in front of this? as we saw in the latest watchtowers they are basically telling everyone to NOT use Ai for anything related to the bible or the org.
What’s the most likely outcome. can they create a JW ai with Gaurd rails and false information?

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u/newswatcher-2538 — 3 days ago
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Watchtowerwayback returns

Why is that website important ?

That site contains Watchtower publications in French and in English, in PDF format, from the beginnings of the cult until 2014-2017 . There are books, brochures,magazines,official letters,.... . Since Watchtower is gradually hiding its past writing , it's crucial to get access and share those "old lights".

What's the context ?

The site was blocked for weeks probably because the administrators had to fix or renew something. It happens regularly and ,as usual, some people fear that Watchtower may have taken the site down.

The website has been restaured during the week end.

Alleluia ! Nothing missing and nothing added.

What should be done ?

That site has not been updated until 2017 and it will not last forever.The administrators could give up on it in the future or Watchtower may try to shut it down for good. So if you can and are interested, try to download all the site and store any publication/video since 2017.

Yes, the task is not for everyone but it could benefit many people. I'm working on an updated french archive.

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u/jwrogue1914 — 3 days ago

JW "Logic" Summed Up in 2 Verses

Revelation 7:15 — "For this reason they are before the throne of God and worship him day and night within his temple, and the one who is seated on the throne will shelter them."

​This verse depicts the Great Crowd who, according to JWs, are destined to eternal life on earth.

​The problem with this interpretation is that the verse explicitly states they 1) are before the throne of God and 2) serve Him from within His temple (naos), both of which are in heaven. ​Yet JW "logic" says they are on the earth.

Revelation 14:1 — "Then I looked, and there was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion! And with him were one hundred forty-four thousand who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads."

​This verse describes the 144,000 who, according to JW doctrine, are destined to eternal life in heaven. ​However, the text depicts them on Mount Zion, which is a physical, literal geographic location on the earth.

​So in both instances, the JW interpretation requires the reader to believe the exact opposite of what the text plainly says on the surface:

  • ​Rev 7:15: Placed in the heavenly temple ➡️ JWs say they are on Earth.
  • Rev 14:1: Placed on an earthly mountain ➡️ JWs say they are in Heaven.

#####The logic?

Because, that's why.

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u/OhioPIMO — 4 days ago

I’m shocked, what JW’s teach about Timothy is not in the Bible

Growing up as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, I remember hearing the story of Timothy used over and over again in Watchtowers, talks, assemblies, conventions, and Bible discussions. The way I remember it, Timothy had a Greek father who apparently had a different religious outlook, while his Jewish mother and grandmother were believers. Timothy supposedly had the opportunity to pursue higher education and a worldly career, perhaps with his father, but instead chose to stay focused on spiritual things and serving Jehovah. I genuinely believed this was a story that was actually in the Bible. But recently I went back and read the account for myself, and I was shocked to discover that the Bible does not actually say any of that. Acts tells us that Timothy had a Jewish mother who was a believer and a Greek father. We’re told that his mother and grandmother taught him the Scriptures from childhood. We’re also told that Timothy eventually became a coworker of Paul.

But there is no account of Timothy being offered higher education. Nothing says his father wanted him to pursue a career or go to school. Nothing says Timothy had to choose between his father’s plans and serving God. And nothing says he chose his mother’s spiritual path over higher education. Those details appear to have been added as an interpretation/application in Watchtower literature. I’ve even found Watchtower material saying Timothy’s father “may have” urged him to pursue higher education and a worldly career. That “may have” is obviously different from saying the Bible actually tells us this happened. But when you hear the story repeatedly for years in publications, talks, assemblies, conventions, etc. it becomes incredibly easy to associate the whole narrative with the Bible itself.

And that's what has really shocked me. I’m not even sure why this never stood out to me while I was a Witness. I was so certain that this was part of Timothy’s actual Bible story that I never thought to question where those details came from.

Did anyone else have the same experience? Did you grow up believing that Timothy had the opportunity to pursue higher education/worldly success but chose spiritual goals instead, and only later discover that the Bible itself never actually says this? I’d really like to know if this was a common experience among other ex-JWs, or if this was just something I somehow internalized over the years.

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u/Extreme_Influence977 — 4 days ago
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The Unchosen on Netflix has undeniable parallels with the JW organization.

If you’re on Netflix, I really recommend watching Unchosen. 👀

I couldn’t help but notice some very strong parallels with the organization and the way things can operate within a high-control religious environment/cult!!

And honestly… I was FUMING. There were moments when I had to pause because the parallels were just too much.

Don’t want to give away any spoilers, though. Watch it first, and then come back and tell me what you noticed.

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u/Legal-Ad7201 — 4 days ago
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My Liverpool convention has taken a nasty turn!

Sandwichson is making a special appearance! (Pic in the comments). I was happily listening to Spotify when his ugly porky mug appeared on the screen! I nearly vomited my lovingly-prepared lunch! The man is red as a lobster (holiday in the sun or incoming heart failure!) and sitting down and with his obligatory shouting tone!

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u/Overall-Listen-4183 — 6 days ago

The lies about women

Back in the 1990s my mom warned me about women in the workplace and how they loved to fornicate, and seduce men away from their wives. She made it seem that they would be throwing themselves at me all day long as Satan’s test.
Yeah….. that has never happened. Still waiting lol

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u/Fair-Research248 — 5 days ago